Welcome, Dormio, to Medaka Box Mafia!
You are Kamome Tsurubami, The One Closest to being the Main Character(Action-Immune Serial-Killing Paranoid Gun Owner)
(http://i597.photobucket.com/albums/tt56/haeun0719/Medaka%20Box/300px-Kamome_Tsurubami.png)
You, the Dark Hero, deserve to be the main character instead of that spineless Shonen Jump fanatic. However, as much as you would like to demonstrate how deserving you are of the title 「Main Character」, this popularity poll is not the way to do it. You don't want to be associated with an immature brand like Shonen Jump after all. You'll just let the others fight out this particular battle. There's always next time, after all.
As the one closest to being the main character, you obviously hold several powers in addition to your ability to post in thread and vote:
- Combat Expert (General): You have the ability to recognize and counter any attack before it even begins and possess inhuman reaction speed to compliment this ability. Naturally, this proves to be exceptionally useful in combat. Your expertise will allow you to get the upper hand on anyone that would attempt to target you and kill them. In addition to this, you may make your very own attempt to kill a player of your choice every night.
- Kamome System (Abnormality/Minus/Style): The Kamome System is what makes you the strongest student within all of Hakoniwa Academy. Formed by combining your Abnormality 「Spinning Angler」, Minus 「Octopus」, and Style 「Provocations User」, the Kamome System allows you stop anyone in their tracks. The Kamome System will allow you to prevent any and all actions that target you during both the day and night phase from taking effect.
You win when every other player has been eliminated or nothing can prevent this from happening. Best of luck.
All Fiction (Minus): Your minus, All Fiction, allows you to deny the existence of any parts of reality that inconvenience you. This is great, since that pesky "Dead" status tends to appear on you more than most others. You may message the moderator to use your minus ONCE (1) during a day phase to prevent a lynch from having ever occurred. You must submit this action before the lynch actually occurs. Alternatively, you may use your minus during the night to prevent a player of your choice from acting or being acted upon. You may not use your minus twice during a single day/night phase.
Actually this feels like it probably softconfirms Sacchi as town since we can rest fairly sure they targetted SkyPal
@Dormio: If someone's vote was blocked for the duration of the day phase, would that affect the amount of votes required to lynch?No.
Cuts:Maybe I should just go ahead and vote Bard if all these people are coming in gunning for his lynch. We have the mislynches to go around even if a "disaster" like an extra kill occurs and it's hard to imagine anyone other than Dan (or maybe me? but I really doubt it) getting lynched tomorrow.Why do you say these things. -_- This is also what you said about Oarfish. Have you ever considered thinking before lynching?
Why do you say these things. -_- This is also what you said about Oarfish. Have you ever considered thinking before lynching?
Why did you target Shadoweh on N1 and who did you attempt to target on N2?
What's stopping you from claiming your condition?
Did you tell any of this to NNR? Did NNR crumb this in the thread anywhere?
Why didn't CF7 claim when he was at L-1? There was literally no reason for him not to, given we know that at least one person was on the opposing wagon. If Bardiche was scum, that leaves two scumbuddies on the countering wagon, and he just gives up? No.I personally think this is a strong case for Bard!town anyway.
Remember when Dormio fakeclaimed a restriction after dragging everyone into a QT and Serela was all, "Well I don't even want to think about Dormio scum"? Then I pointed out a flaw in his claim and everybody agreed Dormio should have rightfully won.Do you feel like Serela should have rightfully won along with you? :D
Shadoweeeeeee come ride the Serelapony.LET ME GET MY MAGIC RESULTS FIRST OKAY
It isn't.Why didn't CF7 claim when he was at L-1? There was literally no reason for him not to, given we know that at least one person was on the opposing wagon. If Bardiche was scum, that leaves two scumbuddies on the countering wagon, and he just gives up? No.I personally think this is a strong case for Bard!town anyway.
The counter question to that is why didn't you do it the other way around? You didn't seem to suspect Neko, why didn't you claim only to him and havve him do the crumbing?
Because neighbour makes me paranoid as fuck, especially considering investigative + neighbour is pretty damn strong.Wasn't the neighborhood in NHK a perfect counterexample?
Night 1 I tracked Shadoweh, and Shadoweh did not commit the kill.I assume Shadoweh can corroborate your statement otherwise you would not have said it. Still waiting on Shadoweh's Dormio magic too, however.
we're not lynching Bard on the grounds that I'm willing to bet real money that SB jailkept Bardiche last night.How much money :3
Why didn't CF7 claim when he was at L-1?I think that CF7's role was critical for the scum team. Without him they are stuck to one kill a night. I can't see how CF7 would have just laid over and died to prevent a Serela counterbus, because what possible scum role is more valuable than extra kills? If CF7 had died instead of (other theoretical scum) there would be three or four extra dead people today...and it would be LYLO or game over already.
Night 1 I tracked Shadoweh, and Shadoweh did not commit the kill.
Conqueror: How much money :3If CF7 was the most critical scum role, and he was scumbuddies with Zak and Bard pushing a counterwagon on town Serela, I don't see how he wouldn't have claimed something that town would really not want to lynch.
I think that CF7's role was critical for the scum team. Without him they are stuck to one kill a night. I can't see how CF7 would have just laid over and died to prevent a Serela counterbus, because what possible scum role is more valuable than extra kills? If CF7 had died instead of (other theoretical scum) there would be three or four extra dead people today...and it would be LYLO or game over already.
Also the fact that Serela kept on apologizing to Sky_PaladinI apologize to people over stuff "in case you're town" on a regular basis I think, although then again I guess it hasn't happened super recently? It used to be a lot more prevalent. The only one that specifically comes to mind is IHNN getting lynched d1 of 10D Mafia.
I also highly doubt CF7 could give extra kills; if so, maybe once in the game, certainly not every night. >_> I imagine in the redacted parts of the PMs there are things about no double killing actions.SB said he asked Dormio and that Dormio said "Yes That's An Extra Kill", although he'd have to get off a fifth night action to use it again and still not be the only scum left, so, the game would be over before a second doublekill is possible.
Conq I admittedly cleared based on the Dreaming God claim
And I doubt Conqueror would know what the effect of his Dreaming God ability had on today.I asked, there was no effect.
is there any reason why you're not telling us about your upgrade or is it just for the sake of ambiguity
Because I am so kind and benevolent, I will not kill you. You will, however, be restricted to only ONE post every 6 hours for the remainder of the day and during the next day phase.Serela has been modkilled.
Genius Intellect (Abnormality): Your intellect is so great that, had you wished it, you could have easily entered any of the special classes from 10 to 13. However, you are far too lazy to put in the effort required to join any of those classes and would rather sleep in class 1 instead. As a result of your laziness, you will not be able to act during the following two phases after taking any action.
Real Eater (Minus): You are the owner of the most disgusting skill in the world, Real Eater. If given the chance to use this ability, you may eat a target player's ability during the night and alter it in an appropriate fashion. Your alterations will begin taking effect when the following day phase starts and last until the next night phase ends.
@mod Will LYLO be announced?*YLO will be announced.
that thing I said about there being no roleblocker? I take it back because I was roleblocked again.
@Mod If there was only one scum left, could they kill and perform another night action on the same night?Maybe.
I think Shadoweh might be the last scum.Shouldn't it be LYLO right now if you're Hated town, Conqueror?
Shouldn't it be LYLO right now if you're Hated town, Conqueror?No, because my hated isn't active in LYLO. See any of Dormio's discussions about Hated roles in LYLO and you'll see that it makes sense.
Shouldn't it be LYLO right now if you're Hated town, Conqueror?So do you think I'm scum?
Conq: Do I think you could be scum? I certainly think you're the kind of scumbag that would leave me alive for laughs. I'm not sure if you're the kind who would kill NekoNekoRex and Rawr over the current list of alive people. You're certainly the kind that would be arguing that I lynched my own scumbuddy instead of you when you gave me control of the lynch.Actually, you're probably right about that, I could see myself keeping you alive for laughs. Although it's not the case in this game. :V
Hmm. Is it okay if we wait for people like Zak to check in?Clearly a callout to tell my scumbuddy to post, amirite?
Yeah mmm the most I came up with from this read-through is a bunch of townreads. Just makes me want to stay on CF7. He's still showing a lack of initiative and "rawr is town now, kingault is scum" came way too easily like he was just trying to reach a read quota.This is probably the most interesting BT post I could find. It contains the things that pinged me off about him first on D1; the prods on dan/rawr/sacchi didn't feel sincere.
The other people I'd like look at are NNR, Conq and Bard for content that "checks out" but feels a bit off in places. Off the top of my head, Conq's take on CF7 and NNR in #120 (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,16555.msg1077366.html#msg1077366) (didn't feel like he read some of the CF7 cases, and NNR's vote on SkyPaladin was unique enough), NNR's take of CF7 and Zak in #154 (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,16555.msg1077411.html#msg1077411) (not sure what exactly bothers me about the CF7 thing but his opionion on Zak feels like it's using the wrong reasons, like what does "pushes it a bit while not being hyperagressive" even mean, is he even addressing the cases on Zak here and what's he doing if he isn't?) and Bard's comment on Zak in #182 (outright dislike this one, Zak explains his opinion on CF7 well and explains why he chose to vote Serela instead just as clearly, calling it a lazy vote is just scummy). NNR would probably be off the hook if CF7 flips scum despite his thing with worrying about the wagon size.
Sacchi might be worth looking into as well. People pointed out how he's paranoid and that's good (IDR who) but I think he's overdoing it, like he's pointing out every little thing because why not. Take the comment on Bard/Serela for exampe.
There's Dan and rawr too. Shadoweh, how sure are you on these guys? I'm kind of like "eh idk". rawr being proactive is fantastic (seriously) but I'm not sure it's indicative of anything. It kind of felt like he ignored me or other people telling him about CF7 just so he could talk more about me.
Don't find anyone else interesting.
Dormio should stop trying to fix every little thing going on, it's ultimately worse than letting the players deal with their own mistakes because it results in mod intervention like this. ::) I could claim that Oar just got a lot more townie.Scum mad that Dormio clarified Oarfish's claim?
My vote is somewhere between an inquiry and a suspicion. I want to see what his thought process was behind the defense. I don't like how he makes a point of refuting the accusation but doesn't actually go anywhere with it, or do anything else until he was prodded.I don't see what's scummy about refuting an accusation and not going anywhere if there's nowhere to go that early in the game. It's something that Raikaria gets attacked for doing both as town and scum, so I'm wondering what you were thinking with this query.
I'm inclined to think Sky Paladin also claimed his role truthfully and that he committed the kill while Zak was actually using O4rfish's role. Scumplay has been five flavours of retarded.I don't see this wild accusation coming from scum about to be lynched (as that what it seemed like before I came in with my Serela case). Also I agree with the fact that scumplay has been five flavours of retarded. I still don't know what CF7 was doing. Admittedly one of the reasons I came into today going ???? about Shadoweh is that I considered that both CF7 and Zak were staging conversations with Shadoweh as they were about to be lynched and that's why CF7 decided not to fucking claim for some reason, but I don't think that's the case now.
;-;REMEMBER THAT TIME YOU TOLD ME I WAS SCUMMY FOR SAYING THE SCUM WAS SCUM AND VOTED ME. >:< AND THEN YOU LAUGHED AT ME FOR IT
Shadoweh you're physically hurting me here by saying my play is scummier than BT's. It's more that BT has played a really good game regardless of his alignment here.
For Day 3, the choice of whether or not to lynch Zak was up to Shadoweh instead of anyone else. It would be similar to huhwhat arguing for Shadoweh's lynch in that kingmaker game.
As for D1, well, read my interactions between CF7 and Zak and conclude if you think the best way for me to defuse a wagon on my scumbuddy was to attacking the scumbuddy bussing him to get him off onto another wagon which I wouldn't end up supporting anyways.
Actually, that does remind me of something, although this is getting dangerously close to modgaming. Shadoweh, you said that Dormio linked you to a troll video when you asked him about your result? Did you ask him if you were roleblocked? I mean otherwise I assume you would have just gotten a normal result wrt your watch as in "no one visited etc."I assumed I would just have gotten a normal result too, hence thinking I was roleblocked. I'd rather not spell out my mod communications but I didn't ask for clarification until today. Frankly I was happier thinking that my watch was roleblocked and that it didn't matter who I targetted. <_<
Dormio sent me amusing messages in response to me asking about where my day effects were.
BT, explain again why you wanted CF7 lynched on D1? I reread the discussion and again the most I'm getting is "lacks initiative," so I'm wondering how you distinguished that from lazy!town CF7, if you were thinking that way. Also, why did you change your opinion on Zak?First part: gladly. Second part is answered in the reply to SkyPal.
What was bad about the Bard vote was that he didn't put a reason for it and just sheeped somebody (me), then as soon an actual claim appeared sheeped on to Serela. After BT worked so hard it seems strange for him to flip around like that. That said, he was suspecting Bard also on day 4, so. Maybe that's why.Yes, that is why. >_> I thought it was Bard and Zak for a while and my scumread on Bard was even stronger than the one on Zak until Zak decided to claim foregoing the extra shot he had and some other things, plus people wanted to lynch Zak first. I quicklynch when I'm sure of my choice. I thought the game was going to end yesterday, except Conq showed up with what I thought was a really good case and roleshens supported Bard being town, so I just defected in a flash. Interesting note - that roleshen reasoning is dead now since Shadoweh could be the justification behind the ninja kill, not Bard. Works the other way around too, but I think it's Bard.
Oh, yeah, one preemptive question - Shadoweh, what made you think you were roleblocked?I dunno, what would you think? (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HaoySOGlZ_U)
? on: March 18, 2014, 05:04:44 pm ?Then questioned me about my role use and lack of condition claim at:
? on: March 18, 2014, 08:27:04 pm ?and continues to be posting until:
? on: March 18, 2014, 09:36:21 pm ?After this, there is a gap until:
? on: March 19, 2014, 12:49:00 am ?when he votes Serela with no previous mention of Serela that Day Phase. The significance I want to point out here is that between 5 PM and 8:25 PM, there was a lot of time for BT to have written a case. He chooses not to, but hangs around for an hour posting short posts without building a case of anything. Three hours later, he votes Serela instead. If BT is Town-aligned, then why did he not spend a moment of that time trying to point Town in the direction of Scum through arguments and such? My answer: BT isn't Town, and he didn't particularly care a lot who gets lynched. But he couldn't justify staying on a claimed Tracker.
CUT: you missed Bard's vote.You can't prove that.
No one hammer. BT, did you ever fullclaim?I claimed Tokemichi Choujabaru, The Judge. I claimed to be "an ascetic". I'm going to say it now - I would have probably said "Ascetic" in my second post in the game or "The Judge(Ascetic)" when I fullclaimed earlier, but there's more to it than that. I'm still mulling over whether I should reveal it or not. I'll reach a decision by the end of the day.
The question is - why take the NK when you could just use the extra kill while the other scum uses the NK?
So what you're saying is, SB, that you asked Dormio if one of the kill abilities in CF7's flip indicated that Scum had an extra kill? And Dormio confirmed this to be true?
I asked him what the second ability was and he said it was a vig shot, or something like that. idr the exact conversation.:o
<REDACTED> (General): <REDACTED>
Remodeling (Abnormality): Your abnormality allows you to remodel others, or even yourself, to gain new abilities or enhance existing ones. Lately the introduction of all these minuses have caused you to remodel yourself so that you possess one yourself, but you certainly wouldn't mind having more. Every time a player with a minus is killed, you will experiment on their corpse until you figure out how their minus works so that you can take it for yourself.
Ice Fire (Minus): Ice Fire is the first minus you've gained by remodelling yourself. During the night, you may use your control over ice and fire to kill a player of your choice. You may not use this ability in conjunction with any of your other abilities. <REDACTED>
Zak interactions are few. At least from Zak's side, which I'm focusing on.Bad practice. You're missing out on a lot of implausible scumbuddy interactions by looking at less than 10% of them.
Zak with BT is the case on BT during Day 2. This comes after Zak's admission that he has a hard time pushing people as Scum due to not bothering to find out alignments much. The interesting part is that Zak in his next post drops the case, citing his reads on BT being somewhat reversed. "Reversed enough" not to be a priority. He has this case he is perfectly willing to drop without expounding much on the why.I gave him the equivalent of a boot to the face with my response to the case and he proceeded to bugger off. What does this tell us except I felt like grilling my supposed scumbuddy and undermining their only serious case?
And that's it. His connections to Conq are lacklustre (explaining scum playstyle a bit and other pleasantries), and his connections to Shadoweh and Sky Paladin are non-existent.Shadoweh's connections to Zakeri, Conq's connections to Zakeri, SpyPal's connections to Zakeri and my connections to Zakeri, on the other hand, sure do exist.
A case of Bard!Scum on roles alone is absurd. How am I supposed to defend from speculation about my role and the setup? A case of Bard!Scum based on play assumes I neglected to bus CF7 on Day 1 and instead stuck out my neck by not jumping on the easy case, and that on Day 2 I went hard against my neighbour and argued with him for the sake of saving a Townie when I could've as well latched on.The other version: you try pushing substandard Serela in hopes that it'll take off in place of the CF7 wagon which will wither and roll over due to lack of content. Didn't happen, shoot, what'cha gonna do. You didn't stick out your neck that much - you just gave the occasional "CF7's probably still a newbie wagon, it's easy, the wagon's bad" line without addressing CF7 or the people on the wagon while clamping on Serela like nothing else was nearly as important. A case on Scum Bard sure does have this in it.
And I stand by that I didn't think of CF7 as true blue Scum because the way he behaved was so stupidly retarded it just made no sense.You know who else behaved stupidly retarded? Kingault. Didn't stop you from grilling him while passing CF7 over some simple ED1 post. Stupid and retarded does not a mafioso make, anyway.
So there's Scum!BT. The rolefish (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,16555.msg1080000.html#msg1080000) here is something that's catching my eye now on a reverse ISO. I think it's significant, because a lone Scum in the current situation'd need as much info as he can. That Sacchi died on the following Night is significant, because it shows Scum was genuinely worried about the motivator. I postulate that Scum!BT was worried about the motivator powers, and since he's claimed Ascetic would be ineligible to ever receive one.You don't even bother seeing this thought process through to the end. Let's say I'm scum and I was concerned. What did I gain from knowing that it's temporary and not permanent? That only makes it less of an issue. The role query isn't actually significant to any of this and you're forcing meaning into it even though I plainly said it was out of curiosity. Townies get curious too. I'm sure it's in my meta somewhere.
The significance I want to point out here is that between 5 PM and 8:25 PM, there was a lot of time for BT to have written a case. He chooses not to, but hangs around for an hour posting short posts without building a case of anything. Three hours later, he votes Serela instead. If BT is Town-aligned, then why did he not spend a moment of that time trying to point Town in the direction of Scum through arguments and such? My answer: BT isn't Town, and he didn't particularly care a lot who gets lynched. But he couldn't justify staying on a claimed Tracker.Oh man.
In fact I hardly see BT mentioning Serela anywhere in the thread and I'm on Day 2 already. His vote on Serela seemed very laissez-faire and #YOLOFUCKIT #shotsfired #forthewin, so my suspicions are heavily on BT right now.This has never happened to BT ever, or any other player for that matter. Sheeping is the devil.
Another point of interest: The quicklynch of SkyPal (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,16555.msg1078298.html#msg1078298). The content being so "scum-motivated" is an interesting point in the face of BT clearing SkyPal later. In this post (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,16555.msg1079071.html#msg1079071) he even backpedals a bit from "up for quicklynch, content scum-motivated" to "I was afraid he was Town"; how does this work, suggesting quicklynches on people you're considering may be Town?You're actually taking things out of chronological order. I thought his play was scummy but I was still doubtful. Then came the walls which I was convinced were too misguided to be town at the time, painting people scummy and flinging accusations left and right, reminiscent of Scum SkyPal, expert bullshitter. Then came the VT claim and I came to the conclusion that the whiteknights in the thread - you're in there - might be right.
How about instead of gaming the setup you play the game and look over my case on BT, consider its points, and/or make a case on someone else instead?2/3 done. Analysis time.
Your minus, Raff-Rafflesia Twisted Version Type「Bondage」, allows you to defile the very earth and shape it to your liking. During the night you may use this minus to trap a player of your choice and kill them. You may only use this ability once. You may not use this ability in conjunction with any of your other abilities. You will regain the use of this ability once if you have used every ability at your disposal.Does this ability do anything other than the ability to kill a player of the person's choice? Would it be possible for this ability to be used alongside a kill from another mafia team member?
Bard or Serela are really the prime suspects imo. I don't even suspect Dan anymore because his hanging around comments were all 'lynch Zak plz'Curious, why did you think Bard was a prime suspect yesterday? The posts before that pretty much showed that you thought Bard was town.
@mod Does this ability do anything other than the ability to kill a player of the person's choice? Would it be possible for this ability to be used alongside a kill from another mafia team member?If it did anything other than killing the target of the player's choice, it would be stated explicitly in the description.
Conq: I thought Serela was pretty damn town too and I was still considering supporting a wagon on him yesterDay. I'm p sure I said we should lynch between them even. And screw you for trying to frame not picking someone you have no guarentee is actually town and who isn't a cop as the 100% only target considering I had night-action proof that Bard was likely an investigative role.I just think it's weird. I can't help this, this game is confusing and I've had varying town reads on everyone here right now throughout the game.
Shadoweh, you checked yourself n1 yeah? You saw Hikaru and Bard. Night 2 skipped. Night 3? Night 4? Night 5?If you're going to ask why Bard tracked Dan, one has to ask why you thought he was scummy enough to shoot too :p
SB jailed Sky n1, Bard n3, ??? night 4
Bard tracked Shadoweh n1, n2 skip, n3 ???, n4 ???, n5 Dan why.
I was actually musing about my play on D2 for reasons I won't delve into, so this is fresh in my mind.This is me referring to how on D2 I was a little annoyed at my inability to control obvtown-being-ness, which made me want to analyze my own play. Annoyed because I had a death wish and wanted to be shot.
*by drop off I don't mean in terms of physical posts since she actually posts more after D1. I dunno, it's just a feeling thing. :v Probably because this game had way too many posts in general.I 'dropped off' a little after the Sky Paladin wagon changed to Oarfish because arguing with people about Sacchi's action that I didn't want to fullclaim and having their response be 'maybe vanilla townies explode on contact like Kuribohs' made me want to kill myself, and Kingault/Oarfish's slot was questionable enough that I was okay with the lynch. If you're going to ask why my posts dropped off on Kingmaker day when I literally didn't have to post anything but pictures of me playing checkers..
Oh god, what. So your ability is an abnormality then?My character is Medaka Scrooge McDuck. We have a very loving and identical philosophy.
Forgot to claim my character. Najimi Ajimu.
Shadoweh, did you ever claim your character?
Oh god, what. So your ability is an abnormality then?Yeah, I said so a few days ago.
You're being super cheeky, you know. I Believe in Bardiche Town due to both his claim checking out and his reason for supporting Sky P town checking out with the condition he's claimed.Elaborate.
Cut: >_> You mean three PASSIVE roles, right. I don't consider mine protective. Also you are basically claiming Paperblade's role from Mirai Nikki. Being an investigation immune bp doesn't make me any less inclined to lynch you.I consider watcher a protective role, though I said "sort of" because it's a butchered role if true. I thought a JK and BP were enough, so.
I'm not overreacting. I am literally beyond reproach this game. I am going to start taking your attempts to throw shit at me as desperate scumclaims to find a crazy last lynch. I am your Townie Queen God and Master and you can kiss my obvtown scum-slaying-despite-your-best-efforts ass.Okay. If my attempting to converse with you and get a townread on you is a desperate scumclaim, then move your vote off of BT and onto me. Seriously, Shadoweh, what the fuck.
Let me spell it out for you: It was vitally important for the scumteam that Zakeri lived through Day 4. If Zakeri had lived, scum would have killed SB and Zakeri would have gotten his governor shot. With no known vigilante to counter this, Zakeri would have been guarenteed to waste at least one more day, removing attention from the fact that he was left alive in the first place, even if his vig shot didn't go through.Okay, you know you could have just said this earlier instead of passive aggressively telling me how scummy I was for doubting you.
I will probably not wait for deadline but if the day is boring I might randomly lynch>:<Serelasomeone.
Zakeri should probably come convince me who he's going to shoot that's worth risking leaving him alive when literally everyone wants him dead? Combined with the risk of leaving him alive to possibly inherit SB's power as scum (why did no one mention this btw?) Also Zak did crumb his role in his first post, like a good Zakeri. :>
the ridiculousness of the accusations piled against me today and realizing I have been too nice in letting them slide. I am TOWNThis is all of my town games where I'm lynched.
BT, what do you think about Shadoweh's claim that she's obvtown via not letting Zak survive a day to govern himself?She's probably right.
What's your main gripe with not lynching Bard? I'm not feeling the Do Not Lynch vibes like you and Shadoweh (I think?) and I still don't really know why (it's not because I'm scum).Seriously, I'll be extremely sad if I'm lynched and SkyPal dies and you two crossvote into submission and Bard scumhammers and leaves all the while requesting modkill. If I'm going down, at least I want to know what's going to happen on this front.
NNR and BT's votes on the wagon feel legit at least and I'd be unlikely to support anything against them, except a doc. Not sure about Shadimeh, who is ever a wildcard to me because her levels of effort vary wildly among games. I've been trying to get a read on her during the night but I'm still not sure. Reading posts is hard. My efforts are wasted. ;_;It was in his first post that day even. :V
Conq: Zakeri had the Jack of all Kills powers and nothing else. Can you tell me why you think he wasn't going on the kill?Well, if you put it that way :v. I meant more to ask BT why that would support Bard!scum though since if we look at it that way it's just logical for Zak to make the kill either way?
I don't understand the jist of your post #153. You're saying Bard is scum because Zak going on the NK means that the other scum used their role? Yeah, but how do we know that Zak went on the nightkill?No no, basically, now I'm unsure, but I thought for sure scum had an extra nightkill and just neglected to use it. Meanwhile it appeared that Zak targeted SB with Oar's ability while Bard got JK'd by SB. The post you're talking about addresses an "obstacle", mainly, Bard can't be scum if he was blocked and Zak used his role and a scum nightkill connected on NNR. :V But I found a solution to both problems - why Zak neglected the extra kill and why Bard CAN be scum - that Zak was the one to take the kill. I guess my explanation was kind of backwards. It probably still is.
It was in his first post that day even. :VWhat, the 'get a read on her' thing? 3subtle5me, if that's even a crumb.
But I found a solution to both problems - why Zak neglected the extra kill and why Bard CAN be scum - that Zak was the one to take the kill. I guess my explanation was kind of backwards. It probably still is.Scum extra kill that was conveniently forgotten or foregone sounds too silly to me, I can't accept it.
Tunneling is the act of focusing solely on one person to lynch, generally while ignoring the other players."While ignoring the other players" isn't a condition that's satisfied and continuous attempts to paint in negative light that I pushed hard for Serela is getting rather annoying. It'd be less annoying if it was scummy to do so but I think you guys are just severely exaggerating what happened because you're misguided on what "tunnelling" means. I've pointed out multiple times that I had clear opinions on others and paid attention to stuff outside Serela. I admit I prioritised Serela as I genuinely believed he was Scum, but having priorities doesn't mean you're tunnelling and ignoring everything else in the game.
Night 1 I tracked Shadoweh, and Shadoweh did not commit the kill.I later decided she was definitely Town due to my result on account of not having targeted anyone, not including herself.
My role condition prevented the other use(s)
Best of three because we have two lynches left
Conq hated - must lynch today?
It's ONE MISSING USE. You couldn't use it N4 if your story is true. Then you used it again N5 to track Dan. You should at least know how many times you couldn't use your ability.
How do you not tell us in advance if you can/cannot track that phase, or at least crumb?
##Unvote/shrug
##Vote: CF7
Rolefishing.
I just asked a question.@Kingault: Were you trying to achieve anything specifically with your self-vote? Just wondering, as SB already did it before you.Also, Conq here does the same thing, let's all vote him for it.
@Zak.++Conq - CF7 trying to excuse his actions by highlighting someone else's, not very likely to come from a weak scum player to a buddy.
Both questions are implying some self-profit from self-voting. And both are questioning reasons for self-voting. Somehow mine is scummy and Conq's is not.
Kind kind of want to ask Conq if he's is permanently hated or not. But then again that is rolefishing and that's bad, as you said it. So i won't. But he's very likely town, if his claim is true, because hated doesn't really make sense as scum role. On other hand it's not provable unless we lynch him.++Conq - Trying to be protown by sharing a role-based conclusion that he knows is true. Even tacks on a waffle and way out at the end, in case Conq needed the lynch boot in the future.
What would be a townie way for him to handle the pressure?++Conq - Calling out a buddy for his bad bus is lol. Conq was trying to steer clear of CF7 in the very same post so it'd be kind of jarring if he used that fact to vote the other buddy instead.
##Unvote
##Vote: Zakeri
I don't even know what to "defend" against. "Didn't join CF7 wagon", well no shit. GLaDOS didn't join a DiEnd wagon. I regularly don't jump onto D1 wagons I don't believe in. This isn't Scum!Bard. This is me being me. I honestly don't know what to say to the accusation of "you're being you".If you really want to make that comparison, GLaDOS didn't even say anything about DiEnd, because they legitimately didn't care. That's not like the gut/impression you're claiming you got from CF7 which I'm calling out as fake.
"Bard, you avoided CF7," and damn right I did, because gut and my reasoning did not let me think CF7 was the Scum We're All Looking For. I get you guys want to insist me thinking lowly of CF7 indicates I'm Scum, but the fact of the matter is that I hold Scum to a higher standard, and CF7 did not meet that standard.Kingault did? I don't buy the "I was wrong about CF7, I guess I need to reverse the way I think" argument you pulled when you voted King because that's not how mafia players play, that's opportunism. You still have your own way of scumhunting and Kingault was derping around, claiming out in the open that he doesn't care to be lynched and doesn't care at all. What impression did you get from CF7 but not from King? Fool me once fool me twice.
Honestly, what do you think? Scum Team is JACK OF ALL TRADES, AMAZING BACKUP and "Lol Bard, you get Track which is useful on SB and Sacchi and no one outside of that lol, also you get paired with a neighbour :3"? That doesn't make any sense.Jack of all colorful kills, you mean. Mafia would have no information role. I'd think they'd at least have something more than "special kills" and "backup".
The problem is that I just find a lot of Bard's posts right now genuine. A lot of it could be genuine frustration from either alignment, I suppose.I have this problem too (I'm not actually 120% sure about this - only 110%) but I don't think we're talking about the same posts. The latest posts were pretty much what I expected from Scum Bard. They all give the impression that he's mostly interested in defense ever since he settled his reads.
I'm mulling over the role argument in my head whether it makes sense for BT to be a full town untargetable that rawr would inherit on death. Actually, rawr wouldn't even be able to inherit it, since untargetable means he'd be sticking around forever.-Lynch
@Bard, BT: Answer, in your own words, why you think I'm town. I mean, I know I'm town, but I figure you two would be looking more my way in a LYLO situation instead of completely locking onto each other. It makes me nervous.Problem: I don't remember.
Zakeri, if your top scumpicks are in order of mention CF7, Sky Paladin and Serela, then why is your vote on Serela? It honestly reads like a votepark considering you're voting him "until he develops reads [...]" on basically others. That's an extremely lazy vote if you can just abandon it once Serela does develop reads.
Bard's comment on Zak in #182 (outright dislike this one, Zak explains his opinion on CF7 well and explains why he chose to vote Serela instead just as clearly, calling it a lazy vote is just scummy).
CF7 should claim when he gets on.I'm thinking BT would have given CF7 something to claim aside from "LOL NOT CLAIMING" after this if they were scum together. Bard's complaint about CF7 being completely incompetent at not claiming could be him getting mad at a scumbuddy.
Votecount
CF7 (4): NekoNekoRex, Shadoweh, BT, Kingault
Serela (3): Bardiche, Zakeri, CF7
Sky Paladin (2): Sacchi Hikaru, Serela
NekoNekoRex (1): SB
BT (1): DrRawr
Kingault (1): Sky Paladin
Zakeri (1): ActionDan
Shadoweh (1): Conqueror
Dr Rawr (0):
ActionDan (0):
SB (0):
Sacchi Hikaru (0):
Conqueror (0):
Bardiche (0):
-StrongmanIs it even possible to strongman an untargettable? I actually think not being able to strongman your role is a point in your favour, because strongmanning what is essentially a full bp only to have it be inherited is rough. If the untargettable got lynched, well it would still be an issue but at least you lynched one of them. The counterargument to "full bp op" is that if scum inherited SB's governor you'd have "scum governor op" so that makes some sort of sense.
Early poke at Zak from Bard after Zak switches to Serela. BT attacks Bard for the poke. Not sure if these interactions are telling either way but no one's brought them up yet so I'm posting them here.I noticed it and I have a pretty good expalantion too.
Start of D2, Bard and Zak both opine that CF7 was being bussed given the speed and lack of counerwagon.I think you (or someone else) agreed at the time and, I'm pretty sure I ended up not doing it, but I wanted to post that I found it annoying and there wasn't any guarantee of bussing and that people shouldn't be starting there for scumhunting anyway.
Is it even possible to strongman an untargettable? I actually think not being able to strongman your role is a point in your favour, because strongmanning what is essentially a full bp only to have it be inherited is rough. If the untargettable got lynched, well it would still be an issue but at least you lynched one of them. The counterargument to "full bp op" is that if scum inherited SB's governor you'd have "scum governor op" so that makes some sort of sense.I'm not sure. We could ask Dormio who would win in Untargetable versus Strongman but I don't know what the significance of that would be - lynch is the more likely scenario anyway.
What I like about BT's LYLO play here: he's jumping around a lot, taking in new information, making conclusions from that. He sounds as confused as the rest of us. Bard, this is what I find off about your LYLO play here. You basically decided on BT scum from the start of LYLO and have stuck with it since then. I mean, that's fine if you're right, but today was the first day you started looking at possible BT!scum.
@MOD: I thought LYLO would be announced?*YLO will be announced.
Bard, I know you said that Shadoweh was a hard read for you, but why her instead of so many other people given her position on the D1 CF7 wagon?
Is it even possible to strongman an untargettable? I actually think not being able to strongman your role is a point in your favour, because strongmanning what is essentially a full bp only to have it be inherited is rough. If the untargettable got lynched, well it would still be an issue but at least you lynched one of them. The counterargument to "full bp op" is that if scum inherited SB's governor you'd have "scum governor op" so that makes some sort of sense.Conq, don't you think it's actually worse for the scumteam if there are two unkillable townies?
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Sky, what the fuck are you talking about.
Bard claimed to have tracked me night 1. I claim to have seen him night 1. This is called 'confirming each other's actions'. Why are you so bad at understanding role actions ;_;
Also Conq already stated that he doesn't have Hated in LYLO.
"But Bard," I hear you say. "We can verify the truth of your words!"
Conq claimed his hated status disappears in *YLO. He'd have no reason to lie about that as town.
I think the complaint about me "overreacting = scummy" is stupid.
@mod: is this important?Being killed and being eliminated from the popularity contest are equivalent from my perspective.
I'm told I can one use the ability once per person, and with CF7 dead it's easy to tell why.Yeah okay. For a second I had no idea where I read about the 'once per person' thing, but it's not in the PM, so I guess they asked.
You believed I was vanilla town night 3 so I don't understand why you would have tracked me when you should have tracked one of the players you suspected e.g. Serela or Zak. When players act inconsistently, I have to ask 'why'. I want to know if the 'because' is that they are scum. It is not unreasonable to ask.Highlighting, this is a good point.
2 - He alluded to a possible roleblocker on day 4 and stated it on day 5.
didn't crumb that he was roleblocked.
N3 I attempted to target Sky Paladin because claiming VT is an easy test when you can Track. What's stopping me from claiming my condition is that I'm specifically not allowed to in my role. Why did you think I suspected SkyPal could be a townie that wasn't allowed to claim his role?But if you thought he was a townie who couldn't claim his role and had to claim VT instead, wouldn't tracking him not tell you much unless you tracked him to the nightkill or something like that?
Shadoweh, if BT flips town, what will you do then?GET NIGHTKILLED.
Er, what I mean to say was that from your defense of him D2 I got the impression that you didn't think Sky was VT; he just wasn't allowed to claim the conditions of his role. Did you change your mind on that afterwards when deciding to track him to test his VT claim?Shadoweh do you even have an opinion on this?
I don't even what Serela is doing.Bard neglects to look at the CF7 wagon till the very end. This was after my convo with Conq. If he thought CF7 was town and didn't think anything of the cases and was pushing the Serela counterwagon, he should have been more involved in the CF7 wagon, either by trying to shut it down or by reading the cases and seeing why people want it. He does neither of the two. Instead he analyzes all the other players. CF7 earns the least attention out of all the wagons and non-wagons, town and scum reads alike.
Ooookay looks like time is short and I honestly do not like turning Day 1 into "lynch the newbie", so I hope at least one of you can give a cogent case for why CF7 is a good lynch for the day.
Gonna take some time to re-read Shadoweh and Sky Paladin, and maybe SB for voteparking NNR. Who's like a total bro, I don't get why you'd votepark him. Unless you want to say he's tryhard scum but that seems ridiculous.
I am good at figuring out stuff.
-_- No please, be more vague, I think it would really help your chances here.
You know, thinking, analysis, comparison.
Do you just like being punchable or are you pleading inability to claim here? If you're claiming something informationable you better be fucking clear, it's beyond the 7th hour right now andd your alt wagon is obvtown.
Okay, sorry.
In that case i won't claim my role as you'll see it in a few hours anyway.
HAMMER DOWN THE WAGON. A wise woman once said, paraphrasing your role takes moments. A good fakeclaim takes a lifetime. Trolling Shadoweh instead of claiming takes WELCOME TO DYINGSounds a little harsh for a forged conversation.
DEAR EVERYONE FROM YESTERDAYMore of the same. My money goes on "genuine".
SUCK MY CHOCOLATE SALTY BALLS.
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Shadoweh do you even have an opinion on this?I haven't thought much about it to be honest. I don't think it's scummy persay since Sky was claiming VT to the max. I'm kind of getting tired of making Bard's excuses for him though, it's just my thoughts on it.
Did you change your mind on that afterwards when deciding to track him to test his VT claim?
Serela, if there is a God, Sky Paladin will turn into a vig and justice will be sweet.This was amusing, by the way. What are the odds?
I want a summary of the last three pages.
I won't be getting to this after all but I'm honestly surprised we're going for the Kingault slot.Later on he posts about newbscum[ (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,16555.msg1079039.html#msg1079039) and stuff, but BT never puts his vote down either way and is content just cheerleading the wagon.
BT, did you ever do anything with this? Next post I saw was you disappearing and saying you were lazy.Evidently, no. I wanted to, then I didn't. I wasn't really into it at the time.
RE: BT's comment about my lack of care of the CF7 wagon. I didn't think people'd actually lynch CF7 over what started as RVS shenanigans. That's a rarity. By the time I realised I wasn't dreaming and this was real life, well. That's where people go all, "Bard is teh scums for ignoring CF7"That's not specifically what I was saying there - you comprehensively covered all of the counterwagons and consolidation options. Yet the CF7 wagon got the "if people want to show me why he's scum" treatment.
It was pointed out to me that Sky Paladin said that it wasn't the case that he couldn't claim anything but VT. If I had a track result on him acting after all and it corresponded to that Night's kill target, you can imagine stuff needs to be said. Anyone else targeted? A negative effect points to maliciously lying, a positive effect would be that he indeed couldn't claim.Considering you thought Sky was town because of his restriction, it's convenient that you were made aware that that wasn't the case... at some point after. How exactly did this unfold?
Considering you thought Sky was town because of his restriction, it's convenient that you were made aware that that wasn't the case... at some point after. How exactly did this unfold?
I'm probably done for today. I'm going to go eat and hopefully I'll come back to postgame!
I'M NOT SCUM ;-;
If Bard isn't scum I'll probably just consider self-voting in LYLO out of... fuck.
I have no answer to why the scumteam has a ninja for what is presumably only a self-watcher, besides Dormio gave the scum JOAT two ninja powers when the only tracker/watcher was Shadoweh's one-shot conditionally activated one.
I can't make those come true. I'll be dead. Maybe BT can make them come true. Or Conq is actually the Scum all along. Or Dormio is silly and you're actually Vanilla Goon who does power into double kill on being motivated.I wish you had just gone over the other possibilities earlier instead of ignoring them to just focus on BT. I mean, just seeing how you went over them would have been helpful.
Hey Bardiche. If you survived today, would you be able to use your tracker power on someone useful?
I have some time so LETS GO REREAD D1 AGAIN AWWW YEAH.(http://i.imgur.com/8C85fPi.png)
But scum!Bard and town!Bard would theoretically say the same thing "Conq is scum~"There is actually the theoretical third option, "Conq didn't go anywhere," which is what I was thinking when I asked that question to begin with. But it would require...a bunch of unlikely stuff to line up.
Because I have to believe town!Bard would actually have defended himself, and this!Bard didn't really do it.
Even if I write countless posts dedicated to explaining why I'm not Scum and defending my actions, people just won't read them and pretend they don't exist.
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HOLY FUCK SKY PAL WHY THE FUCK DO YOU NOT UNDERSTAND THERE IS A GODFUCKINGDAMN GOOD REASON FOR NOT FUCKING ACQUIESCING TO YOUR GODDAMN DEMANDS
1 - Bard changed his claim after hammer and the post wasn't deleted.
Up until now, Bard always said that the reason he didn't post about his track/not track was because of a post restriction. However, now it appears that he could have claimed all along, but didn't want to get himself shot. This was actually the response I was fishing for when I said Bard wasn't defending himself properly. Unfortunately he didn't say it until after hammer so I couldn't respond to it. So I don't like it.
Town must lynch a non-town entitymeans something.
@mod - if there is a no-lynch today, is it 100% chance of town loss?Town must lynch a non-town entity this day or face entering a situation where the town is unable to win.
You kept saying that you couldn't discuss why you could/couldn't track. Conquer and I both asked you in the previous day phase (Conqueror later retracted it) but I feel like a towny player would have jumped at the chance to try to be useful or to clear there name in some way. At least, that is what I would have done.
hrrng. So let me get this straight. One of you are ITP. And one of you are scum. But what kind of ITP doesn't make hits...
Sky!scum would have shot Shadoweh last night because Conq/Bard would have been an easy mislynch of Bard.
2 - Scum know I want to lynch Bard so I can't see scum!Bard letting me live overnight. Which means it's probably Shadoweh who assumed I would lynch Bard.These are WIFOM. I know the second one argues in my favour, but it's still WIFOM and that's why I'm wary of it.
... You would've gotten yourself modkilled in favour of discussing the condition? That doesn't seem townie.
I think it IS indicative of alignment that you say a "townie would've done something to get themselves modkilled instead of requesting it"
I don't even how you come up with these gems.
These are WIFOMIt's not WIFOM if I am telling you what I would have done :V
Because Scum don't need to know, and Town only needs to know what my results are. Isn't that obvious? Why the hell would I want to tell Scum, "Hey guys, you can do whatever tonight, it's totally cool; I can't use my ability"? What benefit does Town have from knowing whether or not I can Track? It doesn't do anything for you. "But Bard," I hear you say. "We can verify the truth of your words!" Given how inattentive most people are I'm amazed no one can think of what the condition is.
You're proposing that Ninja Kill is put in specifically to prevent Shadoweh from seeing who kills her, unless the stars align and a) Sacchi targeted Shadoweh and b) Shadoweh correctly guessed the night kill afterwards and c) Scum actually use the ninja kill there. Shadoweh saying her power is a "General" means no one can inherit so basically the only situation in which a ninja kill would be useful according to your argument is if the above scenario happens and the stars align.
Out of these three I'd lynch Dan>Zakeri>Sacchi, but I feel like I should read BT/SB again. Slowly starting to look like everyone is Scum, but I believe in Shadoweh at least. I just can't see her doing anything untoward to people during the night except maybe send angry glares.Because I can't think why else he would mention me watching him in some way. Sigh. Really shouldn't have lynched BT. I just wanted to believe.
I did come across this.
Bard's thing almost looked like a good thing, but I'd hope he'd have let Serela post a little more before revealing that it's obviously not a thing. Still refusing to read Serela after proving how bad I am at it last game."Bard's thing sure looked like a thing" <_<
Actually now that I'm not glancing at the thread and instead reading it, I really don't like how Serela ended up using his role because Bard provoked him.Not really a mention of Bard, he continues on about how Serela is Scummy after all.
Bard and Oarfish are Waltzing with how much they're going in circles around each other. I think it's safe to say that Kingault's poor play is less than half the reason people are voting Oarfish so one of them should probably go ahead and drop that point.Admonishing without really doing anything about the Oarfish wagon, nat. And the last mention is literally "Hi Bard."
Shadoweh are you scum trying to pressure Sky Pal into quickhammering me for you?Honey I had all night to do that and waited for you instead. Trust me, I am an expert at giving candy to babies, and rule #1 is not to let the other person post. Are you going to ask me to make sense of your actions now? Tracker or Rolecop, I think you had a good idea that you couldn't just pretend you hadn't done anything.
As opposed to your start of trying to lynch Serela just because and sinking into a deep depression the likes of all humanity could not pull you out of.
Serela posts since my vote on him:Serela posted, also he dared to ignore me voting him and telling him RVS was over. Seems legit, let's bag this scumbag. (Zak wasn't even sheeping you he was voting Serela over DARING TO USE HIS ROLE after you prodded him so :V)
Response to ##JUSTICE!!! (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,16555.msg1077126.html#msg1077126)
General speculation on the votecount error and gameplay explanation (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,16555.msg1077142.html#msg1077142)
Clarifying the Ascetic role (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,16555.msg1077158.html#msg1077158)
Vote on Shadoweh 'mostly joking', silly to have Town read on Serela (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,16555.msg1077164.html#msg1077164)
The two posts preceding that are:
Jokevote on ActionDan (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,16555.msg1077088.html#msg1077088)
and
Questioning what's strange about Ascetic claim (http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,16555.msg1077094.html#msg1077094)
Looking at these posts, you can say that exactly 0% of his posts constitute scumhunting or attempting to weed out the liars from the honest. Instead we have jokevote garbage even after the game had sufficiently entered a serious enough stage to get things done. More criminally even after I voted Serela for perpetuating jokevote phase he still puts a vote on Shadoweh "mostly joking". And that it's silly to read Serela as Town.
IDK man, that sounds like a Freudian slip to me and that's fine enough at this stage.
Even when it comes to defending you, Bard was following my lead and buddying up to me so hard that wedding bells were ringing.
I can't say I've paid any real attention to BT and my angry stares at Conq have turned into blissful snores.>angry stares
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prism plains: all i want for my birthday is a town win ;_;thanks Sky_Paladin for RUINING MY BIRTHDAY
도미오: but will you get one
도미오: also is it the 25th in americaland?
prism plains: not in cali for 43 or so minutes
prism plains: watch as town wins but before 12AM
prism plains: oh god damn it
prism plains: hammer dropped as i said that lmao
Sorry guys :C
Sky topic ;___; (http://www.quicktopic.com/50/H/CsY4r74sUET)
Next time if you have a vanilla towny and a motivator role, and the motivator is not 100% guaranteed to upgrade the vanilla town, you don't say 'Every player is 100% guaranteed to have some kind of power role' and 'there are no vanilla townies in the game'. I mean seriously. Grarglebargle.What the fuck?
Quote from: ShadowehWHAT THE HELL DOES IT TAKE TO GET KILLED IN THESE DAMN PARTS?!Something that you're lacking, apparently.
[20:02:33] <Kazuko_Dormakami> did you like the ninja edit to the rules though
[20:02:37] <Kazuko_Dormakami> wrt no lynches
[20:02:39] <Kazuko_Dormakami> :DDDD
[20:04:01] <Shadoweh> If SB had governed
[20:04:09] <Shadoweh> Would you have changed it to Thrice
[20:04:15] <Kazuko_Dormakami> yes
[20:04:15] <Kazuko_Dormakami> :V
[20:04:25] <Kazuko_Dormakami> it could have potentially been four times
[20:04:26] <Shadoweh> I thought so. You are hilarious sometimes
Having re-read your posts, thinking "My name is Bard and I am town" and "My name is Shadoweh and I am town", I feel like Bard has done the most to interrogate and try to solve the mystery.This line made me teary-eyed. This never happened to me before.
RIP BT I thought you were scum but not because of your posts or anything.I hate you all.
I thought his play in general was solid, not just the emotion
thanks Sky_Paladin for RUINING MY BIRTHDAY
> rooting against Bard as your birthday wishI remember reading a guide to scum where the writer said town believes they "ought to win", I think that applies to the peanut gallery in terms of rooting for players as well. Unless there's a SK.
:C
Acting can only get you so far. People eventually look into someone's play and what motivates it.I don't think Bard's play was subpar really, just his buddies. in any case this happens in just about every game here (look at Utena, you can't seriously say my play was good and not just me making shit up on the spot and getting away with it because people just want me to win as scum for some reason) and while it's definitely far from ideal I'm surprised you're only complaining about it now.
What's making me say all this is that I feel like this isn't how games are meant to be won. I shouldn't end the game feeling that both sides played subpar. Something something scumhunting. I'm going to regret NOT saying all this every time I look at this game in the future.
Cut: "I don't play mafia so that the best actor wins." uhhhh but being the best actor is literally what good scumplay is about, like I'm not gonna deny town dropped the ball on the last two days (even though I thought Bard was town I would've lynched him over Shadoweh just because of her Zak lynch) but don't be the guy who devalues scum's win just because of salt. If anything the best team wins and if town was the best team D6 - D7 wouldn't have happened.
I just, there's no scumslip and I don't have a magic guilty. What am I supposed to do? What would you have done?
Look. I knew something was fishy with Bard. His neighbor died and he wouldn't come clean about what he was going to do, he didn't crumb and there was lots of other things. But there was no solid 'scumslip' that I could point at. The best I could do was process of elimination and find the worst player on the assumption that town wants to kill scum. But I had Shadoweh massively defending Bard the whole time instead of making a case against BT. I got tired of dredging the same thing up over and over and over. And then I couldn't find the quote I thought was there so I thought 'did I imagine the whole thing?'There's more to it than that. Example: everything I said on D6.
My play wasn't great but I tried really hard and I was right up until the very last moment. In fact if I'd died night 6 nobody would have thought twice about it. And maybe you'd be laughing at Conqueror now instead.Good job making an effort. If people got mad, it's because you did something they wouldn't have done. Look at what they're saying and learn for next time. I'm sure any "feelings" of "anger" towards you will disappear in a flash even if they do exist, and if they don't that's silly.
I just, there's no scumslip and I don't have a magic guilty. What am I supposed to do? What would you have done?
I don't think Bard's play was subpar really, just his buddies. in any case this happens in just about every game here (look at Utena, you can't seriously say my play was good and not just me making shit up on the spot and getting away with it because people just want me to win as scum for some reason) and while it's definitely far from ideal I'm surprised you're only complaining about it now.Fair comparison. Is it surprising I didn't complain about that and I'm complaining about this? Perspective can do a lot. By all accounts town should learn from both games and scum should be happy for managing to somehow worm out of situations that shouldn't have let them win. :V The fact that this happens multiple times just underlines how important all this is? Iunno.
tbh let bt have his salt here, this was a pretty fucking pitiful loss for town and something i'm surprised more people aren't upset aboutGod Damn It Chaore
i would've voted bard :justasplanned:
Look at what they're saying and learn for next time.
look at the motivations of Bard / Shadoweh now that you know what their alignments actually were
also ty to both CF7 and Zakeri for being adorable and sending me apologies for giving me headhaackes <3
You're sucm, that's suposed to be your jobs you silly willsies
God Damn It Chaore
i don't mean to be unreasonable, town fucking up definitely needs to be discussed and learned from, i just think it's dumb to act like bard didn't play well enough to win or whatever, i mean yeah town should've had the game in the bag, but not because bard was super scummy or anything
I'm hurt too :/ I was trusting Bard and Shadoweh so much. I wanted them to be town. I had relied on Shadoweh lynching Zak as the pillar of 'she must be town'. So when I had to question that I realised I didn't have a whole lot left other than that. I was also suspicious because she never declared her night action before Bard. The last thing I had was Bard's vote on day 1, but when I ISO'd Shadoweh and saw Zak and CF7 had also voted alongside her, I was T___T damn.Medaka Box Mafia: Lynching Scum Isn't Enough.
If Dormio hadn't messed up his PR town would have lost that game, IIRC, so it was just a PR flubup that let town win.
I stand by that it was Bardiche going over all Dormio's posts with a fine comb that let Town win. Dormio goofed up there, but unless someone had pointed it out, Town would still have lost. You're outright denying that a victory was won through stubborn refusal to give up and continuous combing over posts.Stubborn refusal to give up sums up alot of victories. It was a Bardiche win~
You will probably not find contradictions (in fact, I find them in townies just as much as scum)
this is true because you never find them in townies or in scum because you never play :cHey, I played a lot in the past. I'm just retired or something
I found Sacchi to be by far the strongest player. I literally could not find any angle from which I could say Sacchi was Scum, and that is why the NK happened.
Also the role that Conq was given in this game was terrible, pretty much equivalent to any percentage-based role only they don't even know what they do.Dreaming God is a rare exception in that it's a RNG role that isn't implicitly horrible. Day events can add a little interesting stuff here and there, and whilst rng'ing them can lead to questionable results, it's not so bad; honestly, Conq was pretty much VT, but he got to have a little bit of Informed Townie power and to participate in role shenanigans a little, which I think is a really nice way to add roles into a game without worrying about tipping power balances. Although I might feel different if the order of events had ended up different in a more one-side-slanted manner , which would have been possible (albiet unlikely?)
[23:45:57] <oarfish> although Dormio seems to actively put troll roles into his games
"Getting to participate in role shenanigans" is not really a good thing unless you can actually do things the way you want to do them, just like having a vote but having it cast at random instead of where you want it toThis is a really bad example. "Not knowing what the day effects are is like not being able to control your vote" is taking things waaaaay out of proportion :V Basically, it's okay because It's Better Than VT in terms of "horray rolez" but it doesn't really have a big impact on power balance in comparison to selecting day events by real rng instead.
Next time watch me roll a doctor and save a scum.Poor Dormio. Maybe one day he'll be a kevorkian doc and his immense accuracy at targetting scum with it will come in handy.
u sux (me) :blush:
I think that this is the major point of confusion.Providing your players with a game and deciding which fun is correct fun ... is just going to lead to frustration.
There are several reasons for why I would want to have a setup where the players are not allowed to figure it out.
The first is that I do not consider it to be fun.
Mafia is a game about deceit for scum and trying to uncover the wolf in sheep's clothing for town.
The fun in mafia, in my opinion, is derived from reading people and comparing it with what you know of how they behave in various situations in order to assess whether or not they are lying from your perspective.
You may argue that what you are saying about having a setup that can be figured out is the same thing but I disagree.
Mafia is a game of emotion, it is not one that should be able to be "solved".
Are you saying that mafia would be fun for somebody that played their best, fooled all the townies into thinking that they were town, and then lost anyway due to nothing other than the process of elimination since every other player's role was proven to be real by the moderator?
That's just bullshit and anybody in that position would agree, I'm sure.
Alternatively, if you're aligned with the town, where is the fun in catching scum through nothing but role gaming and the process of elimination?
You get none of the satisfaction of knowing that you managed to catch someone out in their behaviors and actions and then that just leaves the question of what the point of playing mafia in the first place is.
If you think that mafia is a game that can be solved from an objective point of view, I think that games such as solitaire are much better suited for that.
To an extent, yes.
It is my opinion that roles exist to add variety and spice to the game of mafia.
It's rather necessary when you have such a small playerbase like we do and end up playing with the same people over and over again.
Without some sort of variation, the games get very dull and repetitive.
However, as mentioned above, I believe that hunting and lynching scum should be town's main tool in removing the scum from their midst whilst lying and trying to maintain their cover should be the scum's main tool in staying alive.
I feel that roles should not be a replacement to either of these.
Because once those two key elements stop being the focus of the game, then you are no longer playing mafia.
Providing your players with a game and deciding which fun is correct fun ... is just going to lead to frustration.I don't know about you but I'm under the impression that you join mafia to hunt scum, not solve puzzles.
These seem like contradictory motivations, both taken to extremes. I believe you can have a game that limits or obviates rolespec entirely without being boring. If you're trying to avoid scum being found through PoE of mod-confirmed rolespec, seems like there are quite a few different ways to accomplish that. Giving everyone a power role isn't the obvious solution, and neither is creating roles which are designed to subvert expectations or are too original to speculate about.I have no idea what you're talking about here so my apologies for whatever I've misinterpreted.
I assumed that things like transforming roles and hidden information weren't used here, but that was obviously a faulty assumption.This is the first time I've seen a motivator (not that a motivator is bastard in the slightest anyway) and maybe the second time I've seen hidden information that I can remember if SkyPal's VT pm counts as one, which it really shouldn't since it should have been painfully obvious upon receiving it that he could not truly be VT. (I've been playing here roughly 4 years I think?)
I believe you can have a game that limits or obviates rolespec entirely without being boring.Limiting rolespec without being boring is basically the entire point of what happened here, and
Giving everyone a power role isn't the obvious solution, and neither is creating roles which are designed to subvert expectations or are too original to speculate about.Power roles to everyone isn't a solution, it was just that the point of the setup is also that everyone gets some form of PR; it's kind of nice to /in knowing you're not going to be VT and have a nice chance of landing something that's even pretty cool (hopefully). Creating roles designed to subvert expectations or being too weird to speculate about isn't bad either? I'm not sure whether you're just saying one should stick to the standard list of roles or not, but that'd be pointless and limiting, and most of those are pretty strong (which would be bad)
"I made a complex game with cool roles but I want you to find the scum without talking about the cool roles I made"Almost all of the roles in this game were very weak, at least in terms of finding scum with, they basically HAD to be Motivated to not suck and half of them still didn't do anything then. So yes, he made a complex game with cool roles, and you still won't be able to find the scum with them even whilst talking about them beyond what you'd get in a "normal", only-a-few-PRs game with mostly VTs, without extra effort on his part. This is Good Role Madness Setup Design imo, even if this setup is even weaker than I'd normally suggest. I mean the VT pm and Zakeri abnormal backup with rawr thing might not be something I'd put in a book of Good Design but they really aren't a big deal either
maybe the second time I've seen hidden information that I can remember if SkyPal's VT pm counts as one, which it really shouldn't since it should have been painfully obvious upon receiving it that he could not truly be VT.
Welcome, Sky Paladin, to Medaka Box Mafia!
You are Myouri Unzen, Monster Child(Vanilla Townie)
Justice means nothing if you don't go overboard! While what you are doing may not necessarily be right or helping to make the world a better place, you are going to purge the world and deliver your brand of justice to anybody that dares to break the rules.
Myouri Unzen placed 19th in the latest Medaka Box popularity poll.
You have the ability to post in thread and vote.
You win when all threats to your faction have been eliminated. Best of luck.
So what solutions are there otherwise, O4rfish?ㅎ
the graveyard votes for a living player's faction to win
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I'm gonna make this work in my next setupWell then God bless you my man
I should design another setupI'm not inning to be VT again >:C
Just off the top of my head, you could run a 13-2 game where the scum have X-shot anonymous extra vote.
My upcoming game will be 10-5 with no power roles, 5 days and 4 nights, delayed flips and the graveyard votes for a living player's faction to win.
Popcorn Mafia, or anything where the rules are different. Bard, you were suggesting some Nostradamus Mafia, right?
Heck, if you want everyone to have a role but totally eliminate rolespec, give everyone exactly the same role.
"I believe you can have a game that limits or obviates rolespec entirely without being boring. If you're trying to avoid scum being found through PoE of mod-confirmed rolespec, seems like there are quite a few different ways to accomplish that."
Obviously you're all going about this the wrong way.I see you've been talking to Manix on sf
The way to eliminate rolespec is to mindscrew the players so much that they don't trust any role interactions or role info. Don't want follow the cop? Make half the town secret millers, and then make the cop insane anyway. Don't want Game Winning Night Action Plans? Have everyone's role passively redirect themselves to the target immediately below on the playerlist. If you don't like players making erronous connections via flips, janitor all the lynches and nightkills so you have to base your reads solely on individual play.
The last step is to get banned from hosting mafia forever.
Either way, in these examples you're just putting forth things you think are fun. But if your criticism of Dormio is that he decided what was fun and not boring, then these ideas still work off of the same idea: The mod decides what is fun/interesting and the players fit themselves to that. 13-2 mountainous with Scum having 3+ votes isn't any more fun than Dormio's game just now.
Your criticism is that "The mod thinks certain things wouldn't be fun, and tried to make a setup designed to avoid those not-fun things." This is EXACTLY what a mod's job should always be, albeit in role madness games it's more prevalent because you have to actively make sure to do it.
Several people here are saying that rolespec is a problem, but not offering solutions other than "be careful" or "run a bastard game"Because you are clearly not reading everybody else's.