Vanilla Mafia II (Game over, town wins!)

[GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em]

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Kind of surprised that the wagon on Schezo grew so much. I personally feel that he hasn't been so bad now that he's actually posting things (read: his logic flows pretty well IMO, though I'm not sure why he dropped his Omba vote so easily). His first post did look bad early in the day but I think there's a lot of bigger stuff to worry about now that we've left the RVS.

Dislike Omba right now. The way he's attacking Schezo doesn't look like the way a townie method of pushing a case to me - he's not trying to convince other people that Schezo is scum, he's trying to convince Schezo that Schezo is scum and forcing Schezo to turtle in response. Pressuring townies into focusing only on defending themself instead of hunting scum makes sense as a scum ploy.

Dormio's obvious disconnect looks terrible to me given that I felt he was just poking at the easy stuff before he switched over to Dan. It's like he's trying to pretend his earlier opinions don't exist anymore. Dormio, how do you feel about BT and Shadoweh at this point in the day?

Currently suspicious of the manner of targeting other players that I'm seeing in Hero999's... two or so posts. <_< It doesn't look like he's trying to find scum, just that he's searching for a player who he can post a shotgun attack against to deflect all their points. By doing this, he's discrediting Dan and Schezo rather than actually scumhunting in there direction. At the very least, he should explain why the people he is voting are scum instead of just nitpicking at sections of their content.

##Vote Hero999
Think he looks the least genuine of the three at the moment.

[Hero999]

@Schezo: You accuse me of parroting. Then please, elaborate what other points were viable options to pursue.
You practically attacking me with what Omba was attacking you for. While as your was post nonsense, I was to parrot.
Omba's massive case really does not leave us much to work with due to him already declaring every single detail.

On the meta point, I never said you were scum. I said by meta you were scum. This was something you twisted into saying I believed for sure you were scum.
As well as the fact that I remembered something about British gentlemen when scum and meaner when town.
In what way is it stronger then my case on Dan?

Which is
Bad Feelings of Buddying up, Setting up a Pesco is _____ if Schezo _____ and then dismissing it soon after he was getting fire for it.
As well as attacking someone purely because they were acting completely different.

I do not like how you only point me out on parroting when there are a few others who have also done such.
Also, your quote does not exactly explain to me why the 3rd out of the 3 choices were the best. All I see from that quote is your saying you were waiting for Shadoweh's something.

Also, In what way am I worse then Dormio supposely? You clearly state you want Dormio dead. Yet your actions say you prefer me dead.

@Huh What; What exactly are you voting me for?
What I read from your vote post is this.
Hero is specifically looking for players who he can shotgun attack.
Hero is the least genuine out of Dormio and Dan.


@Actiondan: What made you feel the need to post a small *NOTE* about clearing/lynching Pesco/Schezo if the other is _____.
I also need to ask why you clarified on the subject only after you had gotten fire over it.
I also want to know why you were mostly voting PX for having a change in character.
I do not like how you only invoked meta for PX but disregard everyone else's meta.

[GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em]

Hero is specifically looking for players who he can shotgun attack.

This should have an implied (instead of scum) at the end of it. I'm having trouble seeing why you think the people you're attacking are scum from your posts, and it makes me think your scumhunting is faked.

[Kitten4u]

Dormio (2): Bardiche, ActionDan
huh what (0):
BT (0):
Bardiche (1): Serela
Omba (1): JOB
Pesco (1): Shadoweh
Schezo (3): Pesco, Omba, BT
Serela (0):
ActionDan (2): Hero999, Dormio
PX (0):
Hero999 (2): Schezo, huh what
JOB (0):
Shadoweh (1): PX

Not Voting:

With 13 alive it takes 7 to lynch.  D1 ends in ~25 hours (watch countdown)

[Schezo]

Then please, elaborate what other points were viable options to pursue.

Get some original opinions especially after this whole ordeal it would seem you'd learn however,

On the meta point, I never said you were scum. I said by meta you were scum. This was something you twisted into saying I believed for sure you were scum.

Then why say it and lie?  It is an accusation at me being scum and you just did one of two things:
-You baited me to turn this around on me
-You are backtracking because you see the error of what you said and don't want to admit it's wrong.

I mean jeez look

"I never said you were scum.  I said you were scum"

can this not get any more clear?

I personally think you just did the former so you can nail a point down on me to further my lynch and I do not like that.  It is scummy.

Then on your Action Dan point, you hold onto the miswording from him even after he further explained it.

Also, your quote does not exactly explain to me why the 3rd out of the 3 choices were the best. All I see from that quote is your saying you were waiting for Shadoweh's something.

And are you reading my words?
Are you really? 
I don't think you are. 
Go reread what Omba and I just went through and tell me, you don't understand and want your question that has already been answered, answered.

Then look back at my case:
You clearly express stronger opinions on wanting me dead, yet you voted Action Dan for a weak reason when he already explained what that meant and you're still holding that over him than the very accusing words of "quite sure your scum."
You don't throw that around if you are just going to chicken out when you get called on it and that furthers my scum read on you.
Your attempt to deflect this onto others is also noted.

I want you to tell me what that comment is?  What are you going to call it:

If I go by meta, then I'm quite sure your scum due to you being reserved, and supposedly "kind".

Are you going by meta?  Your post implies you are.

I do not like how you only invoked meta for PX but disregard everyone else's meta.

So please.

[ActionDan]

* ActionDan offers draw in slightly better position on move 15 to save 5 hours of torture.

* ActionDan sees opponent take off headphones and extend hand :V

Anyone keeping score?

Anyways I'm doing a re-read.  Questions, Answers, Fulfillment of base desires will have to wait!

[Shadoweh]

Just as a note for people: I have some weird superimposed curfew stopping me from internet-related activities at night right now, along with job type stuff. I'm pretty sure the deadline is when I'm home though. Reading komplete. People asking me if I specifically went to the mod and asked her the ratio of scum to town after the game started are stupid and I'm going to ignore you now.

Shadoweh I don't have much on, other than the fact that she deliberately used WIFOM to defend herself. Only scum would use WIFOM to defend, right? I'm pretty sure townies would rather defend with solid defenses instead.

You don't know me very well, do you? I will say anything I think will make other people think. Who taught you what WIFOM is, anyways?

Bardiche on the other hand, My opinions aren't the most original, but I think they still hold. Bardiche created a lot of noise by repeatedly going after Shadoweh and her modconfirm (for number of scum). In my opinion, that's a null tell. All we ever needed to clear this up was just a modconfirm that the ratio was indeed correct. But Bardiche had to drag it out longer than what was needed. He looks extremely town on the exterior, but I think he's hiding something on the inside.
##Vote Bardiche

Change Bardiche for Pesco and everything you've just said holds.  Why haven't you accused Pesco of anything in your posts? You're 'not too sure of him', why? In all seriousness, am I the only one feeling like JOB's posts have content written by someone else? It feels disjointed in some posts and completely thought out in others. I don't like it.

What people are saying about Schezo being defensive is true. However, it looks like a pissed off mean town Schezo more then a scummy Scumzo. I honestly don't feel the case and question if people are just voting him because it's Schezo and he's bad at words.

I had so many more words before talking to a tech for 49 minutes. -.- I need to refresh and catchup again. Still think Omba is town, Bard is town, Pesco... might actually be town but I want to know what he thinks about Schezo's latests posts. Specifically, if he thinks they feel fake, where and why is he getting that read from in them. BT is making some placating mistakes, but still more likely to be town mistakes. Serela is being Serela. Probably town. He should sleep before making a new post. =.= I don't have a feeling either way for the rest of you that goes beyond 'seems like a guy.' that I can remember.

I'm feeling a lack of consolidation and a 24 hour mark, so looking over the votes, ohshit no prods posting

[ActionDan]

You have more to say I take it?  Sooner the better!

[J.O.B]

You don't know me very well, do you?
Why haven't you accused Pesco of anything in your posts?
You're 'not too sure of him', why?
In all seriousness, am I the only one feeling like JOB's posts have content written by someone else? It feels disjointed in some posts and completely thought out in others. I don't like it.

I prefer to not use meta in games.
Because I don't find him actively suspicious at the moment. I'll give him a deeper reread on D2.
Because I haven't really read his posts in-depth yet. Getting onto that in D2.
Give an example of a disjointed one and a thought out one. I want to see what you mean. Because that is most likely my personality showing in mafia.

[Bardiche]

@Bardiche: Did you think that the mod confirmation on the setup was enough to dismiss that matter?

... Right. So we're playing a different game. I have no fucking clue what mod confirmation has to do with fucking anything, and either you're acting stupid to annoy me or you just fail to read what I'm saying. I give up on you.

ヽ(；▽；)ノ Why is everyone being scummy? Why? Why do you do this? I like Schezo a whole lot more now that he's stopped dancing with Omba alone.

Dormio proceeds to ignore the very reason I'm voting him. Try the part where I ask you to produce reads on people, because so far we don't have much of anything from you.

Serela's still going ^_^ Kyaa I'm so useless, sugoi desu yooo~ =^,^= and it makes me want to policy lynch him for being useless. Good lord. Why do you people do this? Is there some kind of particular reason you enjoy doing absolutely nothing? ;_; Tooooown.

Dan using META on PESCO. ... let that sink in a for a moment. Meta on Pesco. Good lords.

Using meta at all is bad because any player who knows what his meta is will fuck with you when you try to invoke it and it's silly.

Keeping my vote on Dormio, nothing in his post that makes me feel any better about him.

[Bardiche]

That is to say, Dan, that I'd like you not to clear people as being Scum or Town by association with ~*meta*~ because that's completely useless without more stuff to back up that person X is Town.

[Shadoweh]

ANYWAYS. Looking at the votes.. I just noticed Dan and Dormio are voting each other. Dan, how do two people sneak onto your wagon when they ARE your wagon? PX hadn't posted before you moved your vote, did you forget about him or are we facing the dreaded PX/Dormio scumteam? Eh. I'd rather lynch PX then either of them. No, not because he wants to wagon me, because I can't remember anything he's said today. It took me a minute to remember what his last post was. I -think- Dan looks better then Dormio, but when they're both green, what's the difference?

In fact, where did all the votes on PX go exactly? Can someone tell me one god damn thing he's done that's warrented the wagon on him fleeing to sink the Schezo Titanic? No, I bet you can't. Schezo is loud, Schezo gets pressured, Schezo screams like a little girl, so let's not lynch the guy who was voted for being a lurker and stopped lurking, and instead vote someone who actually is.

##Unvote
##Vote: PX

[Pesco]

Dan using META on PESCO. ... let that sink in a for a moment. Meta on Pesco. Good lords.

Hi5 Bard.

##Unvote
##Vote ActionDan

I think I'm done with my vote on Schezo. The reactions are good enough and people don't seem interested anymore.
Dan's PX and Dormio votes look OMGUS when read in ISO.

I look forward to what Dan's next post can come up with.

[Bardiche]

I chose to abandon LAL, Shadoweh.

PX's recent post is terribad though and I'm fine with going back to PX if Dormio produces answers to my question. Preferably good answers, but I'll take any answer over "lol none".

[J.O.B]

I too would be fine wih going for PX if needed. It seems to me that he has produced nothing content wise and hasn't made much of a presence either.

[Dormio Ergo Sum]

Anyone I ignore is usually because they're either neutral or town looking to me and I don't particularly care about them.
I have a lot of neutral reads right now. :V

[Dormio Ergo Sum]

Oh yeah, updated read on BT/Shadoweh.
Shadoweh looks townish to me.
BT is a thing, wouldn't be willing to push for his lynch right now and would prefer to see some more content outside of the whole Shadoweh claims to know how many scum there are incident.

[Bardiche]

Thing is, Durmio, you voted because someone didn't have reads on anyone but one person. You yourself had voted two people. Why is it scummy for said person to not have reads everywhur but you should be excused with "lol neutral everywhur"?

[Dormio Ergo Sum]

Are you talking about where I voted for Dan?
Because I voted for Dan ignoring the entirety of the game at the time and going after PX purely based on ED1 (joke?) content.

[ActionDan]

Stop the boat.  Hold the train.  Turn the plane around.

Hi5 Bard.

##Unvote
##Vote ActionDan

I think I'm done with my vote on Schezo. The reactions are good enough and people don't seem interested anymore.
Dan's PX and Dormio votes look OMGUS when read in ISO.

I look forward to what Dan's next post can come up with.

Dan's PX and Dormio votes look OMGUS when read in ISO.

Dan's PX vote looks OMGUS when read in ISO

##Unvote
##Vote Pesco
##FOS: Dormio

No Wai! No Wai Man!
Px wasn't voting me, didn't express suspicion of me, and wasn't negative to me when I voted him.  You just pulled that out of your ass.   How could you make that mistake besides sheer laziness, and not the kind that comes from anyone besides the red colored team!

I am so not satisfied with you at all.  I believe you have some sort of read of Schezo, as you claimed in #179 about his "last move" a.k.a his vote.  I'd assume you should be free to share with the class since you unvoted him.  Moreover your "vote" on Schezo is complete garbage.  It did nothing.  Absolutely nothing at all.  Glad it produced reactions for you, but that's worthless if you aren't going to say anything about them.  In fact your vote has been on me since #95.

THE PIE IS MINE THIS TIME!   
 

[PX]

##Unvote
##Vote: ActionDan

Dear god, that OMGUS is so bad that I'm gonna take another post to explain why it is :|

[GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em]

On a semi-related note, I'm a little curious what the odds of us getting a non-Dan/Schezo lynch, given that the votes are spread out pretty wonkily and those two are basically my only town reads right now.

[PX]

First off, he didn't say it was an OMGuS, he said it looked like one. Sure, what you're saying is true in that I never voted you, but that wasn't the point he was making in the first place! And then you completely flip on him and vote him because of that mistake??? And what's the point of that second paragraph? It looks more like IIoA fluff. In short, you look like desperate scum.

[Pesco]

Dan lrn2read pls.

Dan's PX vote looks OMGUS when read in ISO

As in, just your post without any other posts around it and all situations leading up to it forgotten. I thought PX had attacked you at that point. Maybe he didn't. I still don't remember yet because I haven't looked. It doesn't change the facts of the time that your votes have been terrible.

My vote on Schezo sparked it going up to L-2. So it wasn't worthless or garbage. People have gotten their own reads on him out of it and I've gotten mine now. That read is that he's not worth pursuing anymore today.

@HW: why is Dan town?

[Schezo]

You can find a wonderful scum if you take half a glance at Villain999 and see how his name matches his actions.
How would people feel about this?

Dormio has done absolutely nothing to redeem himself, still ready to kill.

[GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em]

RE: Pesco: OMGUS on you looks like something coming from town with bias against the people voting them. Overall tone of that post is that of a townie who thinks he just found a revolution.

I was a little wary of Dan earlier in the day, but have since become rather uncomfortable with the way his wagon is unfolding. He has basically been the guy who people can say "oh, this player looks kinda scummy, yeah" about on the side for the same reasons everybody else already mentioned, giving them somebody to pile onto whenever without actually having to commit to a case on him. The push against him feels rather manipulated to me, and so I do not want to see him lynched. It doesn't help that I dislike the two people at the base of his wagon.

[GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em]

*revelation, not revolution

[ActionDan]

Desperate D1 scum sure is a thing!  As in a fantasy! 

I'm quite prepared to die.  But I will do my utmost to make sure Pesco gets lynched.  His post in my eyes was the equivalence of a scum-claim.   What was to "point" he was making in the first place, because I see no "point" and no comment on any content I've posted after I voted you besides "logic error" and "Vote on Dormio looks like OMGUS."   Pesco has been tight-lipped this game and it's about time he starts talking.  The slight town read I gave him evaporated.  What you refer to as IIoA is actually important.  He kept his vote on a big bandwaggon for pressure and reaction gauging, yet has nothing to say on those reactions.  His vote did nothing.  His content D1 is worthless. 

[Shadoweh]

Pesco, stop skipping my posts. :| Where are you getting these thoughts about Schezo from? I have no way at all to track any of your thoughts. It's disconcerting for you to leave it to your readers to connect the dots themselves.

[ActionDan]

I thought PX had attacked you at that point. Maybe he didn't. I still don't remember yet because I haven't looked. It doesn't change the facts of the time that your votes have been terrible.

So you're happy to vote me without checking something like that.  times change.  Why I am scum? I don't think my votes are terrible at all.  Why am I scum? all I remember from you is that you attacked me after I voted PX.  The rest of the day has been small prods on people that hardly got people to focus on Schezo.  The only person that you influenced to talk was BT.   And his vote could probably change with the wind.