Touhou Rage Thread XII "Stupid Walls of Cussing" Edition

[Puffy]

Stage 5 UFO Lunatic...Why do you do this to me!?!?!?

Could someone upload their score.dat with SanaeB and ReimuA so i can get the practice start for stages 5+6 on Lunatic. I have a feeling that it's gonna be a long time till i actually unlock both stages, and i've tried continuing on stage 5...and i keep dying, so to stop me from going from stage 1 -> 5 because its long. Thanks

[Zil]

Blegh. Trying to No-Ice Test Slave, and it's treating me just like Kogasa's nonspells. Every time I let go of shift, I have a 25% chance of remaining in focus mode. Infuriating.

[Esper]

FOR THE LOVE OF SHIT CIRNO

I'm sorry. I know, this is just beating a dead horse but I just died two times in one run to Perfect Freeze (Lunatic). Perfect Freeze.

The card that goes and makes you think you're facing Eternal Eyerape early but then stops cold in its damn tracks (Pun very much intended) and ぴちゅう～ん！

I'd bomb it but instincts keep me from hitting the bomb button in EoSD stage 2 because I haven't played it enough without a fuck bombs unless you know you'll get hit mindset.

This has happened at least ten times. I never anticipate running into a bullet because it's just a slow eternal meek script with stopping and going this way and that.

Next up, let's bring up that one nonspell from Meiling that we all know and hate. KUNAI SPIRALS. These fucking things have walled me so many times. I never anticipate it. They move so fast that it's one thought frame (For me, it's once every four frames approximately; thought frames are individual frames that you memorize slightly be it intentionally or not to learn the card, or simply reflex notes) they're nearly half of Reimu away and the next frame ぴちゅう～ん！, you just get hit out of nowhere.

Now for the shit that I hate, everything in stage 4. ESPECIALLY THE END. I can deal with the aiming. I can deal with the BOOKSSSSSS

I can deal with everything but the fucking end portion before the three Bomb Fairies (They clear the screen upon death, therefor they are bombs). I. HATE IT. It has SOME WAY of murdering me. SOME WAY of tearing me limb from limb. If I stream, I'll get my ass kicked. If I don't, I'll get my ass kicked. MAKE YOUR FUCKING MIND, KEDAMAS.

Besides the one in stage 4, here's why I am whining about  the first two

Perfect Freeze - You never anticipate a bullet stopping in your path.

Kunai Rape Spirals - You think you'll capture it but then ぴちゅう～ん！ because the speed is on speed.

Hey, I just noticed, I managed to go a full post that wasn't FUCK THIS FUCK THAT HNNNNNNNNNNG WHY ISN'T SAKUYA IN TOUHOU 13. Hooray for me, I can express anger in semi-calm ways now!

Actually I do remember a time when you went on for days about

AAAAH SINKABLE VORTEX ALL MY RAGE

but I guess you're over that now? :3

No, I still hate Sinkable Vortex with the passion burning hotter than Utsuho's organic reactor. I just don't whine about it as much.

[BT]

Meiling's third nonspell is indeed bullshit, but like you yourself recommended sometime you can go to the corners to make it ~slightly~ less bullshit.

Everything in Stage 4's stage portion but the early books (which shouldn't be a problem), 'the' books and Koakuma can be memorized. The last three fairies are dealt with ~80% of the time (for me) by shotgunning the one in the middle, quickly going below one of the corner fairies, then praying you kill the middle fairy on time after you killed the first one. You can screw up easily though so, you know, bomb it.

Perfect Freeze's bullcrap freezing thing shouldn't affect you so much after a certain skill level / some practice.

[BT]

Oh HEY, I FINALLY got to UFO Lunatic Stage 5 again! Now I can FINALLY get some PRACTICE in again!

*computer shuts down & restarts with no warning, for no reason whatsoever*

...What the shit.

[Zengeku]

Meiling's third nonspell is indeed bullshit, but like you yourself recommended sometime you can go to the corners to make it ~slightly~ less bullshit.

It isn't, but you'll probably have to work more on your timing in order to do capture it.

[Lepetit89]

Gaah, I like Spellcards that can wreck you if you don't know what you're doing, but I'm fairly sure I would have gotten through the GFW Extra Stage if I hadn't lost three or four Extra Lives on the third-last Spellcard (at least I'll assume that it's the third-last since the one after that was a Survival Spellcard).

[Esper]

Alice. Alice. Why do you do this? I have a great run, dying once in the stage, dying to your fucking cheeto lasers, and the phase after that catches me off guard, and then THE FINAL FUCKING PHASE, also known as Alice doesn't like the fact that all of her phases are easy so she's going to put every bit of extra stage difficulty that she can into one phase, decides to give me a hard time by catching me off guard either once or twice, ending in an obligatory game over.

I hate you.

Another thing, I think I've game over'd at the last card of every extra boss that I've made it to the end of before I've cleared the stage, excluding Mugetsu because she's not a real extra boss and Gengetsu because I've never made it to the end. Big Eye doesn't count because Story of Eastern Wonderland sucks.

[BT]

$%^&

I was in the mood to try EoSD No Bombs again and died on Sakuya's final, again.

Do you want to know how?

There were 00 seconds left.

I got walled in the corner by knives, waiting for the spell to end.

It didn't.

&_______________________&

[Buu]

UFO Lunatic. Fuck you stage 3, fuck you spell dissolving, fuck you Nue in stage 4.

Stage 3 is a huge pile of poop, I don't have the slightest clue how to get through those Orb walls or the purple wall-fairy onslaught without bombing.

Spells get me killed right when they dissolve, you think you're safe but OH WAIT THAT LASER STILL DIDN'T VANISH ENTIRELY, GOTTA FUCKING HIT YOU AND RUIN YOUR CAPTURE, MORON! (I "captured" Ichirin's last spell except I didn't); same happened at Kogasa's first non-spell as well. Fucking dick move. Not that you gotta make them vanish them all at the same time, nope, they gotta disappear one after another, extending from the middle further outward. Have my middle finger.

Nue in stage 4 is like three spams okay-ish to dodge then suddenly REFLEXES LIKE A BADASS MOTHERFUCKER wait this is impossible for the average player to pull off. I know that it's entirely memorization but damn, I suck at memo-patterns. I gotta keep being hipster and pulling off awesome moves just like that, entirely unplanned. {B|

On a lighter note, I captured Ichirin's second spell on Lunatic and her third one is easier than the Hard mode version to my delight.

[BT]

And another ruined Perfect Patchouli.

This time it was  Max Rank [Fifth Card] in which I pull some ludicrous dodging.

Kind of sad since that means I capped everything else Max Rank. Think about that. :V

[Random]

I've been attempting to scorerun Normal and Extra so much now that I forgot what Lunatic felt like.

My gravitation towards scoring is killing me, even in stage 1 :V

[チソウ タイゼン]

I know how that feels :getdown:

>plays normal for score

UGH STOP DYING

>plays extra for score

UGHHH

>plays lunatic

>for score

WHY AM I PLAYING FOR SCORE

>plays lunatic for survival

oh there we go you see this way we can actually get to satori

>plays normal

>for survival

wait a second

[Buu]

http://dl.dropbox.com/u/15731590/th12_07.rpy

Skip to the deaths at Shou's first and third spell. Preferably in slow-mo. Yes this game has awesome hitboxes.

[Esper]

http://dl.dropbox.com/u/15731590/th12_07.rpy

Skip to the deaths at Shou's first and third spell. Preferably in slow-mo. Yes this game has awesome hitboxes.

Just for future reference, this is a good place to upload your replays for many, MANY REASONS.

Also on the factor of my own attempt at scoring in PCB Extra, I did FOUR CLEARS, TRYING TO GET TO 700 MILLION.

The closest I could get was 670-something million, only 50 million higher than my score from back in JANUARY. I know this should go in the score thread but seriously, I'm more pissed than concerned about scoring. Look here for what I'm ranting about. Yes I know that I had many stupid deaths that could have been replaced with a bomb. I'm asking if there are foolproof methods that could have that many stupid deaths and get to at least 800 million.

[Vanhaomena]

I'm asking if there are foolproof methods that could have that many stupid deaths and get to at least 800 million.

Get a border for the pellet spam in the beginning. Enter it with 0 graze (this affects rank and rank affects bullet generation), bomb focused and absorb the bullets. Activating the border right there already causes a significant score boost, and if you can pop the border while there are enough bullets on the screen you can get another one and further increase the Cherrymax by grazing any bullets that are left. Remember to stay unfocused while grazing. The timing for all this might be a bit tricky. If you can plan ahead and have another border during the same kind of pellet spam later in the stage, that's even better. Proper border timing and point item collection will allow several mistakes while still scoring above 800M.

[Esper]

I thought I was asking for help on scoring, not help on Calculus I.

Wait, that was the help?

Okay fuck scoring in PCB my head hurts just processing how I'll make that work

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FUCKING HELL MOF I'M TRYING TO SCORE IN EXTRA AND YOU'RE JUST ANNOYING ME BY LOCKING DOWN

[SuccinctAndPunchy]

Why is every team not called Border absolutely fucking useless?

I'm actually sort of impressed at how poorly balanced the teams are, Border Team has the advantage in almost every conceivable way. Deathbomb timer long enough to the point where dying with bombs in stock is virtually impossible unless you're really slow, smaller hitbox, both focused and unfocused having a homing property attack?

I am seriously never even going to attempt to use anyone besides Border Team from now on, because they are all fucking useless by comparison.

[Esper]

Why is every team not called Border absolutely fucking useless?

I'm actually sort of impressed at how poorly balanced the teams are, Border Team has the advantage in almost every conceivable way. Deathbomb timer long enough to the point where dying with bombs in stock is virtually impossible unless you're really slow, smaller hitbox, both focused and unfocused having a homing property attack?

I am seriously never even going to attempt to use anyone besides Border Team from now on, because they are all fucking useless by comparison.

How dare you call the Netherworld Team useless

The netherworld team is better than the border team for scoring purposes and in a lot of cases, survival (In fact, my first 1cc of Normal was with the Netherworld Team)

Also, my keyboard is just being a full-on douche now. I was doing a scoring run of something besides MoF Extra and at the end, I was suddenly not allowed to decide when to go down.

[Zil]

The point of the the other teams is really to change things up depending on which one you use, and of course the scoring routes are all different. I believe ZUN intentionally designed the border team to be the easiest to 1cc with, as the advantages are pretty significant.

[SuccinctAndPunchy]

The netherworld team is better than the border team for scoring purposes and in a lot of cases, survival (In fact, my first 1cc of Normal was with the Netherworld Team)

I don't even know how you're even supposed to use Netherworld Team and scoring is of basically no concern to me, all about the not dying.

I don't think they're as useless as Magic Team but I have zero clue what their purpose is. Yuyuko's got an insane spread which is kinda neat for stages but she kills bosses so goddamn slowly.

Youmu's shottype in EVERY. FUCKING. GAME. is the one I basically never touch for being terrible. She charges too goddamn slow in PoFV, I do not comprehend what function her shot has in Imperishable Night hence why my Netherworld Team runs turn into Yuyuko solo's and her Ten Desires shot is just....what? No game, I do not want to repeatedly hold and release the fire button, piss off.

She just always has to have some gimmick that just ends up making her impractical for me to use.

[Esper]

Was there some kind of factory recall on these things before?

There should have been.

I don't even know how you're even supposed to use Netherworld Team and scoring is of basically no concern to me, all about the not dying.

I don't think they're as useless as Magic Team but I have zero clue what their purpose is. Yuyuko's got an insane spread which is kinda neat for stages but she kills bosses so goddamn slowly.

Youmu's shottype in EVERY. FUCKING. GAME. is the one I basically never touch for being terrible. She charges too goddamn slow in PoFV, I do not comprehend what function her shot has in Imperishable Night hence why my Netherworld Team runs turn into Yuyuko solo's and her Ten Desires shot is just....what? No game, I do not want to repeatedly hold and release the fire button, piss off.

She just always has to have some gimmick that just ends up making her impractical for me to use.

To score with the Netherworld Team you have to remain primarily as Youmu, whom has the shot that gathers the most time points. Fuck Yuyuko, that spread shot's weaker than PCB ReimuA.

Her shot in IN is to shoot the exact opposite direction of you depending on where its location is.

But yeah, that's pretty much the ONLY place where Youmu is good.

[Seppo Hovi]

We're talking about Imperishable Night shottypes?

First of all, Youmu is one of the highest damaging shots in the game, easily ending, for example, Mokou's final card until it arrives to it's final phase.
Then, Yuyuko's not that bad either. She's slow, yes, and most people call her useless since the shot is spread all over the screen. However, Yuyuko does not deal that bad damage even with only 3 streams hitting, and at ease exceeds Yukari when shotgunning. And hey, Netherworld team gives you a bomb whenever you have <3 at the end of a stage.

Border team's highlights are the good unfocused bomb (Youmu's isn't bad either), aimed shot, small hitbox and really long deathbomb time. That aside, they're not really a special team, especially not for scoring.

It usually is recommended for beginners with the game to stick to either Border or Netherworld teams, but for example, Scarlet team has high-damaging youkai shot, which actually deals high damage from the bottom of the screen. Sakuya's somewhat useless, when playing for survival, but I think the movement speeds' aren't too bad for her. It might take some practice to get into the shot, but it's not that bad, really.

And then we have the often endorsed magic team, since Alice is useless, but hey, you get to fire laser beams and the subtext in the dialogue is cute Magic team, while having a low-damage youkai shot, low deathbomb time, and fast movement speed, gives you access to the MAlice cannon, which can be used to end several spell cards before they get hairy. Take Kaguya's second, for example.


I'd say none of the shot-types is straight out useless, nor bad, but some take a longer while to learn. However, it might come of use later on, when you're scoring and stuff.

[XephyrEnigma]

These two put it best, also, I'm agreeing with Esupanitix, and saying that Netherworld Team actually trivializes some sections of certain stages (Namely, a couple of sections in Stage 3, and the Stage 4 familiar hoarding faries.)

[ふねん1]

I've seen this argument before. It is my experience that the only place where Yuyuko's spread shot is notably better for survival than either half of the Border Team is in the first half of Stage 3, and even then the difference is not that great (never mind the fact that Border Team has homing shots, memorization in general makes the stage portion easier). Everywhere else the Border Team is better IMO, especially when it comes to bosses. I can't say much about scoring, other than if you want to use Netherworld Team, you might as well use Youmu solo instead. :V

[Esper]

I've seen this argument before. It is my experience that the only place where Yuyuko's spread shot is notably better for survival than either half of the Border Team is in the first half of Stage 3, and even then the difference is not that great (never mind the fact that Border Team has homing shots, memorization in general makes the stage portion easier). Everywhere else the Border Team is better IMO, especially when it comes to bosses. I can't say much about scoring, other than if you want to use Netherworld Team, you might as well use Youmu solo instead. :V

That's what I was implying. Did you notice I said nothing in the defense of Yuyuko? The thing is that not everyone has cleared final A and B with all four teams so they might not be able to play as solo characters.

Now getting on another subject, trying to pull off a score~No death run of MoF Extra and there's always a card that kills me, the most recent one being a nonspell that does nothing but shoot once a second.

[XephyrEnigma]

That's what I was implying. Did you notice I said nothing in the defense of Yuyuko? The thing is that not everyone has cleared final A and B with all four teams so they might not be able to play as solo characters.

Just do it on Easy, it'll take less than two hours.

on an unrelated note Why is Meiling so awkward?

[Karisa]

Youmu solo is a lot better than Netherworld Team in my opinion. The ability to use Youmu's high-damage shot while focused helps a lot, and it allows you to move without changing the direction you're firing in; Yuyuko's spread shot seems pretty useless in comparison.

She also seems intentionally designed to be the highest-scoring character, with that shorter gauge (you can easily start out unfocused on boss phases then switch to focused when it gets denser) and insanely fast time orb rate when shooting bosses unfocused, which results in higher spell bonuses.

[Esper]

I've been trying to beat MoF Extra without dying for the past

TWO HOURS. AT LEAST, THAT IS ONE FUCKING SESSION.

I am literally crying. If I didn't do those sessions, Tomorrow Will Be Special, Yesterday Was Not would have been my pick for best stage theme in Extra stages.

[Buu]

http://replays.gensokyou.org/download.php?id=20586

Dying to QED (would have captured it) just as Flandre exploded. Third time in a row that this has happened.

Something seriously is wrong with this game.