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Conqueror

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Re: Generic F11 Mafia - Day 1
« Reply #90 on: November 19, 2011, 11:37:01 PM »
Conq, this applies to you since you know your reason for voting me is bad meta I should know better but by trying to clear things up for me and ask questions I'm scum.  (The fuck?)
Conq, that's your interpretation of how I'm playing.  I personally don't think so because I don't think I'm "Askin' questions 'cause it's protown lol" I'm asking questions because I'm confused and would like to know like what the hell Dormio was getting at by expressing dislike at PX and doing nothing with it and various other things.
No, I didn't vote you for asking questions; that would be silly. Let me point you to an example of what I was voting you for.

Are you thinking clearly?  What did I just say?
Can you give words or a reason for anything you're doing?
This was in response to Dormio not voting PX like you asked him to and voting you instead. It felt like an incredibly defensive overreaction, sorta like this one. Add to that the previous post, which felt unnecessarily aggressive. Forgive me if I thought you were trying to piss people off instead of clearing things up. Tone is important, yo.

I don't like the JOB vote. It basically reads as a massive OMGUS.
You can't sugarcoat it any way because the only reason I can see for you wanting this done is so a townie can derp hammer.
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So your thinking on this is very scummy and you now have bought a death ticket.
You can't be serious. JOB's reasoning in that line does make me :psyduck: as well, but this is more a player tell than anything. Why are you twisting it to paint him as definite scum?

And you admit to sheeping. Sheeping means you deserve to die because it implies either lazy scum or lazy town, and if it's indecisive, either way it's lazy and you deserve to die.

PX, wtf is this?

##Unvote
##Vote: PX


I'm actually not as sure on Schezo right now, though I still think he looks bad. PX's last post rubs me the wrong way. I'll try to see if I can explain it with words later.
Stuff on Zak and Shadoweh will have to wait until they've posted again.


On tue un homme, on est un assassin. On tue des millions d'hommes, on est un conqu?rant. On les tue tous, on est un dieu.
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Conqueror

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Re: Generic F11 Mafia - Day 1
« Reply #91 on: November 19, 2011, 11:43:24 PM »
Alright, why is Schezo-tan a wagon?!
Why not?


On tue un homme, on est un assassin. On tue des millions d'hommes, on est un conqu?rant. On les tue tous, on est un dieu.
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Re: Generic F11 Mafia - Day 1
« Reply #92 on: November 20, 2011, 12:43:26 AM »
*Ow my head hurts, LET'S PLAY MAFIA.*
Bad idea :V

Anyway on to the srsbsns.
Why would you state that like it's an absolute, instead of trying to get more discussion?

And up until this post you're asking questions but not doing a single thing with them.

In that post, you create a random list of reads without explaining any of them before or during.

And it takes you two people to ask you why the person you're voting for is scum before you actually explain your vote.

And your reasons are pretty bad as well. The ensuing argument with Schezo-tan only makes me feel better about my vote.First off, you do realize the reason why he didn't vote Shadoweh-san in the first place is the exact same reason why Dormio-chan unvoted, in that you're not going to leave someone at L-1 this early.

Fake vote or not, everyone fell for it anyways, so why do you keep talking about it as if it is relevant?

And you admit to sheeping. Sheeping means you deserve to die because it implies either lazy scum or lazy town, and if it's indecisive, either way it's lazy and you deserve to die.
I asked you earlier in the game when you didn't like me for that, "What else could you have added?"

That's a player tell. I'm not the best mafia player you know.

All I asked for were stances, not why. Maybe you should read my posts.

In case you didn't realise, if I got my times right, those two posts were like minutes apart. I explained it in the post straight after them.

So?

It is relevant, everyone thought it was L-1, so why not count it as if it was L-1.

This is arguably the worst sentence I've seen this game. Sheeping can also mean you agree with someone. Also how is sheeping 1 reason out of 3 make me deserve to die.

Seriously Conq sums this whole post up better than I ever could.

PX, wtf is this?

##Unvote
##Vote: PX


##Unvote
##Vote:PX


Maybe you should learn to read and learn to answer. You're basically throwing accusations at me without doing the research on them. You know what that means?
That means you deserve to die because it implies either lazy scum or lazy town, and if it's indecisive, either way it's lazy and you deserve to die.

Also if I forgot anybody's questions just remind me and I'll get on it.

Oh and surprisingly my head hurts less now :V

Re: Generic F11 Mafia - Day 1
« Reply #93 on: November 20, 2011, 12:58:30 AM »
Tally IV: The Votecount of "Counting Sheep"
J.O.B (2): Schezo, Komeiji PX
Komeiji PX (2): MySTKing, J.O.B
WHMZakeri (2): Shadoweh, ActionDan
Schezo (1): Tamamo no dorMae
Tamamo no dorMae (1): Serela
Shadoweh (1): WHMZakeri

Not Voting: None!
With 9 alive, it takes 5 to lynch. You have about 47 hours remaining in the day, so you had better not waste them~.

Serela has been prodded.

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Re: Generic F11 Mafia - Day 1
« Reply #94 on: November 20, 2011, 01:27:07 AM »
 >________>

JOB did you just borrow my entire post?


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Re: Generic F11 Mafia - Day 1
« Reply #95 on: November 20, 2011, 01:38:03 AM »
PX's #89 is a thing.

What marks Shadoweh as scummy to you?

What makes Conqueror and Zakeri null and ActionDan townie when ActionDan has actually posted less than both of them?

Also, your case on JOB appears to be punishing purely for bad play, regardless of alignment. I don't like this.

This, in conjunction with my earlier statement that PX is attempting to pass off fluff and RP as content leads me to:
##FoS PX

Oh, and Shadoweh, come back and play~~~
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JOB sheeping is a thing, but I've seen him do it in every game he was in as town, so...

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Re: Generic F11 Mafia - Day 1
« Reply #96 on: November 20, 2011, 02:02:15 AM »
>________>

JOB did you just borrow my entire post?
Uhh.. didn't you only have one thing about PX?

Conqueror

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Re: Generic F11 Mafia - Day 1
« Reply #97 on: November 20, 2011, 02:10:27 AM »
Not that, but never mind it, as it was an overstatement on my part. It's just strange to see you suddenly jump votes like that. :V (Then again that post was pretty ffff so)

Anyway, I'll wait for PX to check in.


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Re: Generic F11 Mafia - Day 1
« Reply #98 on: November 20, 2011, 02:20:01 AM »
I fail to see how I'm motivated to post when it sounds like four people are waiting for the opportunity to jump back on me again. >_> Good thing I'm a masochist devoted mafia player.

In answer to Dan's question and addressing Zakeri, Zak's post is almost a copy of his post as Pamela from Graveyard Mafia, where he accuses Youmu (1/2 of me) of being scum and says Arcureid must be town because we said she's town. The similarity is uncanny enough that I'm positive Zak did it on purpose. I don't like words being put in my mouth about why I think someone is town. Schezo is town because he is. The idea that I was actually going to be jokevote wagoned lynched is laughable. This isn't IRC Mafia. So I'd appreciate if you would not target me for my hydra partner's meta and for reasons that are just plain made up and came up with something better.

RE: Serela and Dormio. So I guess I'm the only one who considers those two could be insane enough to actually do that together as scum? It doesn't mean anything now since there are better Dormio posts to look at.  I didn't mention my own opinion on it first because I don't need to ask myself for my own opinion and I find it uninteresting to think about. In all non-sarcasticness it bothers me that I do this as town every time and you guys call me scum for it every time. It's like we've never spent any time together at all.

Schezo, your long post kind of feels like you're just throwing random statements together. Calm down. Dormio unvoted quickly because I was at L-1. There wasn't anything scummy about the unvote. JOB sheeping is also a null tell because that's what he does. He did it when he was scum to jump on wagons and he did it as town every time someone spoke ever. It doesn't make him confirmed scum. 

Though posts like this one make me go O_o. Same with this one and the line about quickhammers. 
First, your post isn't a strawman. It's an entire straw field with a straw factory pumping out scarecrows for everyone. "You're not even saying anything worthwhile you're just saying random remarks" is taking something Conqueror said and flying the extra mile with it. I especially like how you've effectively blamed Conqueror for the worst reasoning imaginable. I feel like you're sheeping people to find reasons to get on wagons right now.
Second, quickhammers. Shadoweh was at 'fake' L-1 for approximately one post before someone unvoted to stop Shadoweh from being at L-1. You are exactly the kind of player people want to keep a switch like that away from. Accidental hammers and purposeful hammers happen. Not wanting a wagon at L-1 in the first day is not a scumtell.

Dan, jumping around like a mexican jumping bean is how I get reads on people. I would say that post where I mention wanting to vig you is the first one I seriously posted in. (I don't want to anymore, by the way.) I did want a serious answer from Zak, whether it be about Dormio and Serela or if it was about how I dared to ask a silly question. I wasn't saying anything about Dormio's unvote. And your suggestions about language are under advisement. I will keep my comments about JOB being a better asset for when I'm alone in a back alley with you.

PX's reads look surprisingly like mine again. If only he'd stop putting me as obvscum. Do you honestly think JOB is scum or do you just want him to die like you have every other time? It doesn't sound like you care either way.

Cut by Dormio asking for another restraining order. I'm just gonna get this out there.

##Confirm Vote Zakeri


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Re: Generic F11 Mafia - Day 1
« Reply #99 on: November 20, 2011, 02:36:15 AM »
Let's go one more time Dormio since you are like missing something.
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So first of all, you're going on about the blank unvote. I did that because I thought that Shadoweh was at L-1, and I did not want her to stay there when she had barely even had a chance to post. I did not say much else in that post because I was busy at the time, and could not actually say much else.
Fine.
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May I inquire so as to how Shadoweh cleared up her out of place satire to you? Because, you know, with the way you worded that, it kind of sounds like the reason it got better to you was because something that you could see as being scummier came along.
You may.
Her post:
Quote from: Shadoweh 51
:o Maybe they did! I don't even remember if he posted before I said the first quote!
The first was a joke about how Schezo is always scum. The second was a statement based on actual game talk. Strange how that works.
Clarified the fact that she just dropped a scum read on me, which I thought was serious.  It wasn't and her post here clarified that as such.

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Yes, I expressed dislike of PX, but I did not think that it was worth a vote at the time. You ask Conq not to vote for you based on playstyle or whatever, yet you'll do the same to me?
Please don't twist what I say.  You could have put in your unvote, don't want it at L-1 but you have later clarified it.  So at that moment in time you expressed suspicion of Shadoweh and then PX here.  You come back,
don't clarify that it was an unvote for L-1 thing,
don't clarify that she's still who you want to vote and instead make a remark on PX that you dislike him.  Couple that with your point that means nothing but filler with Shadoweh.
You know why I have a problem with this?  I don't know where you want to go at this point.
Do you want to get Shadoweh who you had a vote on or PX who you dislike?  That's a problem in my ability to read you.  That is why I made a big deal out of it and I would appreciate if you back up out my face for that.
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What trapping? You have only yourself to blame for making a statement which suggested that I should place my vote somewhere of your choosing.
Again, no I don't have just myself to blame for YOUR inability to vote someone who you had suspicion on or at the very least express willingness to vote after dropping that PX comment.  Your comment to Shadoweh in this post didn't imply or state you would vote her yet at the same time you dislike PX.   Get it now?   I was asking if you were going to vote PX since you did dislike him and didn't express that at Shadoweh.
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JOB defending me is a thing I dislike, as is all the sheeping and insistence on using bad logic. Unfortunately, town!JOB loves sheeping and the like, so ugh.
I will not let you clear someone on meta, have you seen all his recent actions?

Your last three lines might as well not even be here if all you're going to say is: "X is interesting they should post.  I found this interesting."
Interesting how?  Elaborate instead of making fake content.

Action Dan:
Quote from: wall
The Dormio/Schezo fight is a goldmine.  It solidifies for me a town read of Dormio while I remain unconvinced of Schezo's attacks upon Dormio.
If this is such a gold mine, would you mind elaborating with examples where you get town vibes from Dormio?
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I think JOB is both a hell of a lot more town and that JOB is also a greater ASSET at the moment. 
Then I would like to ask you to look at Job's actions and explain to me how you're getting a town read from all of this bad logic and sheeping.

Conqueror's 90:
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No, I didn't vote you for asking questions; that would be silly. Let me point you to an example of what I was voting you for.

This was in response to Dormio not voting PX like you asked him to and voting you instead. It felt like an incredibly defensive overreaction, sorta like this one. Add to that the previous post, which felt unnecessarily aggressive. Forgive me if I thought you were trying to piss people off instead of clearing things up. Tone is important, yo.
I think I just explained this earlier in my post.  If that isn't the answer you're looking for please say so.
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You can't be serious. JOB's reasoning in that line does make me :psyduck: as well, but this is more a player tell than anything. Why are you twisting it to paint him as definite scum?
I disagree about being able to use that as a player tell for someone who has pushed bad logic not just a few but all day.  Really, have read my case on him?  Like, is this the only problem you have with me out of the multitude of other points I made on him earlier?  Why is it OMGUS instead of bad scum pushing bad logic?  I'm not seeing it.

I will have to update my JOB read in another post because fuck.
Conq is right in his point that JOB borrowed his post because as soon as Conq mentioned Job could be cleared with his player tell, JOB immediately latches onto this and says the same thing in his next post.
Quote from: JOB 92
That's a player tell. I'm not the best mafia player you know.

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Re: Generic F11 Mafia - Day 1
« Reply #100 on: November 20, 2011, 02:42:47 AM »
I'm sorry if Conq just happened to mention that then, geez.
Stop being such a tryhard.

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Re: Generic F11 Mafia - Day 1
« Reply #101 on: November 20, 2011, 02:46:46 AM »
Cut by Dormio asking for another restraining order. I'm just gonna get this out there.
ㅠㅠ 왜 그러냐? 그냥 장난하는거 아니냐?

야, Shadoweh, 전에 내가 말한것  대답해봐라:
Why did you feel the need to provide an out for Schezo in regards to the question about JOB? If you wanted to let Schezo defend himself, would it not be better for you to ignore both accusations I made against him?
마찬가지로 니가 JOB 대해 뭐, 예기를 조금 하지만 JOB 대해 무슨 생각하고있냐?
하고 아직도 나랑 Serela 가 scum 이라고 생각하냐? 왜냐면 그냥 Serela와 내가 미쳤다고 생각한다는 예기 말고 아무것도 안 말했잖아.
내가 딴 post를 만들었다고그러는대 니가 그 post 에서 무슨생각하는지 예기를 안하고있잖아.

Cut by Dormio asking for another restraining order. I'm just gonna get this out there.
ㅠ ㅠ What's the matter with you? Just playing with you, is not she?

Hey, Shadoweh, I said before, and try to answer:
Why did you feel the need to provide an out for Schezo in regards to the question about JOB? If you wanted to let Schezo defend himself, would it not be better for you to ignore both accusations I made against him?
What about you, as JOB, to talk a little bit, but what I think about doing the JOB?
Serela called me and still think that's the scum? I think I'm crazy because I Serela and do not expect that I told you not do anything.
So I have created another post to orientate you in that post talking about what, though He's not doing anything.



Fuck Google Translate.

Could you please respond to the question I quoted above?
What do you think about JOB? You've picked at his bad logic, but this is all you've done in regards to JOB. Seriously, no analysis or anything to go with the "JOB being JOB" thing.
You state that you believe that Serela and I would actually be crazy enough to out each other as scum that early in the game. Do you feel like acting on this? Does this thought still hold for you?
In addition, you've stated that I have more posts to read, yet have stated nothing about them. Feel like elaborating?


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Re: Generic F11 Mafia - Day 1
« Reply #102 on: November 20, 2011, 02:57:11 AM »
Because I didn't feel the point about JOB was worth anything.

I'm not sure how I feel about JOB. I'm still gathering reads in his direction. I dislike that he's not obvtown to me yet.
I don't think you're scum at this point, so no the logic doesn't hold. Serela hasn't said anything to update the opinion in his direction.
I think something is lost in translation. I said judging you on your earliest posts isn't needed anymore since you've added zounds more content.


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Re: Generic F11 Mafia - Day 1
« Reply #103 on: November 20, 2011, 03:03:16 AM »
More JOB:
First of all this infuriates me like you don't even know.
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Also if I forgot anybody's questions just remind me and I'll get on it.
Why is it ok for you to forget someone and not follow it up when you FUCKING VOTED me over this?
Huh?
This to me, means that you lack consistency in even your ability to vote others with you own logic, so how do I not take this as scum holding double standards?

Then let's go in order:
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You implied I was sheeping for more than one thing. I wanted to know who you thought I was sheeping. I'm not just gonna let you sit there making accusations against me without some evidence or opinions. I mean, I still admitted it in the end, didn't I?
No, I stated you were sheeping.  Whether or not you were doing multiple reasons was up to your interpretation that you use against me.  Doesn't hold because that's not what happened.
Again:
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Okay then, if you think I'm sheeping, then who am I sheeping to?
This holds an air of indignant offense that, "how dare you accuse me of sheeping?!"
I tell you, and now your response is that I was just waiting to fling false accusations with no evidence.  After all this you still hold it against me even when I told the truth on a legitimate point.  So why do you feel you're still right to accuse me over this when you admitted to doing it yourself?

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You aren't coupling this with the fact that Dormio had originally voted for Shadoweh, then Shadoweh got put to (fake) L-1, then Dormio unvoted, meaning she was actually at L-3 at the time! Geez, and you say I have shitty reasoning.
This point.  Does not compute.
Reread my explanation for voting Dormio again and get back to me.

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So? Maybe he wasn't suspicious of PX enough to actually think he was scummy.  In fact, maybe he wasn't really suspicious of him at all. Because in case you didn't notice, he only expressed dislike of PX.
I don't know about you but when someone says they dislike me I take that as they thinking I'm scum.

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He never said anything like "Hey gaiz PX is doing something and you guys should check it out because it looks scummeh."
Think about it this way, I threw suspicion onto Zak earlier in the day when he put Shadoweh at (fake) L-1. I never voted him. So why aren't you attacking me for that
You're right about him not saying that quote.  You did.
You're basically forcing Dormio to vote PX. Why is it the only thing he can do? He's certainly not cheerleading. He only expressed a dislike of PX, that was all. He's not voting you while going "Hey PX has done some scummy shit so let's lynch him too!".
So why is that a reason to hold against me with Dormio when you yourself made it?  And I am attacking you for more valid reasons since Dormio's circumstance is different that yours. (For one you had a vote down)

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Oh and in case you didn't realize, most of the Dormio part of your case on me can probably be invalidated when you realize that I'm actually reffering to the post where you said he basically has to vote PX. You're stuck in the past, get with the times, because that post was already made after he voted you.
I'm not in the past because of you trying to nail me for a point you made.  Link me to this and show me how I'm wrong.

PX can have 92 since that's all him besides the point I just made but yeah, this is why I feel good with voting someone for bad reasoning and not OMGUS.

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Re: Generic F11 Mafia - Day 1
« Reply #104 on: November 20, 2011, 03:07:40 AM »
don't clarify that it was an unvote for L-1 thing,
Uh, okay. I thought it was obvious that I was unvoting due to seeing the L-1 warning put up by Zakeri a few posts before mine.
don't clarify that she's still who you want to vote and instead make a remark on PX that you dislike him.
I didn't clarify who I wanted to vote because I wasn't sure at the time. I disliked PX, but did not feel that he deserved a vote at that point in time. What of it?
Couple that with your point that means nothing but filler with Shadoweh.
I replied with filler to Shadoweh because I assumed that her comment about me replacing the real Dormio was made in jest due to the meta where I always want Shadoweh dead, yet was unvoting her.
Do you want to get Shadoweh who you had a vote on or PX who you dislike?  That's a problem in my ability to read you.  That is why I made a big deal out of it and I would appreciate if you back up out my face for that.
Why would I go back to Shadoweh, when I had only voted her due to it being RVS?
Get it now?   I was asking if you were going to vote PX since you did dislike him and didn't express that at Shadoweh.I will not let you clear someone on meta, have you seen all his recent actions?
If I did not vote, is it not apparent that I am not going to vote?
I will not let you clear someone on meta, have you seen all his recent actions?
As much as I hate meta, JOB is JOB. Lynching him would feel like a policy lynch to me, and I hate policy lynches more than using meta.
Your last three lines might as well not even be here if all you're going to say is: "X is interesting they should post.  I found this interesting."
Interesting how?  Elaborate instead of making fake content.
I wanted to see Shadoweh respond to some posts before making a judgement. The same applies to what Dan said to Zakeri.
Serela does need to post. He's doing this thing where he doesn't exist and therefore cannot be read.
Again, no I don't have just myself to blame for YOUR inability to vote someone who you had suspicion on or at the very least express willingness to vote after dropping that PX comment.  Your comment to Shadoweh in this post didn't imply or state you would vote her yet at the same time you dislike PX.
And what am I supposed to do if you misinterpret my actions? To me, a dislike is not reason enough by itself for me to get behind a lynch.

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Hi Shadoweh, keep that body warm for me. I'll get to you shortly.

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Hi Schezzy-tan-chan, stop cutting me.

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Re: Generic F11 Mafia - Day 1
« Reply #105 on: November 20, 2011, 03:15:00 AM »
It's too fucking hot to play mafia.

Anyway, I'm lumping in Shadoweh with the neutrals for now.
I'll reevaluate this when the weather cools down a bit. (haha fat chance)

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Re: Generic F11 Mafia - Day 1
« Reply #106 on: November 20, 2011, 03:23:15 AM »
More JOB:
First of all this infuriates me like you don't even know.Why is it ok for you to forget someone and not follow it up when you FUCKING VOTED me over this?
Huh?
This to me, means that you lack consistency in even your ability to vote others with you own logic, so how do I not take this as scum holding double standards?

82No, I stated you were sheeping.  Whether or not you were doing multiple reasons was up to your interpretation that you use against me.  Doesn't hold because that's not what happened.

Again:This holds an air of indignant offense that, "how dare you accuse me of sheeping?!"
I tell you, and now your response is that I was just waiting to fling false accusations with no evidence.  After all this you still hold it against me even when I told the truth on a legitimate point.  So why do you feel you're still right to accuse me over this when you admitted to doing it yourself?

This point.  Does not compute.
Reread my explanation for voting Dormio again and get back to me.

I don't know about you but when someone says they dislike me I take that as they thinking I'm scum.

You're right about him not saying that quote.  You did. So why is that a reason to hold against me with Dormio when you yourself made it?

I'm not in the past because of you trying to nail me for a point you made.  Link me to this and show me how I'm wrong.
I voted you for forgetting about me and not even mentioning me afterwards. At least with that sentence I asked people to notify me if I missed something, which implies that I'm willing to follow up on it. Why are you saying I'm not following up on it when nobody has even mentioned anything to follow up on.

Okay then I interpreted that wrong. But that invalidates you point too.

Stop using tells based on how you read it. That was made with a smug bastard mindset not and offended one. Interpretation tells like this are shitty and should not be used.

I think you need to reread it instead.

Well if someone said they disliked me I would just think they didn't like something I was doing. If they said they thought I was scummy then I would think they find me scummy. See the difference.

The thing is, I'm saying that Dormio didn't do that, but I did. Yet you attack Dormio for that reason, but don't attack me for that.

I don't need to link you at all. Look back through your posts and find the one where you said that "I was creating a situation that never happened". Because that looks like to me that you were too far back in the past. You assumed I was talking about an earlier time, but I wasn't.

I think we should stop this argument before it gets too far out of hand.

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Re: Generic F11 Mafia - Day 1
« Reply #107 on: November 20, 2011, 03:53:50 AM »
Job: No because I don't see some of your points and I'm giving you chance to reexplain them like I have Dormio incident 5 times.
Please do this because I'm questioning you because I think you're scummy.  You have a chance to redeem yourself but you aren't utilizing this by explaining your views and are instead telling me to go back and show you what I think again.  I know what I think.  I want you to tell me what you think again because the first time around you were clear as mud. 

But again, not mentioning you after is the same thing as having to have someone point out "Hey.  What happened to your comments about X?"  You should be saying them by yourself.

Like, I don't see how it invalidates my point, it does just yours. 
If you don't want me to use tells on how I read what you're saying then be more clear with how you say things.

I think we're being civil here.  But I want you to find the links and evidence so it doesn't become, you said I said. 

Dormio's flat wall with no spacing:
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Uh, okay. I thought it was obvious that I was unvoting due to seeing the L-1 warning put up by Zakeri a few posts before mine.
But it wasn't because leaving it up to others to decide creates stuff like this.

Filler thing is ok then.

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If I did not vote, is it not apparent that I am not going to vote?
No it wasn't apparent and we got into a thing because of this.  I think it's scummy for you to have no suspicion on anyone at all even if it's the RVS while at the same time expressing DISLIKE which could be reason to vote someone and instead choosing to sit there without a vote.

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I didn't clarify who I wanted to vote because I wasn't sure at the time. I disliked PX, but did not feel that he deserved a vote at that point in time. What of it?

Why would I go back to Shadoweh, when I had only voted her due to it being RVS?
Wait a minute.  We got into a thing because you had dislike of PX and no real suspicion of Shadoweh and didn't vote either.  So when I asked you what your suspicion (your dislike comment of PX) was you immediately just jump onto me for asking where your vote went?

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I wanted to see Shadoweh respond to some posts before making a judgement. The same applies to what Dan said to Zakeri.
Serela does need to post. He's doing this thing where he doesn't exist and therefore cannot be read.
Then why just say interesting instead of say, "I'm waiting for your responses."  Ugh fine this is still just null then for no clarity.

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As much as I hate meta, JOB is JOB. Lynching him would feel like a policy lynch to me, and I hate policy lynches more than using meta.
So you don't find bad logic on bad logic on bad logic scummy just because of who's saying it?  Ok then.

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And what am I supposed to do if you misinterpret my actions? To me, a dislike is not reason enough by itself for me to get behind a lynch.
Ok, but now I have you saying outright that you find people wanting to learn more about your nonexistent suspicion to vote anyone, scummy for trying to read your motives.  That is what this whole situation has played out to look like for me.  Since you just jumped on me for wanting to know what dislike of PX was.  And I don't like you for that since that's what this whole goes back to.  So we're done with this thing and I know what to think of you now.

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Re: Generic F11 Mafia - Day 1
« Reply #108 on: November 20, 2011, 04:00:55 AM »
I've explained my posts many times already. So I don't see why I have to do it anymore. You can read can't you?
And it already has become you said, I said.
I just want to end this argument here. You think I'm scummy and I think you're scummy. That's all.

Schezo

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Re: Generic F11 Mafia - Day 1
« Reply #109 on: November 20, 2011, 04:11:05 AM »
Personally insulting me isn't getting you anywhere.

No it's you make silly arguments and can't be bothered to go reread and explain when you are inconsistent and unclear as hell.
This argument will end when you reread and tell me how I'm wrong, and restate your points to something that is legible.
I already said what I think of you and you have yet to disprove it.  That would involve you, getting some links and quotes and showing me what you're thinking.

J.O.B

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Re: Generic F11 Mafia - Day 1
« Reply #110 on: November 20, 2011, 04:14:52 AM »
I already said what I think of you and you have yet to disprove it..

J.O.B

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Re: Generic F11 Mafia - Day 1
« Reply #111 on: November 20, 2011, 04:15:26 AM »
How's that for getting a quote to show you what I'm thinking?

Schezo

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Re: Generic F11 Mafia - Day 1
« Reply #112 on: November 20, 2011, 04:16:50 AM »


Then just restate and say it again.  Don't just quote yourself, say it in a more clear way for us to read it and understand.

J.O.B

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Re: Generic F11 Mafia - Day 1
« Reply #113 on: November 20, 2011, 04:18:57 AM »
It can't really get any clearer.
Why can't you just  :dealwithit:?

Schezo

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Re: Generic F11 Mafia - Day 1
« Reply #114 on: November 20, 2011, 04:26:57 AM »
Yes you can because your initial explanation for it was not clear in the slightest. 

Why is it so hard for you to reread and explain it again?
You could start by stop being belligerent and difficult.

I'm not going to "Deal with it" since what you're pulling is against the spirit of the game.  Please, can you do what I ask?

J.O.B

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Re: Generic F11 Mafia - Day 1
« Reply #115 on: November 20, 2011, 04:29:28 AM »
And how do you think I feel when you guys ask the same question over and over again while I provide the same answer every fucking time?

Shadoweh

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Re: Generic F11 Mafia - Day 1
« Reply #116 on: November 20, 2011, 04:44:41 AM »
It would be cool for you to leave the argument with that except 
SCHEZO IS TOWN
So you're only allowed to 'dwi' if you're done badgering each other and ready to find some actual scum. Not that I think they're posting right now. =.=


Kitten4u: "I'll say it plainly: THERE IS NO WAY SHADOWEH IS SCUM!" - A Balanced Game of Mafia

Shadoweh

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Re: Generic F11 Mafia - Day 1
« Reply #117 on: November 20, 2011, 04:48:49 AM »
JOB, you realize we ask you questions because the first answer wasn't good enough right? Giving the same answer over and over is your failing, not Schezo's. If people have to ask again it means expand on what you said in the first place, not repeat yourself and tell people it's their problem you don't know how to explain yourself properly. Sadly your level of belligerence has convinced me you're likely town and we cannot indulge in your destruction.


Kitten4u: "I'll say it plainly: THERE IS NO WAY SHADOWEH IS SCUM!" - A Balanced Game of Mafia

J.O.B

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Re: Generic F11 Mafia - Day 1
« Reply #118 on: November 20, 2011, 04:52:12 AM »
I've already explained myself many times, it's all perfectly clear.

SCHEZO IS TOWN
I've already asked you why you feel so strongly about this.

J.O.B

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Re: Generic F11 Mafia - Day 1
« Reply #119 on: November 20, 2011, 04:52:53 AM »
Just to clarify, that last sentence is me asking you again.