Magical Madness Mafia Day 5!

[Bardiche]

Stop QQing, Shadoweh. If you dislike it so much maybe you should stop time before posting or something so you'll have alllll the time in the world.

Hm?

I'm just pointing out the things that bug me. <_< I'm not sure what's weird about that.

>_> I dunno, using uncertain language like "seems to look a little like" at a juncture when we've yet to exit jokevote phase. Throwing out suspicions left and right to cover a broad number of people, and especially pointing towards someone who hasn't been interested yet divides Town's attention and focus and runs the hazard of enabling scum team to easier get a mislynch.

MAFIAS THEORIES OMG. Basically I think it's scummy of you to be trying to pen a new valid suspect target when we have plenty people a-twitter about the Mafias right now.

##Unvote
##Vote: Huh What

Have at thee.

[Bardiche]

Besides, how do you expect him to learn how to argue if no one engages him?

Arguing isn't a skill taught only in Mafia games, but the rest of the explanation is satisfactory to move my vote, if the above wasn't clear in that regard.

Also damnit, I planned to lurk like Zakeri and here I am posting.

[GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em]

>_> I dunno, using uncertain language like "seems to look a little like" at a juncture when we've yet to exit jokevote phase.

Ugh, this is just my writing style being horrible. When I say "looks a little like", I don't actually mean to sound uncertain, because I'm not. I just automatically word things like that so I don't sound like I think I'm absolutely 100% right about everything, because I don't like it when people do that. This is something I end up subconciously doing a lot whenever I'm talking about my opinions, and it's not limited to Mafia.

As for the rest, I don't really have much to say. I can see how you could interpret my actions that way, it's just... not the correct interpretation. I'd rather not hold back anything that jumps out at me if the rest of the town hasn't noticed it yet.

Shadoweh, your link is a link to the first post. :x

[Shadoweh]

EBWOM: S-shutup huh what, I know how to link my posts! Just pretend this was there instead okay?
http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,10806.msg714746.html#msg714746

[GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em]

Okay, confirming that I'm blind. She still bugs me.

[Bardiche]

Ugh, this is just my writing style being horrible. When I say "looks a little like", I don't actually mean to sound uncertain, because I'm not. I just automatically word things like that so I don't sound like I think I'm absolutely 100% right about everything, because I don't like it when people do that. This is something I end up subconciously doing a lot whenever I'm talking about my opinions, and it's not limited to Mafia.

Well your personality is FLAWED AND I'M LYNCHING YOUR ASS FOR IT.
... is what would be a possibility, but I don't think anyone's going to buy a case like that. To me, stating things uncertainly is a scummy trait, as it ties into the psychological effects of suggestions, which I'm not going to go in-depth for. I'm voting you based on that; attempting to get people to look at someone while displaying no confidence yourself that it is a scummy trait or certainly is Scummy Action X. Also I'm going to read your past Mafia games, I can't seem to remember you randomly popping in to say, "Hey look at this person they might be scummy" while voting someone else.

##Unvote

I admit it was a bit premature to lash at you that early, though. The chief problem here is, however, that we have no leading 'champion' to push the game solidly out of the jokevote phase. Hence why I hate jokevote phase, you tend to sit there twiddling thumbs waiting for someone to say something (un)reasonable so you can escalate matters and generate opinions.

Speaking of, you say I get cheeky when I'm scum, am I being cheeky and scummy now, Shadoweh? :V

[Bardiche]

##Vote: Chaore

Whoops forgot my vote. Complaining Shadoweh deserves to be threatened with violence while clinging to another vote is suspicious enough at this stage. :V

[GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em]

Also I'm going to read your past Mafia games, I can't seem to remember you randomly popping in to say, "Hey look at this person they might be scummy" while voting someone else.

Isn't this basically the only thing I really did last game?

Also, only one vote, etc

[Serela]

wut?

Bard, have you even COMMENTED on Chaore yet? This vote is sort of coming out of nowhere, just blatantly jumping onto the biggest wagon. And it's a wagon that I feel is pretty bad. I need to reread again to get all my stuff straight before elaborating on just how bad the Chaore wagon is (And answering Shadoweh's question), but I definitely wanted to get this out first. I mean, I don't remember a single -GOOD- reason for anyone to be voting Chaore right now, yet he's L-2.

[Serela]

Okay Shadoweh's Chaore vote isn't horrible but it's hard to remember WHY she's voting him by the time I get through her paragraph about it. It's ED1 though so :shrug: at the very least she's trying to have an actual reason, which is more then can be said for anyone else on there.

I do find it a little off that his (Chaore's) vote is still on JOB instead of someone else, though. He had a few people he definitely could have put it on after his post.

[Serela]

Serela, for the sake of my curiousity, if you had to name three people at this moment as scum, who would it be and why?

I'll do it if you do!

Saying this because I've seen scum!UK use this line all the time, and then not actually scumhunt herself. While I wait for that, though, don't worry; I'm making my response so it'll be all nice and ready the moment you answer.

[Serela]

QUADRUPLE POSTING BECAUSE HELL YEAH

My response to Shadoweh on my top three suspects is all done and pretty! I like it immensely and hope Shadoweh will soon respond so it doesn't grow stale by the time I push it out. Words need to be inputted fastly in a game like MAFIER

I put it on a quicktopic so that I have proof it was made now instead of later via timestamp, in case Shadoweh takes a long time. ...wait, does that break any rules? Brb asking PX about that

Not sure where I stand on Bard's opinion over Huhwhat poking YoukaiJesus. I definitely see what he means, but it IS also sorta true on Huhwhat's side that Jesus was sorta going unnoticed, so... eh. The mentioning of it just seemed a little unneeded, since it wasn't really all that bad yet, provided that Jesus' next post doesn't look like active lurking or something. Both things are just something to think on later, when we've got more to look at.

[Shadoweh]

Does it look like I'm not scumhunting, or that I'm hydraing with UK today? >_>
According to my rules of the Three Scummies, the obvtown would be Chaore (ignore the huge wagon) or huh what, the obvscum would be let's say Dormio or Dan, and the third lurkerscum would be one of those people who have only posted once, like the newbs or Zakeri. Hence why I'm questioning them, so they have something to answer when they come around.

Haha, I don't take long to think when I'm not making stuff up. <.<

[Shadoweh]

It also occurs to me a Youkai/Rikter/Zakeri scumteam would roll us so hard at this rate.

[Serela]

Does it look like I'm not scumhunting, or that I'm hydraing with UK today? >_>

Maybe she taught you her tactics or something? :V

It was just precautionary, don't worry.

K, here you go: Dan, Rikter, and Bardiche. For Dan you may refer to my case on him in this post.

Rikter because all he's done is tunnel-rolefishing on Huhwhat.

Bardiche for blatant bandwagon hop onto Chaore, whom he hasn't even -mentioned- so far, plus the Chaore wagon in the first place mostly being WHYYYYY.

[Shadoweh]

Speaking of, you say I get cheeky when I'm scum, am I being cheeky and scummy now, Shadoweh? :V

Well you're definitely being cheeky. It's weird to have you defending me after all that quicklynching talk. For now I think we can be friends. Let's form a ~*Townie Voting Block*~ before Dormio gets back!

Noted and documented, Serely. O_O Bard seems town to me though.

[Bardiche]

I do find it a little off that his (Chaore's) vote is still on JOB instead of someone else, though. He had a few people he definitely could have put it on after his post.

Which, ironically, is why I'm voting him. Also, are you sure I didn't mention him before? I'm sure I did. Going so far to talk about everything he dislikes about Shadoweh without voting it is enough at this juncture, and it's valid even if this were Day 7 (unless LYLO, then not voting who you find scummiest immediately is reasonable).

It's weird to have you defending me after all that quicklynching talk. For now I think we can be friends. Let's form a ~*Townie Voting Block*~ before Dormio gets back!

The last time someone suggested a Townie Voting Block, they were scum. Are you scum, Shadoweh?

[Bardiche]

Actually, Shadoweh: how do you feel about Serela accusing Rikter of "tunneling" on page 2 of D1 just as we are on the border between RVS and SRS VOET TIEM, and naming that as his highest scum pick next to ActionDan for "trying too hard"? I'm kinda thinking here it's either Chaore or Serela I want to see dead by the end of the day, because one produces ROCK HARD OPINIONS but sticks to a jokevote (after confuddling part of town by claiming hydra) and the other's opinions are all sorts of "TRYING WAY TOO HARD", especially given he's voting ActionDan for "trying way too hard".

It's becoming a contest here on who's trying too hard to catch scum and failing; I agree ActionDan's doing some of it by taking the Dormio vote so obviously serious and hardcore, but seriously? Rikter's scum for tunneling? I mean, what? Come on?

[Bardiche]

I missed the part where it's "tunnel-rolefishing", but then Rikter is in his first game here that I've seen him play. Are we seriously going to treat newbies as prime lynch material again for doing the obvious and asking for an explanation of actions that make no immediate sense? Huh What was obviously doing something ~*abnormal*~, and it's a prime way to get newbies to wonder what you're doing.

Fantastic, you're all scum again. And I opened this game hoping I'd have new views. ;_;

[Hero999]

@PX: That was not the right phrase for this situation!...maybe it was but still! We are not at each others throat or are we watching 2 people killing each other for their ideals!

Is there ever going to be a game where we really policy lynch Shadoweh?

@Shadoweh: Repeat your question, I don't think I quite caught it.
Also, I don't like how easily your throwing around joke teams so easily. Are you trying to make us more paranoid?
Just by declaring a set up like that make me think about it. I can't say the same for anyone else, but that got me unsettled.

@G-Serela: I find the fact that none of your scum picks are any of the suspects of the moment scary. :< (Not that I can really say this)
Also, is it really that easy for your to pick out your scum picks?
I always find it difficult to just point and go I believe they are scum. With how easily you do it, I'm suspicious of you.

@huh what: I can't say I really agree with Youkai Jesus trying to blend in...more like being the only one actually following the policy lynch thing..? blah I don't know.

@Bardiche: What made you switch to Chaore? I believe he has not posted in awhile, so what made you switch?
I find it strange that you voted Chaore before he has had the chance to speak. Your blurb also does not really explain to me much!

[Serela]

Bardiche, I think you're REALLY overreacting :P

I never said I wanted Rikter lynched, I DEFINITELY never called him prime lynch material. Shadoweh wanted the top three people I'd pick as scum if I absolutely had to pick right now. There is very little to go on, and Rikter's entire posting history so far being rolefish-votes isn't great, even if it doesn't make him outright scum.

Cut by PX overreacting too. Jesus. I never said they're so totally scum yet everyone instantly reacts like I did. ;_; All they are, are the top three worst people in my eyes right now... and since we're in EARLY DAY ONE, that's not really super significant!

[Serela]

Oh. I meant to say Hero, not PX. Derp.

[Serela]

Basically, what it looks like right now is everyone jumping on me because OH GOD I ANSWERED SHADOWEH'S QUESTION EVEN THOUGH THERE ISN'T ACTUALLY 3 PEOPLE I'D LYNCH RIGHT NOW.

This makes me sad ;_;

[Chaore]

<Chaore> ...
<Chaore> @8ball Is this game going to be like pulling teeth?
<Keine-tan> What are you asking me for?
<Keine-tan> You can read the thread, can't you?

@shadoweh: So many things wrong with this, mostly that it's coming from you. I'm agreeing with Serela saying UK taught you her methods, because your first action to a possible suspicion is to 'VOTE THE SHIT OUT OF IT YEAH'.

Okay, to chop down your reasoning 1. Is because I point out the ways ActionDan's vote is awful and flawed and made of a misconception I admit is more likely to unintentional, and then don't actually vote him for having an awful case that is more than likely unintentionally and based off a misunderstanding.

2. Because I dare say your clears seem kind of flimsy and bendable. Which they are, seeing as you just took your town clear and bent it straight into a god damn scum vote. Do you see where I'm going with that now?

It still bugs me you ignored Action Dan because there seems to be no reason why you would particularly ignore Action Dan, and while I probably presented it wrong. This is not being alleviated.

You also say 'Hey how dare you not move your vote from job.' and then voted me when you did the same thing not too long ago, pretty much, by voting Zakeri. I'm not exactly smiling here Shadoweh.

I'm not exactly mentally agreeing that this all works out to scum!shadoweh, but my gut is saying there is no way Town!Shadoweh would actually make a post like the one you made voting on me. ##unvote, ##Vote: Shadoweh.

@Bardiche: Explaining that wording is simple. See, when people see a bear their reaction is naturally to get worried.

My reaction is to attempt to punch the bear in the face. It is very lucky that I haven't met a real bear yet. So when I say 'I want to punch someone in the face' I mean 'I'm worried about their actions, and desire to punch them in the face because their face is also probably really punchable'

Your vote seems like an excuse to pull off from applying pressure elsewhere because I'm away and probably won't be back for a bit, which is annoying but not necessarily scummy.

I'm sorry if you seemed to have looked at it and went 'Chaore is clearly wanting Shadoweh lynched and not just suspicious and wants his question answered'. That's not what happened, I'm just very punch happy.

[GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em]

After further pondering, Shadoweh, Chaore and Bard are all early town reads for me. Stop squabbling, please. :< Chaore's case on Shadoweh makes little sense to me, but I think that it is simply an OMGUS coming from a townie who just has a jaded point of view because he's getting voted. He is the shakiest of the three reads due to the awkward prioritization that bugged me earlier, though.

People are suddenly throwing around accusations of tryhard a lot, which I think is silly, because now it's just being used as a buzzword. Trying too hard by itself isn't a scumtell, unless you can back it up by saying why you think the manner in which the player is "trying too hard" is scum-intended. People don't seem to actually be doing this. I don't agree with the Serela case, I just think he's silly and basing his cases on misconceptions (which makes sense, because people shouldn't be expected to have three solid scumpicks on page 3, that's ridiculous).

I get the impression that most of the scum haven't shown themselves yet, and if this page is going to continue to be the same few people chatting back and forth with eachother, they won't really feel any need to do so. I want to hear from Dormio and YJ especially.

[Dormio Ergo Sum]

So I was meant to post once I got home last night, but getting locked out does terrible things to your motivation.
Anyway!
I like how Shadoweh waffles or fencesits on everybody that's posted before her in #36 before encouraging a continuation of the RVS mindset by placing her vote the one person she doesn't mention.
In addition, she invokes WIFOM to give her temporary clear of Chaore and she calls JOB town, despite making it seem like she has suspicions of him. She follows this up with some questioning of JOB, from which she gets a town read on him? Despite the fact that she doesn't seem to like his behaviour?
Chaore brings up a good point in #49 about Shadoweh ignoring ActionDan, to which Shadoweh responds in #50 by voting for Chaore. This post gives me some OMGUS vibes. (Also, this is her first serious vote)
She explains her reasoning behind not mentioning ActionDan to be because she thought he was town, but then shouldn't this have also applied to a majority of the people in your #36?
Why did you specifically skip ActionDan?
Also, #59, Shadoweh claims to be arguing with JOB purely for the sake of arguing?
To me, the first part of Serela's #54 seems to be like more of a demoralizing statement, where we shouldn't question anything that's happening because we'll find out when it's our time to know?
Why wouldn't you be able to get anything helpful out of asking scum about what the hell they're doing? If they're lying, and contradict themselves later, that is something good that came out of it, no?
Why are you trying to deny town opportunities for extra information that could cause scum to trip over themselves?
And why are you defending Chaore so much in #68/69?

##Unvote
##Vote Serela

[Polaris]

Hi guys I'm back from school.

huh what vote was a jokevote. I posted at like midnight or something and chose the person that stood out the most. :V
It's all right now, huh what. You aren't not very cool now. You're just uninteresting, as always.

##Unvote
##Vote: ActionDan

Dan has the whole "overreacting to Chaore's random vote" thing, but then there's also "I don't feel comfortable with your post" which is kind of an odd (and maybe a little forced) reaction to what was a jokevote. Do you mind explaining? :L

Other views coming soon, maybe.

[Serela]

To me, the first part of Serela's #54 seems to be like more of a demoralizing statement, where we shouldn't question anything that's happening because we'll find out when it's our time to know?

There is a difference between questioning and blatant rolefishing.

Why wouldn't you be able to get anything helpful out of asking scum about what the hell they're doing? If they're lying, and contradict themselves later, that is something good that came out of it, no?
Why are you trying to deny town opportunities for extra information that could cause scum to trip over themselves?

And WHY would they tell you ANYTHING? It's d1. Do you really think ANYONE would claim powers, especially scum? It's a waste of time, and also brings attention to what could possibly be a town powerrole. I'm talking about rolefishing in general by the way, not just this situation.

Also, it's also because it's not just that they're rolefishing, there was actually voting on Huhwhat purely over that, too. That's not even scumhunting. That's either hounding on a powerrole regardless of alignment, or just going after someone for silly RVS shenanigans (Which is also the entire case on Chaore btw, if your name is not Shadoweh. :I)

And why are you defending Chaore so much in #68/69?

'cause the wagon on him is TERRIBLE. It really is. Shadoweh is the only person who isn't voting him for doing random-number-generator voting, last I checked.

Also, instead of saying anything about why he voted Chaore, Bard just goes and votes other people instead. Hmmmmmm.

[Serela]

I'm gonna laugh so hard if Huhwhat just voted Shadoweh 3 times for the hell of it, by the way.

[Shadoweh]

Trying hard is a town tell guys, geez.

No Bard, I'm just following me new meta of stealing UK's playstyle. Next thing you know I'll be shooting you tonight. @_@

On Serela, I wasn't expecting super special heart cases from Sereley, so I don't mind his reasoning. These are files for later use. I think voting him solely for this reason would be ridiculous.

Hero: I was asking for your reads, which you just gave more of. Let's say sure, I'm trying to make you more paranoid. What would that accomplish exactly? But no, that was simply me being humorous.

Teh Chaore: Nya~ It's not my fault UK told me being voted is a scumtell! Towniness is a continuum. If my reads were unbendable it would be because I already know your alignment and I care more about being consistent then changing my mind. I wonder how much your choice of which attacker to go after has to do with the amount of votes I hold next to you.

You also say 'Hey how dare you not move your vote from job.' and then voted me when you did the same thing not too long ago, pretty much, by voting Zakeri. I'm not exactly smiling here Shadoweh.

Do tell me how my abandoning a joke vote to go after someone being scummy in front of me equates to you not abandoning a weaker vote to come after me. Or how these two situations are anything alike at all.
I have noticed Serela is correct about my voting bedfellows. It's against my current policy to dismiss someone just because the people voting for him don't look the best. Will consider other votes when not so sleepy.

UK, quiet, we can't change our vote to Dormio just because he's hating on us. No, not even because he didn't banter with us about voting blocks, we don't know if he would be all serious buisness as scum! Yep, still got a town read on JOB. Doesn't mean I like him any more then usual. I didn't say I think Dan is town, you want a punch in the nose? The part about arguing for the sake of arguing applies to Rikter, not JOB. You're not reading me very closely.