Author Topic: So You Want To Be The Townest Mafia (Thread 1) (Read 127968 times)

ActionDan · « **Reply #450 on:** April 04, 2012, 05:47:21 AM »

Quote from: ActionDan on April 04, 2012, 03:02:22 AM

I'll address LLD more directly in a bit.

Actually Sleep for a few hours I will.

Dormio Ergo Sum · « **Reply #451 on:** April 04, 2012, 06:38:22 AM »

Quote from: Affinity on April 04, 2012, 04:12:46 AM

(he's not reading the many posts on why his case is bad)

I'm not getting this. Can someone why my case is bad to me?

BT · « **Reply #452 on:** April 04, 2012, 07:37:41 AM »

It's like every time I think I'm on the ball it's just some SILLY other thing making me feel reassured.

I need to reread. Again.

@Above

It's because most of the things on your list aren't necessarily scummy. Or MAY be scummy but lack examples since they're case-by-case.

You're also accusing me of saying your Dan case is bad --> scummy! although I'm not even the only one doing this. ?_?

Off to rereading.

BT · « **Reply #453 on:** April 04, 2012, 07:39:08 AM »

Oh yeah, one more thing.

K4U, his case is "he did this but he ACTUALLY did THAT" in its entirety. I don't even know how to start replying to that.

Shadoweh · « **Reply #454 on:** April 04, 2012, 11:08:19 AM »

Three, Then You Open The Fourteenth Votecount!

Affinity (1): Serela
Action Dan (4): Lady Lambdadelta, Dormio, capt.h, Dorian G.
I have no name (1): Dr. Rawr
BT (2): Chaore, Omba
Dorian G. (4): Conqueror, I have no name, Kitten4u, Affinity
Chaore: (1): BT
Mr. Bob (1): Action Dan
Dormio (0):
capt.h (0) :
Kitten4u (0):
Dr. Rawr (0):
Omba (0):
Serela (0):
Conqueror (0):
Lady Lambdadelta (0):

Not voting: Mr. Bob

With 15 alive, it takes 8 to lynch.
There are 9 hours remaining. Or you can hammer faster!
REMEMBER, NO MAJORITY = RANDOM LYNCH
Day End Countdown

BT · « **Reply #455 on:** April 04, 2012, 11:43:32 AM »

So.

The wagons are still bad.

Dorian is lazy, not confident town and Dan is lazy, confused town. People on their wagons are either scum or lazy / misled town.

9 hours left to form a decent counterwagon.

LLD is scum. Looking back my case on Chaore is as opinionated and objective as his case on me so I pretty much delegate it to gut. Would still lynch.

##Unvote
##Vote LLD

Serela is lurking, would honestly not mind a lynch at this point. I don't know why but I'm getting the same coasting vibes from IHNN, would not mind his lynch either.

Point is a counterwagon needs to happen since at least half the town is tunneling on a guy w/ bad or lacking cases (I'm referring to pretty much every non-scum on the Dan and Dorian wagons) and due to this a townie is probably going to get lynched today.

To get your attention:

Dormio, capt.h, Dorian G., Conqueror, I have no name, Kitten4u, Affinity

I literally cannot remember even one of you with a combination of both a semi-convincing case and matching conviction behind it.

So, counterwagon please.

I have no name · « **Reply #456 on:** April 04, 2012, 11:53:05 AM »

ok, back from my classes/ group meetings/crashing after being awake 24+ hours.

I'm not trying to coast, honestly I would have given some input 14 hours ago but I was physically and mentally drained. Day ends in what, 8 hours? I should be around then but I have a group project due tomorrow that we need to work on today, so depending on when we do that I'll either be around or missing at the day's end. Stinks, but hey, that's life.

Counterwagon off Dorian/Dan: I still would like to see Mr. Bob lynched, and if my case didn't convince you then there's nothing I can do to convince you because I can't think of anything to add to my case on him. There was conviction behind my vote on him as well, I switched off because I realized (at the time) no one else agreed he was scummy.

Mr_Bob · « **Reply #457 on:** April 04, 2012, 12:15:15 PM »

Been self destructing a lot of my thoughts because I can see it either way.
Therefore, I didn't really have much to post.
So I do apologize for adding needless frustration and looking like I'm not playing. Truly.

@Omba: Re: NoName vs LLD: Unfortunately that also means they could be townies (but don't know it).

Are people still clearing Rawr for early D1 when he was asking for the box?
Could just be Rawr curious about the box, and asking to have it for laughs.
(Very off-chance but is there such a thing as bomb disposal role in mafia?)
Could be scum wanting the shiny to distract and confuse town (scum would know who to pass it to).
Clearing Rawr off of a null shouldn't be happening.

I'm with K4 and Conq in that Dorian shouldn't have outed the role for reactions.
It opens him up to (possible) TP reprecussions, and it's hard to prove because (as Dorian himself says) there are situations where there may not be results.
This can potentially allow Dorian to lie, a lot.
But also as Chaore said, town can be weird.

I'm also trusting Affinity in his judgement of the BT-Chaore debacle.
Specifically setting my alarm to not sleep past hammer.

Cut by BT: I don't disagree with an LLD lynch; her case begins with nailing Dan for bad plays, then allows others to elaborate on the case.
I see her (and Serela's and Dormio's) points, but isn't lynching someone for bad play, bad play? If it's on purpose, that's scummy.

BT · « **Reply #458 on:** April 04, 2012, 12:21:27 PM »

If you're going to vote sometime today, start now.

IHNN, I read your Bob case from way back again and I'm not seeing anything aside from "I dislike him because he wants to do stuff with the box I don't agree with and he's posting stuff I can see on my own". The first point is ?_? and does the second point still stand currently?

Who would you lynch aside from Dorian and Bob? I recall you said you thought Dan was scum but now you're wishy-washy.

I have no name · « **Reply #459 on:** April 04, 2012, 12:27:01 PM »

As of his most recent post he's cleared himself a bit, the early play still sticks out in my mind but at least he's playing now.

The other stuff I said about Bob was his lack of a vote, but considering he hasn't voted at all yet I'm beginning to think there's a role-related reason for it. The first reason you gave was 'that I don't agree with it', but I thought what he wanted to do with it was scummy.

Dan was townie then scummy then townie and so my reaction to that is now

because I don't know what to think.

Aside from Dorian and Bob, everyone else is either town or could go either way.

Lexicat · « **Reply #460 on:** April 04, 2012, 12:33:27 PM »

Right, so.

Lynches that are happening today: Dan.

Scum are trying desperately to throw their votes around and confuse the town to ensure a random lynch (which by the by is both silly and scum sided).

A random lynch is the WORST POSSIBLE OUTCOME FOR THE TOWN.

So all townies should band together under the Lambdadelta flag, and lynch Dan.

Don't make me say it in Red.

BTW, Re: People voting BT: I promise you he won't go ignored if you lynch Dan today. He needs to die.

Re: People lynching Bob: Stop that nonsense. He's for the vigs to handle, and if there are no vigs, THEN we lynch him. But we're lynching obvscum Dan over him today.

Re: People lynching Dorian: Stop that right now.

Lexicat · « **Reply #461 on:** April 04, 2012, 12:34:37 PM »

Quote from: BT on April 04, 2012, 11:43:32 AM

So.

The wagons are still bad.

Dorian is lazy, not confident town and Dan is lazy, confused town. People on their wagons are either scum or lazy / misled town.

9 hours left to form a decent counterwagon.

LLD is scum. Looking back my case on Chaore is as opinionated and objective as his case on me so I pretty much delegate it to gut. Would still lynch.

##Unvote
##Vote LLD

Serela is lurking, would honestly not mind a lynch at this point. I don't know why but I'm getting the same coasting vibes from IHNN, would not mind his lynch either.

Point is a counterwagon needs to happen since at least half the town is tunneling on a guy w/ bad or lacking cases (I'm referring to pretty much every non-scum on the Dan and Dorian wagons) and due to this a townie is probably going to get lynched today.

To get your attention:

Dormio, capt.h, Dorian G., Conqueror, I have no name, Kitten4u, Affinity

I literally cannot remember even one of you with a combination of both a semi-convincing case and matching conviction behind it.

So, counterwagon please.

This is a scum claim, by the by. Trying to start a new wagon with 9 hours left is tantamount to saying "Let's see if I can't get that Random Lynch to happen!?!!?!"

Scum.

Lexicat · « **Reply #462 on:** April 04, 2012, 12:36:34 PM »

LAST THING:

When have I ever suggested lynching someone for bad play?

The people who need to die for bad play are getting shot by any vigs that exist, See: Bob.

Dan is being lynched for SCUMMY play.

This misrepresentation of my case on Dan is being created by scum to avoid a crippling Day 1 scum lynch.

BT · « **Reply #463 on:** April 04, 2012, 12:42:19 PM »

Uh, no.

A lynch can and will happen because half the players aren't even sure about their votes. I'll start a new wagon if I think all the wagons are on town, especially if a different lynch CAN happen.

Dan is being lynched for bad play, which people are spinning as scummy play.

Your case in specific is horrible and spins circumstantial stuff into scumtells.

Lexicat · « **Reply #464 on:** April 04, 2012, 12:50:04 PM »

Quote from: BT on April 04, 2012, 12:42:19 PM

Uh, no.

A lynch can and will happen because half the players aren't even sure about their votes. I'll start a new wagon if I think all the wagons are on town, especially if a different lynch CAN happen.

Dan is being lynched for bad play, which people are spinning as scummy play.

Your case in specific is horrible and spins circumstantial stuff into scumtells.

Substantiate your claim. Now.

Show me exactly where he is being lynched for Bad Play.

Show me what points I have provided that are Bad Play instead of Scummy Play.

Because right now you're grasping at air, making marginal claims that are basically false, but you refuse to provide the evidence for people to prove them false.

In other words, you're trying to engage in a pissing match. I won't do it. Substantiate your claims or die.

Also: You're saying you have SOLID IMMUTABLE town reads on Bob, Affinity, Dan, Dorian, and IHNN?

PAAAAAAAANCAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAKES

BT · « **Reply #465 on:** April 04, 2012, 12:52:21 PM »

I never mentioned SOLID IMMUTABLE town reads.

Dan and Dorian are SOLID IMMUTABLE town.

Bob and Affinity are town.

I expressed dislike of IHNN a few hours ago but the recent exchange is making me feel better about him.

Substantiating in a bit.

BT · « **Reply #466 on:** April 04, 2012, 01:02:22 PM »

Let's start with the very best.

#289

Quote from: Lady Lambdadelta on April 02, 2012, 10:19:31 PM

However, your misguided actions have done well in netting me some nice reads. Dan is pretty much conf. scum for deciding that I was a scum read mere minutes after BT votes me. He couldn't express this read earlier because....? There's no good answer to that question. Dan in pretty scum.

I'll say it again - this comes from nowhere. Dan was away, Dan comes back with a LLD scum read an hour after I post my vote, this is OBVIOUSLY the conclusion town should jump to. And by that, I see no way you are town and jumped to this conclusion at the same time. Waaay too much exaggeration.

Also, that Dormio vote is really off base considering he has BARELY TALKED ABOUT DORMIO EITHER. I honestly don't know where Dan is getting his reads from, except that I do.

Dan is scum.

Let's assume you meant that Dan is OMGUSing. This is bad play at worst. Either way, you tag this along in a way that screams "I need to make my case better".

And that's it.

Yeah.

Probably lacking in words now.

BT · « **Reply #467 on:** April 04, 2012, 01:04:55 PM »

And if you're even going to argue that this was merely an add-on to your EEEED1 case, that one was nitpicky at best looking back. "His RVS vote is bad because STATISTICS and HOLY DAMN HE SAID HE'S NERVOUS FOR NO REASON, plus he said stuff about the box that other people said later and obviously only Dan is guilty of this."

I have no name · « **Reply #468 on:** April 04, 2012, 01:13:17 PM »

Quote from: BT on April 04, 2012, 01:02:22 PM

Probably lacking in words now.

If you have more to say say it.

Lexicat · « **Reply #469 on:** April 04, 2012, 01:21:22 PM »

Nice Misrepresentation, BT.

No, that isn't saying Dan is OMGUSing. It's saying he's not getting his reads organically, like a townie should.

He's manufacturing them. Shipping them in.

In other words, he's not hunting scum because he IS scum. That is what that post is saying.

Which, BY THE BY, is a SCUM PLAY and not a BAD PLAY.

So you're disproven on one account. Would you like to try again? I mean, all you're doing is locking up your status as scum.

BT · « **Reply #470 on:** April 04, 2012, 01:26:47 PM »

Quote from: Lady Lambdadelta on April 04, 2012, 12:50:04 PM

Show me what points I have provided that are Bad Play instead of Scummy Play.

Your points are plain bad. Now for people that actually do this:

#398

Quote from: Ran Yakumo on April 03, 2012, 09:46:12 PM

Well, not my fault if you don't find the following to be scummy.
Not doing any scumhunting early game, content to provide two town reads and leave it at that whilst talking about the box. Note that he didn't even talk about the box much, though that may be due to a lack of activity in general.
A lack of activity in general.
Expressing willingness to kill Affinity for no reason.
Later trying to deny that this ever happened.
OMGUS voting myself and suspecting LLD for the same reason.
Using the fact that I didn't have a case three hours into the game as a legitimate point against me.
Using this very same point as a reason to defend himself.
Not to mention the thing that someone brought up about how I'm scum for voting him over the whole Affinity thing but the others aren't.

"Not scumhunting" is the only valid point here and I have yet to see why this makes dan Scum!Dan in particular and not LazyMisguided!Dan.
Everything else is "he did something dumb = he did something scummy" fsr.

#Everywhere (capt.h)

The things that stand out are "OMGUS", which again seems more like bad play, and "he's lurking", which is actually the only point I am completely fine with out of everything in this thread. Probably the best case out of this clusterfuck.

@LLDcut: If you want to EXPLAIN why they're manufactured, do so now. You're the one that wanted me to substantiate, no?

I'll try and parse Dorian's case again.

capt. h · « **Reply #471 on:** April 04, 2012, 01:33:45 PM »

UnyAAAAAAA

BOB, right now your vote is telling me that you think RANDOM CHANCE is the best way to determine the lynch. PUT YOU CANDYFLOSSING VOTE DOWN.

BT - Dan is scum because first he opens with a fairly awful start of day 1, and then he spends the latter part of the day voting Dormio because Dormio voted him for being awful 3 hours into day 1, while trying to justify how Dormio should have known his awfulness was townie awfulness. His cases have been purely defensive, and he barely ever says anything about people that aren't voting him. Even his Bob case (his current vote) seems to be gut rather than justified, and frankly Bob is an easy vote park because it doesn't require justification >_>

Although I would like to know why he isn't voting Dorian in Not Me Over Me.

Lexicat · « **Reply #472 on:** April 04, 2012, 01:38:19 PM »

I do believe I explained why they were manufactured.

The copying and buddying of your poor case, followed by the out of nowhere unsubstantiated and misguided "cases" on me and Dorian are enough for me to be certain he manufactured them as a method of survival rather than out of actual scumhunting.

Lexicat · « **Reply #473 on:** April 04, 2012, 01:39:03 PM »

In other words, you're just stretching now BT. You've got absolutely nothing.

BT · « **Reply #474 on:** April 04, 2012, 02:01:53 PM »

...

...

>.>

I'm going to reread this one last time.

Kitten4u · « **Reply #475 on:** April 04, 2012, 02:17:18 PM »

BT, what are you talking about? I'm pretty happy with my vote right now. I was a little unsure right after the claim because I admit that anti-cult vig is a weird thing for scum to claim, but all the circumstances surrounding it and all the circumstances regarding everything else he's done points to scum. I don't think I've been this confident with a case on D1 in quite a long time. I don't buy that as town he would out his role like that, increase the odds of getting recruited if there is a cult, just for reaction fishing, which he has said is a bad strategy in the past. It doesn't smell right.

Thus I find him more likely to flip scum than Dan.

BT · « **Reply #476 on:** April 04, 2012, 02:21:14 PM »

Okay, no.

Those cases actually made me look back and read his posts.

I actually read them TWICE.

But I do NOT see MethodofSurvival!Dan AT ALL.

He clearly states what he thinks. I don't see anything artificial or something that shouldn't have been there. He's town.

K4U, what happens if the Dan wagon outnumbers the Dorian wagon?

Kitten4u · « **Reply #477 on:** April 04, 2012, 02:23:47 PM »

I'll be here before the deadline. I can switch if I absolutely have to.

Kitten4u · « **Reply #478 on:** April 04, 2012, 02:49:19 PM »

Hm, yeah, thinking...

LLD, if you're still here can you restate the case on Dan? Can you also state why scum!Dan would be more willing to let a third party live than town!Dan? Especially when that person is a viable counterwagon?

Kitten4u · « **Reply #479 on:** April 04, 2012, 03:09:44 PM »

scratch the restate the case part. I'm dumb and can't read. Would still like an an answer to the second question though.