So You Want To Be The Townest Mafia (Thread 1)

[Kitten4u]

but I worry that inevitably there will be something like 3 wagons tied at 3-4 votes a piece and that would be incredibly annoying.

What's the problem here?  Further, how would having a different votecount change this at all?

For someone claiming he wants to use the bomb as a second lynch you have all this really backwards.  We're voting with intent to lynch still and we'll have 48 hours after it explodes to look at the wagons.  I don't see the advantage in not using actual votes.

Why do you want Affinity to die?

[Serela]

This vote count that I am proposing is going to be for the person who actually holds the bomb at the end of the timer.

same complaint, replace "town" with "scum", still horrible

[Kitten4u]

Oh, I forgot to say this.  Don't put anyone to L-1 under any circumstances before the bomb goes off.  We don't want scum self-hammering cutting the day short.

[Dr Rawr]

##Unvote
##Vote: Serela

No regrets on putting this out there because I'm extremely doubtful scum will want to chance holding it when time runs out (Because HEY GUESS WHAT, even if it might not be a bomb, if you were scum would you take the risk and hold it?), but hey maybe they'll not be around.

No, because Rawr wants to take the box and keep it. And since it's Rawr I can believe that he would.

Anyway Rawr has barely done anything but beg for the box all game, I think it's silly that several people have a big town read on him. It's possible he's just scum that wants to ensure they get to choose who dies at the deadline, because he can get away with doing something silly like this.

sup? Am i scum or not?

[Affinity]

Minoriko is mine and no one else's, since the only townie I know is me.  I will decide what to do with it alone.  Also,

Making the chance it ever lands in scum hands as small as possible is the best way, because they can definitely use it to their advantage and totally get away with it.

We want it on town, is Affinity's confirmation post so ~*~MAGICAL~*~ that he's more town then anyone here?

##Vote: Serela

I see a contradiction in the above two quotes, which could amount to a slip.  You seem to forget that I'm holding the box.  If you think I'm town, then I should clearly hold on to the box because of the first quote, but then by the second quote you don't like me holding on to the box.  Using the latter as a reason to vote for someone is thus suspect.

And yes, I repeat the calls to Omba, rawr, and IHNM to start doing things the traditional way.

[Dr Rawr]

So you have no intention of giving me the Box?

[Omba]

Kitten4U: Why yes, I have.

I would prefer capt.h to keep it safe and sound until that point.  I don't have any outstanding negative feelings about anyone so far so affinity to me is as good as any.

How does capt. h come into this, given that you voted for Affinity to hold the box?

Other than that, I see Dan being Dan and people voting him for it.

I have no name: Why specifically BT? There's plenty of people that have pretty much only talked about the box or haven't said anything at all yet. Why only ask him? For that matter, he actually has a vote on someone for a read not directly related to the box, yet you've said nothing about what you think of that read.

##Unvote
##Vote: I have no name

Speaking of reads.
Conqueror: Is your vote on me a RV, or related to the box stuff you talked about before your vote?

[I have no name]

Why BT specifically?  because questioning has to start somewhere, and I don't want to give anyone a true free pass.  So I'm asking, in alphabetical order of names of active players, people questions.  That put BT first. 
That said, standing by rawr and Serela still being town, although Serela slightly less after the slip-up.
Affinity, you say to stop using the box as a voting reason/replacement for scumhunting and yet vote...because of box reactions?  If reactions are fair game then that's fine, but without that clarification it comes off as slightly hypocritical.

[ActionDan]

@K4U, serela.

I said I have no outstanding negative feelings about anyone.  I went for affinity for the 'box vote' on a whim (and yes, his not posting just made me feel that I was justified to vote for him.)

K4U, the problem is at the 48 hour mark with the bomb set to go off, there is likely to be no concenus about who to give the bomb to if there is 3-4 wagons with 3-4 votes.   I was thinking the 2nd votecount would serve as a stimulus for actually getting a majority mock lynch at 48 hours or less.  It's a bit more nuanced with an actual Votecount because no one can actually hammer etc.

cuts. 

@Omba. that "box vote" was gonna be for the person who gets blown up in the face.  'until that point' refers to a point in time wherein the boxkeeper would pass off the box to the person that the town designated as the person who would be blown up.

I'm going to concentrate more.  I haven't been thinking deeply.

[Serela]

It seems like coming back to mafia and seeing nonsensical votes on myself is standard now.

Rawr did you like completely ignore the line after one of those quotes where I say something along the lines of "I have a null read on rawr, not trying to argue that he's scum, it's just that I don't think there's any reason to be giving him a town pass like several people are"?

Affinity:What the flying fairy do you even know how to logic

Okay, answer number one. WHEN DID I EVER SAY YOU WERE TOOOOWN THIS NEVER HAPPENED YOU HAVEN'T EVEN POSTED UNTIL JUST NOW. tears forever ;_;

I never specifically said I don't want you holding onto the box either. You never posted so I was never able to evaluate how I felt about it. I simply held issue with ActionDan specifically wanting you to keep holding it, because it seemed that he found you to be the best choice despite the fact that you don't done a single thing for us to judge you by at all. Even now that it turned out he felt the opposite, it's still bad, because he's saying his preferred choice out of everyone in the game to die is someone who hadn't even posted yet WHICH SENSE DOES MAKE NOT

In your next post I expect you to move your vote somewhere else or explain a case on me that actually makes sense because that one right there just doesn't, at all. You also attack my vote on ActionDan, suggesting that it... isn't scummy for someone's preferred townie read or preferred scum read to be someone who hasn't gotten to post in the game yet?

ActionDan and Affinity are my top choices for scum right now.

[Serela]

Actually ##Unvote ##Vote Affinity

[Serela]

Affinity is scummy because his case on me makes absolutely no sense and pulls opinions out of thin air that I never actually had, and then attacks my vote on Dan as being suspect because... I'm not even sure because the wording is vague, but it seems to either be related to said opinions that never existed or just that my reasoning for voting Dan is suspect (I personally think it's horrible if your best town read or best scum read is someone who hasn't posted ingame yet, that reeks of not trying)

[Lexicat]

Actually ##Unvote ##Vote Affinity

Terrible.

[Serela]

Excuse me LLD, where is your vote again? At least I have one. And I believe in it too, because dear goodness Affinity I don't even. I would be very happy if you came in and made your case more clear Affinity, if possible.

And let me make this clear. Box shenanigans are not an excuse to not scumhunt. I expect all of you people to have votes on people you think are scum.

[Serela]

I'd also like another votecount please.

[Dormio Ergo Sum]

And let me make this clear. Box shenanigans are not an excuse to not scumhunt. I expect all of you people to have votes on people you think are scum.

And this is coming from someone who's first two votes came exclusively from box shenanigans. The next two are closely related to box shenanigans.
Anyway disappearing.

[Serela]

Dormio, almost everything in the game so far is about box shenanigans. What do you wish me to do, jokevote?

There is a difference between discussing box shenanigans and looking at a post about box shenanigans and going "hey, what this person is doing looks scummy".

[Lexicat]

Excuse me LLD, where is your vote again? At least I have one. And I believe in it too, because dear goodness Affinity I don't even. I would be very happy if you came in and made your case more clear Affinity, if possible.

And let me make this clear. Box shenanigans are not an excuse to not scumhunt. I expect all of you people to have votes on people you think are scum.

You don't pay attention do you?
 
I'm currently voting ActionDan. You know, before you did? I was the first one?
 
But your superior attitude is noted, despite the fact that you're entirely wrong (like most times).

[Serela]

Oh right sorry. I went back and skimmed through posts but I must have missed that one. I really wish there was a more recent votecount.

I APOLOGIZE :C

I'm just being being ragey, which is an emotion I am not used to having.

Dormio, you on the other hand do not actually have a vote on anyone so I can legitimately be >:C at you. You complain that my votes are about box shenanigans when you yourself say that it's the only thing going on and when you yourself have no vote.

[Serela]

Anyway LLD, while I am sorry about missing your vote while skimming to check if you had one (as I did not remember it), it does still remain that you did not explain why you voted ActionDan at all. I would like to know your reasoning!

[Shadoweh]

Free Candy Enter Third Votecount Van

Shadoweh (1): Dormio
Affinity (1): Serela
Dormio (0):
Kitten4u (2): Chaore, capt.h
Dr. Rawr (1): I have no name
capt.h (1) : Action Dan
Chaore: (0)
Omba (2): Conqueror, Kitten4u
I have no name (2): BT, Omba
Action Dan (1): Lady Lambdadelta
Serela (2): Dr. Rawr, Affinity

Not voting: Mr. Bob, Dorian G

Holding the Box: Affinity

With 15 alive, it takes 8 to lynch.
There are 89 hours remaining.
Day End Countdown

Box Timer: 41:48:14
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[Lexicat]

I have a few issues with this post.
 
Firstly, the appeal to probability vote compounded with a feeble attempt at justifying it to be something more than that. What about Capt.H's confirm post appeared nervous to you Dan?
 
Secondly, while I've stated that box speculation is inherently null, (and obviously I find the vote/reasoning to be the main suspicious part of this post), the last line of your post has me a little on edge. How do we determine the "scummiest" player in your eyes? To different people will come different "scummiest" players. I only see this as an attempt to cause discord, with people arguing over who to give the box two, and spending less time scumhunting.
 
Can you explain how as a group, we can determine the "scummiest" player? Further, isn't that the intent behind a lynch mechanic?

Learn to read, Serela. This plus the post where he votes Affinity.

[Serela]

Okay, maybe I should just go to bed. Normally I can at least make sense to myself but clearly I'm not functioning very well right now. This time I missed it because it was a page or two back before you actually voted him, and then he asked you about why you voted him, so I augh nevermind.

Sort of falling apart so I'm going to try and refrain from posting until I go to bed and wake up tomorrow (although I've been known to keep posting anyway after I say something like this, but)

[I have no name]

Serela, you seem really frantic.  I don't see a problem with Dormio not having a vote on someone if he has no scum reads at the moment.  I personally feel that most of the current wagons are relatively scummy, with the obvious exception of the one that seems to be forming on me ^_^.
Affinity, for his general lurkiness and lack of even trying to put up any half-decent reads with any reasoning.
Serela, for acting hypocritical about the box.  In fact, this goes for anyone saying to not vote based on the box and then base their vote on the box at all.

(and yes, his not posting just made me feel that I was justified to vote for him.)
         Affinity always lurks
I haven't been thinking deeply.
         I'll cut some slack since I was in a similar position in the last game I played.  Don't expect it to last long though, you're 3rd on my list.

Midnight Crew had 3 scum and 9 town, Sword Girls had 3 scum and 10 town, how many scum are standard for a 15 player game?

[Serela]

Serela, for acting hypocritical about the box.  In fact, this goes for anyone saying to not vote based on the box and then base their vote on the box at all.

Okay what did I ever do that was hypocritical.

I never said not to vote based on the box. I just said people need to scumhunt in addition to the box shenanigans. Scumhunting can be done via the box shenanigans perfectly fine as long as the logic works out.

[Dorian White]

I should have went to bed instead of reading this, however ?

About the box in general:
I think the ?keep it till deadline and use it as a vig? idea is the lesser of two evils, even if I really don't like the fact it will be focused on the player not present at said time. But I think the ?passing chain? would be worse cause it would lead into a lot of ED1 cases overvalued by the serious lynch intent that gets assumed behind it. To be honest I have no idea how I should get reads out of this box dominated discussion much less a case that would justify a lynch. But that's likely just the effect of this late hour.

Should Dr Rawr get the Box:
I don't think so. I can agree with capth that Rawrs manner implicates town but I can't help but getting that impression that Rawr fall victim to his play instinct and I don't see it as a good idea to hand a potential dangerous object to someone who act like a child in ?want this toy? mood.

About Lucys (LambdaDelta) ideas:
Cutting the day unnecessary short is never a good idea nor am I too fond of adding the box to the lynch, mostly cause it strikes me as wasting this tool, even when we aren't sure what it actually does.

This is just to get the box topic out of the way, everything else will come later when I've actually read the game, not just skimmed it, and more important when it isn't past 4am. Having this said ?

Good night.

[I have no name]

I just said people need to scumhunt in addition to the box shenanigans. Scumhunting can be done via the box shenanigans perfectly fine as long as the logic works out.

Looks like I misinterpreted.
Again.

I really need to pay more attention to exact wording and not assume the first thing I think I read is what was actually written.

[Dormio Ergo Sum]

I didn't feel like moving my vote because my mind was filled with platypii in boxes.

Or platypii that are boxes. Perry!

Anyway.
Serela's first vote, wherein after raving about the wonders of the magical box, Serela votes for Rawr for asking for the box. Well, whatever.
Serela's second vote on capth is for capth suggesting that we give Rawr the box. How exactly does this make capth scum?
Serela's third vote is on Dan for suggesting that the box remain with Affinity. Again, hos does this make Dan scummy?
For the previous two cases, are you suggesting that capthxrawr/DanxAffinity are part of a scumteam? You scream about how you wouldn't give the box to these players, but then, who would you give it to?
Serela's fourth vote reads somewhat like an OMGUS to me. Then again, I don't like Affinity's #124 very much, so whatever.

Also, LLD's assertion in #96/#98 that a hammer should occur at the same time as the box going off is worrying me. I mean, I could understand it if the deadlines were at the same time, which is what LLD seemed to have interpreted it as but then LLD corrects herself and says that we should do it anyway. Assuming that this box will kill the person holding it, why would you not want to spend the next 48 hours with the flip in mind? I mean, accountability shouldn't be a problem with this box.
Also, you fail to account for the lynchee deciding simply to hold onto the box.

Considering Affinity to be town is fine and all for Dan, but he's one of the people who have made absolutely no effort towards finding scum so far. He's, like, totally content to just sit back and blabber on about the box whilst contributing absolutely nothing of value to the town.

DrRawr has a third-party-like obsession with the box. I have no clue what to make of it.

Other people are not interesting enough yet.
##Vote Affinity

Also I got cut like a whole bunch of times while looking at pictures of platypii. Did you know that a platypus' testes grow to around 20 times their normal size during their breeding season?

[Dormio Ergo Sum]

Wait holy firetruck I'm tired..
##Unvote
##Vote ActionDan

[Dormio Ergo Sum]

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