Generic F11 Mafia - Game Over

[Shadoweh]

The information we get from flips is stuff like interactions with the players, seeing if people buddied up to anybody (i.e, you), we get the alignment of the players who flipped (which is precious information). There is a lot you can get from a flip.

No. Tell me something relevant to this game. This is just mafia theory.

[J.O.B]

No. Tell me something relevant to this game. This is just mafia theory.

seeing if people buddied up to anybody (i.e, you)

[Dormio Ergo Sum]

ignore thepost where i said i fixed my laptop it just shut itswelf down =/

[J.O.B]

:V

[Shadoweh]

Look Dormio, I made spaces just for you!

Excuse me whilst I go somewhere else to laugh. No information from the lynch? May I inquire so as to how you're getting this information that somebody on the PX wagon must have been scum? I've said it before, and I'll say it again, I highly dislike how you keep emphasizing the fact that you did not get the person you wanted lynched, and therefore everyone should follow you blindly today.
Also, #222. Where did you get this from, if not from Schezo and PX after their deaths? :V

So you've pointed out how I personally am trying to draw information from it. Have you noticed the lack of it from everyone else, including you? This wagon is a tangent. You're on a lynch train with people who can't be bothered to read our posts. Wake up.

Scum for what? Making a post that you thought was there to troll you. Only he said it was serious and you kind of dropped and ignored him for the rest of the day. Except you didn't drop the vote. What is that if not voteparking?
Care to point out when Serela voted for Conq?

He wasn't saying anything all day Dormio, what exactly was I suposed to add beyond 'Still voting Zakeri, pretending his troll post is serious is still scummy'?
I.. though Serela and Conq were voting each other. The tone of Serela's posts imply he wants to vote for Conqueror. I'm not sure what to think of that.

"He stopped voting for me, I like him."? :V

Come off it. I wasn't viable yesterday, his vote on me wasn't worth anything.

Really now?

I'm not apologizing again even if you keep bringing it up.

Because "OMG Why didn't you guys listen to me I told you PX and Schezo were town ok now let's lynch Conq because." is so totally prodding, right? :V
And then the accusing, where you make a case on Conq without a vote, is so valid, right? :V

Stop misrepping my play, that's hardly everything I did in the first third. The accusation phase would be when I started voting YOU.

You have said yourself that your town read of Schezo was based around his large amount of activity early on in the game. Almost all of this was him defending himself. Care to explain how the two are unrelated?

His activity and what he was doing are slightly unrelated. What mattered was the active effort he was putting into participating in the game itself. He was not being guarded, he wasn't dropping off because he was suspected, and he was absolutely 100% not British.

How was that post different from the others?

It was the continued level of non-sensical that Serela irradiates. His actions say if he is scum, his partner is Conqueror. I am tentatively ruling that out for now.

Also, I have another question for you.Why did you even bother bringing this up?

Because it was the thought that struck me at the time. Why are you bothering to bring it up again?

You're still not applying this knowledge you say you gained, JOB. You're naming things that in theory you will gain. What did you gain from PX and Schezo? What did the information tell you and what are the conclusions you drew from them? Don't answer this with 'You buddied up to them because you're scum'. The answer is still too general and doesn't involve you thinking enough.

And after having filled page after page today how dare you call me lazy. This is why I wanted you dead even though I think you're town, JOB. Because you're an idiot and I wouldn't have to waste my time talking to you.

[J.O.B]

You realize if you piss me off I will just vote you.

[Dormio Ergo Sum]

I think that, as long as I don't move anything, I can keep my computer running like this.

You realize if you piss me off I will just vote you.

That is bad and you should feel bad.

Making another post.

[J.O.B]

Well it's not like I'm lynching someone who I think is town.

[Dormio Ergo Sum]

Yes but it's cutting the day short. And that is a big no-no. Especially when people like Conq, Zakeri, Serela, and Dan need to get in here and post.

[Shadoweh]

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That would be a dick move and not in the spirit of the game at all. I suggest if you want to be tolerated you don't do that for that reason. I'm not talking to you anymore.

Calm Blue Oceans.. Okay, so Dan.

Re: Dormio as a town read. I never saw or felt a need to explain myself. Dormio was accepted town. I'd prefer not to waste my time explaining things people have already figured out.

The reason I asked about Schezo is that if you are REALLY letting activity times since somebody last posted affect your judgement it should be applied equally.   Your "Schezo posted so much in the first 24 hours" is a ridiculous reason to shoo away the next 24 hours of inactivity.

Why would I judge you by the same standards? You're not Schezo. What makes you lean towards towniness and scumliness is completely different, For example, you can also be prone to light inactivity as town, but when you're here you attempt to be as clear as possible. You left us with a vote, a list of reads and nothing. Your points on my Day 1 activity aren't clearly saying what your interpretation of the event was, just that it happened.

After you put me as red, your feeble attempt to justify the read was "Dan feels like he's going after people that look bad after the flip".   Riiiiggghhht.  Going after Zak and you?  First, Zak actually looked like the person who was most likely to get lynched yesterday.  If Px hadn't voted himself and switched to Job, Dormio had expressed intent to switch to Zak, which might have happened before I switched to Px (which I would have done considering the wrong VC and then the 25 min warning which happened minutes before I got to computer class).  Second, You were not on Px and had called Px town.  Were you supposed to look bad?  OR are you talking about the possible Zak lynch.... because you looking BAD from that had it gone through means you are assuming that zak is town... a priori.

I agree the logical words sounded like much less then my feelings behind them. Gut doesn't translate well into cases. I'll accept the reasoning on Zakeri, except that Zak wasn't at L-1 and Dormio couldn't hammer him. For myself, there was a general negative connotation being carried about my name, irrespective of the lynches. You guys come up with the most bizarre scumtells for me.  At this moment I am assuming Zakeri was town.

On the same note Schezo's death is pretty good for a Scum!Shadoweh.  Since you spare no quips telling us that you look at Job funny (when he's not town to you) only because Schezo/Px were "screaming" his name, let me remind you that Schezo's last words were that he thought you were scummy.  Px also had a scum read on you, although he wasn't screaming it.

I was wondering if someone would bring this up. Schezo wasn't pushing my lynch though, nor was he as likely to as the other half of the game, and his opinions were being taken with high amounts of suspicion. He would have been the kind of detractor I would have tried to lynch instead of kill. I'm puzzled why he died.

Moreover the way you phrased "you lynched someone I thought was town and killed someone I knew was town" is self-centered.

I have never denied my narcissistic tendencies.

The rest of the stuff is about me ignoring Dormio which is ~*~garbage~*~ until Dan catches up on Pages DormioxShadoweh 1-3.

I'm going to go do something else. Something that doesn't have me looking at certain people here for awhile. Yeah.

[Dormio Ergo Sum]

By the way, have I said that over half the game need to get in here and start talking? Because they really need to get in here and start talking.

Look Dormio, I made spaces just for you!

So you've pointed out how I personally am trying to draw information from it. Have you noticed the lack of it from everyone else, including you? This wagon is a tangent. You're on a lynch train with people who can't be bothered to read our posts. Wake up.

There's also a lack of everything from everyone else. :V
As for me, I dunno, I think that it's possible to draw information from who avoided a wagon and for what reason, you know.
But I'm tired.

He wasn't saying anything all day Dormio, what exactly was I suposed to add beyond 'Still voting Zakeri, pretending his troll post is serious is still scummy'?

I dunno, you had a while from when Zakeri made his #129 where he stated that it was simply coincidence to think about it. Yet you continued to keep your vote on him whilst barely mentioning him.

I.. though Serela and Conq were voting each other. The tone of Serela's posts imply he wants to vote for Conqueror. I'm not sure what to think of that.

:derp:

Come off it. I wasn't viable yesterday, his vote on me wasn't worth anything.

No vote is worthless. I like how you don't deny it, though. :V

I'm not apologizing again even if you keep bringing it up.

Just saying.

Stop misrepping my play, that's hardly everything I did in the first third. The accusation phase would be when I started voting YOU.

Then what did you do?

His activity and what he was doing are slightly unrelated. What mattered was the active effort he was putting into participating in the game itself. He was not being guarded, he wasn't dropping off because he was suspected, and he was absolutely 100% not British.

I dunno, I figure that it's a lot easier to be active if you're under fire. Whatever.

It was the continued level of non-sensical that Serela irradiates. His actions say if he is scum, his partner is Conqueror. I am tentatively ruling that out for now.

So you changed your read over, effectively, nothing? Serela is being weird, therefore scummy. Serela continues to be weird, townie.

Because it was the thought that struck me at the time. Why are you bothering to bring it up again?

Because I'm wondering why you would bring it up, only to state that it doesn't apply anymore. Feels a bit off to me.

Also, how come you've been ignoring various points?

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ALSO, WHERE IS EVERYONE ELSE?

[Conqueror]

Since about the last post he made that makes him sound like he's drowning. Conqueror, how est reading past half the game of text walls exactly scummy for someone like Serela, and what is your opinion of his last post? Also why won't you help me lynch Dormio god damnit.

Because I ISO'd Serela and it doesn't feel like he's even trying. >_>
Like seriously, he's still voting Zakeri. I mean, it's not like Zakeri has done anything, but Zakeri literally hasn't posted since the start of the day so there's absolutely nothing to say about him, and it's not like Serela has said much about not!Zakeri and so lynching Zak would basically be a PL...basically I'm seeing it as a vote park. Serela's last post was fluffy but Serela has posted fluff as scum before, so to me it's just another indication of the lack of content. Why won't you help me lynch Serela? Is it because he isn't voting you?


JOB, what do you think of not!Shadoweh?

[J.O.B]

Pretty much all of my opinions stand from the quick rereads. The only one that changed was Shadoweh.

[Shadoweh]

Conq: Why did you only answer this after I stopped voting Dormio? ;_; I can't really think of a refute to your logic. I think my thinking skills have burned out. I think Serela would be as much a lynch for being bad over policy though. I assume you don't want to lynch Dan with me either. ._.

Dormio: I really think we should stop fighting. We have more content between us then the rest of the game combined. Two people arguing this stupidly passionately about their sides are way more likely to be town vs town then to have any scum involved in there somewhere. I've been ignoring some of your points because if I didn't the posts would be like twice as big and Conqueror would never read them.

Actually I get the feeling no one is reading them anyways. Who are you suspicious of that isn't named Shadoweh?

[Conqueror]

Shadoweh: I wasn't around to post it earlier. Anyway, your votes on Dormio and Dan have both read like OMGUS to mebecause I can't really tell why you're voting them. I'll admit I haven't read through the game as much as I should have, but they both seem townie to me. Summarize your cases on them?

[Shadoweh]

-.- You really aren't reading the text walls, are you? I don't remember what I wanted Dormio dead for anymore. Something about bandwagon hopping and opportunistic 180's or something.
I named Dan as scum first so it's more like a reverse OMGUS. I was voting him because he was lurking out the day voting me for being scum because I'm scum. He's still voting me despite how he's paired with his next-scummiest people. His post is a conspiracy theory about painting a picture. Why don't you actually go read post #309 to see what I disagree with about him. Possibly even give your opinion on what he's saying so I don't feel like I'm the only one answering queries today.

[Conqueror]

No, I read the walls. Post #309 actually doesn't tell me much of anything except that you're voting him for his first post of the day.

I think hunting for scumpairs without a flip is pretty stupid, honestly. >_> It lets scum set up weird shenanigans. So how is his list scummy?

[Shadoweh]

Besides that it's the only content in his post, it's a list of reads without any justification for them. I recall someone saying those lists are easy to fake and they make the person making them look very obvscum. Though I hadn't thought about the point until you asked. The lack of anything else is what struck me as wrong.

[Conqueror]

Fair enough; I noticed that while he explained the Shadoweh read, he hasn't really talked about Zakeri or the others on his list.

Of course, this wouldn't be as much of a problem if he would show up and actually post more, like half the game. :V

[Shadoweh]

Although I'd love to keep waiting for lurkers I don't have the luxury of time to do it and they're getting away with murder because of it. Mine, to be specific. And you know the mafia will practically be a dead zone tomorrow if I'm gone.

[Conqueror]

Actually, now that I think about it, are you voting Dan for similar reasons to why Serela is voting for Zakeri?

[Shadoweh]

I don't recall why Serela is voting for Zakeri. You could tell me in your own opinion what the reasoning is and if I am or not.

Ahaha the active people right now are you, me, Dormio and JOB. There pretty much isn't a viable lynch but my own today.

What a pointless day. I can't believe I lost sleep over this.

[J.O.B]

 I feel remembered :3

Also if I'm right, deadline is around 10AM for me. I don't like waking up early. But I'll try and be on.

[ActionDan]

Besides that it's the only content in his post, it's a list of reads without any justification for them. I recall someone saying those lists are easy to fake and they make the person making them look very obvscum. Though I hadn't thought about the point until you asked. The lack of anything else is what struck me as wrong.

This and the fact that I'm unable to post because of real life circumstances are the only reasons you give for Scum!me.

Last Night (3am) I was making a post about why I thought your interactions with Dormio today were indicative of scum!you/town!Dormio when AT&T wireless hotspot Bullshit timed out and I lost internet access and I didn't copyy/paste.  Now internet is being spotty (I keep getting disconnected every few minutes). 

First at the time I gave those reads Dormio still hadn't bothered looking at you which was 1/2 the reason I was suspecting him.  The other 1/2 was what I considered to be the most oppurtunistic vote on Px and a case on Zak that had only one original point I could understand (If Zak thought Schezo vs Dormio was town vs town why didn't he say more to convince us) while the rest I couldn't wrap my mind about (The 100% town tell thing where shadoweh's name comes up a lot.  I couldn't follow what you were trying to get across).

Unlike your magical town read or Zak , Shadoweh, Zak's read has changed only from scum ---> scummy as while I believe his case on you is insubstansial and not by itself indicative of you being scum, it has been consistant and I believe that Zak truely believes it, since I actually get where he's coming from, which is more than whatever your going on about in your "cases".

No, Shadoweh, your scum partner is not Dormio or Zak (well possibly Zak if you were taking a chance staying on the Zak wagon till end of day, but Zak seems too serious about his vote on you).  Your Partner is most likely Serela due to a few interactions.  "Am I crazy enough to think Serela + Dormio are scum for their ED1 tomfoolery" hiding a real scum under a ridiculous accusattion.  "Serela had to have someone ask her SOMETHING."  Except that was the extent of it.  I don't even remember what Serela thinks of you besides "one of Zak/Shadoweh is scum because I feel that way and I think it's Zak".

Yes Shadoweh, you have been painting a picture.  You never fail to mention me "lurking" or in comparision you being active.  Your last post is an attempt to placate Dormio with "let's be friends because each of us post so much, and I might not be able to answer all of your points."

short list of things from Dormio/shadoweh that I find dumb as shit.

-Shadoweh: "I was the leader of the Zak wagon!"  This is something you tried to pass off as something to your credit but actually your vote was weak as shit until you re-confirm voted and by that point I had voted Zak. 
-Shadoweh: "Dormio's case on Zak is just Defending Me! "Shadoweh" came up more times than "Zak"!  Gee I dunno, considering Zak was focused solely on you, you might think he's going to be judged on that.  Also it wasn't Dormio defending you.   

Shadoweh, who do you think is scum because the last I remember was you voting me because "needs another bandwagon who may be scum" whilst adding shoddy reasons as you went along after. 

I should have another period of time inbetween chess matches were I can post before deadline.

[Serela]

Yesterday
"Oh well it's the morning and stuff and I've got plenty of time before I have to post so I'll play some GoS"
play GoS for like half an hour

then get whisked off to go eat some food at a restaurant and end up getting dragged around all day and then FINALLY get home and have to do chores and fuq

okay but I'm here again'

Okay so at this rate I'm expecting Zak to just get modkilled. He hasn't posted in like, what, 72 hours?
##Unvote

I'm not ready to lynch Shadoweh today (Unless I reread her and SEE THE LIGHT and suddenly flip my read on her). When was the last votecount again...? Okay so Dan has two votes on him and I could easily send him up to three. Dan vs. Shadoweh. Hrm. Shadoweh is willing to vote Conq too so if we could convince anyone on that (there's still time) hrm...

Need to reread Dan/Shadoweh/Conq and decide who I want to vote, which I'll be doing like, right now. I thiiink we have about 9 hours and 10 minutes left. Blargh

[Serela]

Okay so I'm rereading and god it's going to be a relief for me when we get Zak's flip. He may have turned into a practical nonexistence in D2, but there's still information to be found around how people treated him D1 (and I guess early D2?)

The only thing that worries me about a Zak modkill is that it makes today LyLo if he isn't scum. So basically, it's really really important we try not to mess this up, just in case!

Dan's trying so hard that my finger doesn't want to type out the syntax for voting him. Same as with Shadowhe, if Zak is scum he most likely isn't just due to how the end of D1 played out, while if Zak flipped town then I could maybe see this... grah. Zak, why must you not be here today? I want to lynch YOU and not have to worry about "is this lylo or not due to you probably being modkilled?"

In fact, I can even turn this Dan/Sahdowhe/Zak into a web of "If X is scum then Y probably isn't" but fuck there's no point without any flips yet. I don't want to draw up a big list of scumteams and cross out ones that don't make sense to try and narrow down the likeliness of things.

As I reread, this turns more and more into a Dan vs. Shadoweh. My dumb web of connections that I can't get out of my head is pointing towards one or the other but not both; and annoyingly, if Zak flipped scum it'd be neither and I'd have to go back to the drawing board and want to vig Conq or something.

Actually screw this.

Huhwhat, when will Zakeri be modkilled assuming he does not return at all, and when do we get his flip?

I'm going to look at Conq now.

[Serela]

Blurgh I rememebered some things and fuck no Shadoweh isn't scum. Hell if we're lynching Shadoweh. Just... no. Willing to vote Not-Shadoweh over Shadoweh today. Now yeah that conq reread so I can decide between him and Dan.

[Serela]

...why even lynch?

If Zakeri is getting modkilled (Which I pretty much consider to be something that should happen as soon as huhwhat looks at the game again, by my count he has not posted in EIGHTY-TWO HOURS, which is over three days) then at the very least if he flips town we're in Pseudo-MyLo, and that's assuming there's a doctor who isn't roleblocked who targets the person scum will NK.

Unless we get his flip by day end I'm much rather ##Vote No Lynch. We're allowed one of those before Rocks Fall Everybody Dies. I don't want to throw away the game just because Town was a little trigger-happy with their lynch; this is basically town having forced-Zak lynch and the option to lynch again if they want to risk losing the game. We do not need to risk losing the game to have a second flip today. Hell to the no we don't.

But I don't know if everyone will agree with this, so UNFORTUNATELY I'm not going to be surprised if I end up getting made to hammer Dan or something just to avoid a Shadoweh lynch, so I better stop distracting myself and finish this conq read after I eat the yummy sandwich I'm making

mmm chicken sandwich with mayo dipped in syrup

[Shadoweh]

Oh yeah. Not lynching Serela. He's like the only one paying attention right now.
Then again this is so sane MAYBE HE IS SCUM111!!!ONE.

Yes Shadoweh, you have been painting a picture.  You never fail to mention me "lurking" or in comparision you being active.  Your last post is an attempt to placate Dormio with "let's be friends because each of us post so much, and I might not be able to answer all of your points."

No, my last post is an attempt to placate Dormio with "We're arguing over word semantics at this point and neither of us is scum so let's kill them before I die and you get nightkilled so D3 is a blank wasteland."

There were other words in your post but I'm not interested in addressing them since you're only interested in voting for town today.

[Shadoweh]

Honestly I suspect Conq a little just because he's active and hasn't addressed this connundrum.