Ok, I've finally got the time I need to do a big read. I've been posting all over the place because I couldn't string two thoughts together in between work and being out of town. But now, I have time. Let's go!
I'm still going to clear NNR in my mind at the moment because I think there's no reason for him to lie. It's too dangerous. If anybody that he picks turns out to be scum, then the whole 'network' will be scum, and if he keeps picking 'safe' targets, people will question him about it. However, there's the chance that NNR's information was wrong, and he's presenting it honestly. Mitsuki suggested maybe Kilga is Godfather, which is some kind of role that appears as town, I believe. Or there is some other class using a 'make target appear as town'. It's not a bad idea for scum to keep disguising Kilga as he's a good target for a detective check. With NNR out, he might also buy off sabotage's from DNA. However, then we have two detective-type roles. Is that unusual for this amount of players? We already know this is a high proportion of vanilla towny games. I expected one doctor, one detective, one vig, one or two specials (SB being one of them) with the rest being vanilla and some scums.
So I want to put in pencil: A reason that Cheez8 is not scum is if Kilga is scum; and all the scums were voting Shadoweh to try to save Kilga.
Next point.
Dormio voted for Shadoweh with the salad...rp...thing. Not really important. So, what did he actually do?
First, he voted for Serela in D1. Then a few posts later, finally posts his
reason.
Dormio's next content post is
http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,15788.msg1038887.html#msg1038887 actually just a play-by-play, with nothing new actually posted. Then there's
this where Dormio accuses Serela of doing no scum-hunting, when in fact Dormio is in the same boat.
Then there's
http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,15788.msg1039308.html#msg1039308 this which says nothing. Also, maybe a scumtell? It took Dormio over an hour to write a post about nothing, according to '11 new replies' and timestamp comparison.
Then,
this one where an additional 14 posts magically appeared for your three sentence post. That means it took you half an hour to make that post and TWO OF THE POSTS WERE FROM DORMIO. A little chronologically confused, imo.
It looks like Dormio is not only putting in no effort but they are trying to fake it to look like they are putting in more than they really are.
There's nothing of consequence out of Dormio right up until the end of the phase. His net effort was to vote for Serela seemingly randomly early in the day, add in some reasoning later, then not change his vote.
Day 2.
Dormio starts off voting for me based on
this post.I've made my position clear on this a number of times, so it's annoying to be deliberately misrepresented.
Point 1 - Who arbitrarily decided it was no longer RVS time? Actually, it was
Dormio, who, only a few hours earlier, had been posting about brussel sprouts along with me and, not incidentally, pushing for a lynch on Shadoweh.
Point 2 - Dormio decided that RVS had ended (and posted about it on day 1), and then linked back to it in day 2 to say "Hey Sky was still doing RVS at the end of RVS". So providing 'evidence' that they had arbitrarily created and putting forth as the new truth is the Dormio play style? OK
Then there's this 'Sky just posted fluff' comment. Bullshit. I explained WHY my vote was RVS, and also that I had put in a serious vote since then. I posted a preliminary scumreading. At this point, Dormio had
not done anything except vote for Serela and Sky. I actually responded to Dormio's post,
here. What's his response?
Well actually, he did pick up this -
I dunno. Sky Palladium demonstrated competence and a willingness to abuse newbmeta last game.
People assumed I was newb. I felt no reason to disprove this, if it meant I could avoid some unjustified suspicion. But his actual response to my defence was a single throw away line
here, where he talked about living in Australia. No attempt to back up his point or rebuke mine. But...there's no vote change. He semi-reads Cheez8 but doesn't say anything in particular, or change his vote.
There's another
play-by-play here that ignores my defense and just reiterates Dormio's vague arguments earlier. I can't see a town ignoring a valid defence. A towny should have attacked my defense or accepted it - and amended their vote accordingly. Not ignored it entirely. That's a scum play.
Here's a counterargument against
http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,15788.msg1040533.html#msg1040533 Cheez8. It's relevant because I'm going to posit that Cheez8 and Dormio are scums together. Although Dormio ignored my response, he went into detail with this one for no apparent reason; he even says at the end 'back to making words about Shadoweh'. But at this point,
he was still voting for me.
This post is the first bit of actual scumhunting Dormio has done. There's this:
So, it's like, why is she trying to throw Cheez8 a clear for noticing something with the flavour?
I dunno, it just reads as being super off to me.
This may or may not be related to my Cheez8 suspicions.
in regards to Shadoweh missing my point about the not-vighit, that Cheez8 picked up, and then Shadoweh quoted. That was an alarm bell for a lot of people.
It's clear here that Dormio is 'suspecting' Cheez8, but not doing anything about it. There's some back and forth between Cheez8 and Dormio but Dormio doesn't really talk to Shadoweh at any point.
Then Dormio vanishes until hammer time and then
hammers. There's no thought process or any mention of reasoning on how he suddenly switched from Sky to Cheez8 (the more credible target) and then Shadoweh. Just bam, you're dead.
Day 3! The very next thing Dormio does is vote for me
again. No mention of the hammer business. But once again, Dormio pays a huge amount of attention to what Cheez8 says, and pretty much ignores my defence. He actually says "Sky_Paladin is too clean" so I must be scum. That makes no sense. It's also wrong. As I've said...many times...I'm not sorry for Serela. I am sorry for Shadoweh. Stop ignoring what I wrote except for when it suits you. What's you're actual case against me?
Once again, Dormio quotes and argues against
Cheez8, but where's the vote? Still on Sky.
Why? Because I believe Dormio wants to make a case of disassociating from Cheez8 if one of them is caught. Which is difficult now, because, both Cheez8 and Dormio are voting for Sky, despite Dormio constantly attacking Cheez8 and basically ignoring what Sky said. Actually, he continues to refer to his own made up conclusions as if they were evidence.
Dormio next appears to say Mitsuki is
stupid without clarifying why. Perhaps because she's accusing the last potential scumbuddy, Polaris. Who is also, not incidentally, voting for me. Dormio reappears again to reiterate that he thinks Mitsuki is
http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,15788.msg1042114.html#msg1042114 dumb without any proof, just arbitrarily 'I think Mitsuki's posts are kind of dumb and I'm ignoring them since Kilga is super awesome and I don't have a reason to disbelieve NNR.' Mitsuki wasn't attacking NNR. She was pursuing Polaris. What's the association between Polaris and Cheez8 at this time? None, except for the one Dormio has in his mind.
Polaris then votes for me based on, well, no reason I can see. But he did post
this after voting for me.
I highly doubt that Cheez switched to you with the motive of "forcing you to claim" because I think that's an incredibly uncommon and advanced thought process that I would find few people to be capable of (myself included). Normally it would be a bit bizarre to have all three scum on the same wagon but it's not too incredible in this specific situation with the way the wagons (or wagon, singular) happened and the general experience of the players involved.
Then again, there are other reasons why Cheez could have avoided the major wagon, perhaps to dissociate from his other scumbuddies or avoid taking responsibility for lynching town (which he had prior knowledge of).
hold on i'm in a pokemon battle right now so i can't concentrate on this post anymore so i'll just post it like this
Once again showing the lack of thought and arbitrary targetting that has been the hallmark of this scum team.
And that's it, I'm done on this post.
Your scums are Cheez8, Polaris, and Dormio. The evidence is based on Dormio's scummy play (noted above), and involving/supporting only his teammates.
Please vote accordingly.
