Author Topic: [WC3 - Dots] General discussion thread II (Read 212896 times)

Helepolis · « **Reply #750 on:** October 03, 2011, 05:01:23 PM »

I think my previous post goes up in the same concept if you are talking about that. You just replace out the words and delete the 2nd sentence.

We unbanned bow for a week. I've played actively played games with a bow and spectated games with bow users. It breaks games. I can tell you already, the results are bad. Not because of people's mass complaints, but because I seen, played and experienced.

Edit: We unbanned Koishi for experimental reasons as well. Even that caused better results than bow now.

Pesco · « **Reply #751 on:** October 03, 2011, 05:27:21 PM »

We've still got a few days and I'd like people to drop their prejudices.

Helepolis · « **Reply #752 on:** October 03, 2011, 06:25:55 PM »

Fine with me, I don't count my own vote anyway. Would be biased. I just express my opinion.

trancehime · « **Reply #753 on:** October 03, 2011, 11:46:29 PM »

Quote from: Pesco on October 03, 2011, 05:27:21 PM

We've still got a few days and I'd like people to drop their prejudices.

If retarded op shit that doesn't belong in any moba game remains unbanned, then so be it.

That doesn't mean I have to agree with it existing in the first place. I've already mentioned that if it really has to stay, then the devs should really do something about how accessible it is, but I guess we're not even getting that much. It's not something as shallow as "catering to the lowest common denominator," I'm just finding it really hard to believe that you appear to have little issue with the item itself despite almost everything about it being horribly and utterly wrong.

Dr Rawr · « **Reply #754 on:** October 04, 2011, 12:22:33 AM »

Well in unrelated lunar bow new, we should be expecting awesome byakuren, maybe awesome tenshi, patchy with EVEN MORE SKILL OPTIONS, maybe suika with a new R, tokiko.

Anything else?

Dormio Ergo Sum · « **Reply #755 on:** October 04, 2011, 12:23:35 AM »

Isn't it sad, Parsee?

Amraphenson · « **Reply #756 on:** October 04, 2011, 02:54:27 AM »

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Anyways. I've only seen M-Reimu, Thanuris, and myself rush that. Everyone else seems to only get it in response. It's like picking youmu/aya/momi/flan; people are going to react to it.
I suppose if we three refrain, no one's really gonna bother unless they have some baller build idea. Like that time that korean guy went balling around as Nue with bow, rocket, and hex. ~~(but didn't push and dragged game)~~
We, as in the community, all realize it's stupid, but outside of us three, no one really gets it even if it's available. Brown doesn't count.

But anyways. Looking forward to what's going on with some of the heroes.

Dr Rawr · « **Reply #757 on:** October 04, 2011, 03:03:20 AM »

just because no one gets it doesnt it make it any better. like saying conc is ok because no one gets it yet it can be game breaking easily

Helepolis · « **Reply #758 on:** October 04, 2011, 05:57:32 AM »

Quote from: Dr Homurawr on October 04, 2011, 12:22:33 AM

Well in unrelated lunar bow new, we should be expecting awesome byakuren, maybe awesome tenshi, patchy with EVEN MORE SKILL OPTIONS, maybe suika with a new R, tokiko.

Anything else?

I am still wondering how a scaling Tenshi exactly is going to impact the game. Guessing, late game she isn't going to shine like she used to if the enemy has better tanks. Because her core damage comes from the keystone being smashed every 2s. That is going to be history soon.

I feel like Tokiko is going to be our next rage inducing girl :V

Also as dormio said, isn't it sad Parsee? Even if you are a bitch bridge princess, nobody wants your ass around =[

Pesco · « **Reply #759 on:** October 04, 2011, 06:36:35 AM »

Imo bow's there and it really doesn't make things that much more jerk than they are now. Amra or M-Reimu gets the bow and they pwn harder. So what? They're spending an item slot for a dodgeable nuke instead of an undodgeable damage booster/disable. SDL is a plain fire-and-forget spell. Bow actually takes aiming.

If the item is so accessable, then it's an option for the weaker player to give themselves an edge in the fight. Now I don't know if it's possible to quantify the effect of items on a player's skill but I think they're purely additive. Assume bow adds 50 to a player's skill rating. Weak player (rating 30) and strong player (rating 100) become 80 and 150 respectively. There gap is still the same, but the weaker player has the benefit of a better ratio now.

Dormio Ergo Sum · « **Reply #760 on:** October 04, 2011, 06:40:41 AM »

According to that logic, shouldn't everything go back to being unbanned? :V

Pesco · « **Reply #761 on:** October 04, 2011, 06:45:49 AM »

Eventually. And by then it would be nice if we could all man up and learn to deal with whatever is in the game.

Dormio Ergo Sum · « **Reply #762 on:** October 04, 2011, 07:06:22 AM »

I'd rather not.

There are certain things (hi Camera) that will make me refuse to play.

Pesco · « **Reply #763 on:** October 04, 2011, 07:09:51 AM »

You can have your social agreement with the people in the game to not get such items.

Dormio Ergo Sum · « **Reply #764 on:** October 04, 2011, 07:15:53 AM »

I don't know about you, but I'd rather not see our metagame devolve into rushing a camera to win the game.

I'd rather it be the other way around, to have a social agreement to allow those items.

ApharmdB · « **Reply #765 on:** October 04, 2011, 07:35:11 AM »

Just 2 observations of mine - 1. I'd rather face an enemy team with 4 bows than 2 SDLs (anyone in that game where Hakurei's Hina and Kaguya farmed SDLs each would probably agree with this), and 2. the camera is damn overpowered yes, but I'm slightly amused by the recognition of this fact and the lack of QQ over Tewi who, after taking her R and W skills into account, has a pretty high chance of doing more than 12% of your mHP per hit (6% base multiplied by 2 from proc chance, multiplied by 1.4 yet again from Lucky Inaba (stacks multiplicatively, not additively), and then taking into account the free -8 armour on attack she gets from her R skill....) And since it's physical damage, heaven help you if she farms a nice boat, because after taking into account all the fun multipliers, she has a chance of doing over 50% of your mHP per hit then, and actually has the aspd to take advantage of stuff like that...

Dormio Ergo Sum · « **Reply #766 on:** October 04, 2011, 07:42:17 AM »

I lump Tewi into the "lolagi" group. V:

Pesco · « **Reply #767 on:** October 04, 2011, 07:56:26 AM »

We're not banning Tewi. Ever. :V

trancehime · « **Reply #768 on:** October 04, 2011, 08:07:24 AM »

Quote from: Pesco on October 04, 2011, 06:36:35 AM

If the item is so accessable, then it's an option for the weaker player to give themselves an edge in the fight.

Watch as the weaker players fail to use the Bow properly :V

I think we all have one example in mind :getdown:

Dular · « **Reply #769 on:** October 04, 2011, 08:25:01 AM »

Quote from: Kalia on October 04, 2011, 08:07:24 AM

I think we all have one example in mind :getdown:

Dangit Brown.

Helepolis · « **Reply #770 on:** October 04, 2011, 08:31:29 AM »

We're banning Tewi?

Fine with me.

Dorakyura · « **Reply #771 on:** October 04, 2011, 09:30:34 AM »

I don't think we need to ban Tewi. She is strong but not super OP like Flan or Aya.
She is on a Nazrin level of power. So if we ban her we should also ban Nazrin aswell and Flan, Kisume, Nue, Koishi, Aya, Hatate, Mokou, Kaguya....

Dular · « **Reply #772 on:** October 04, 2011, 09:58:04 AM »

Just ban dots.

You can still start dots with a crowd of rowdy people, but you may not play dots. That might be imba.

Helepolis · « **Reply #773 on:** October 04, 2011, 10:43:36 AM »

Dora, that was obviously a joke :V

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[12:37:47] <Pesco> @removeban yamame
[12:37:48] <Rinnosuke> - Removed yamame from banned -

We are unbanning Yamame conditionally that you don't use her ult.

"WTF HELEPOLIS, DUMB". DWI. She plays fine without her ult (blame devs for fucking around with it) and it is kind of sad that just because of that, she is banned. We'll see how this works until end of the week.

Pesco · « **Reply #774 on:** October 04, 2011, 10:52:13 AM »

HELEPOLIS U DUM

Dular · « **Reply #775 on:** October 04, 2011, 10:55:23 AM »

Even I am cringing at unbanned Yamame unban. Those spiders man.. Just the spiders.

Kills Yuugi instantly I saw. 5000hp Yuugi, cast spiders, Yuugi forced to stand there because net, dead.

Pesco · « **Reply #776 on:** October 04, 2011, 11:02:45 AM »

It's okay. We'll just have the person playing Yamame not use any of her good skills.

Helepolis · « **Reply #777 on:** October 04, 2011, 11:09:06 AM »

Make new achievements. Yamame trap only. Only her Net is allowed and must kill someone within that period.

Thanuris · « **Reply #778 on:** October 04, 2011, 02:42:54 PM »

But Yamame needs her ult against jerks with disables! I'd rather see her banned instead of having to play her without ult (same as Rumia)

CloverNaght · « **Reply #779 on:** October 04, 2011, 04:18:24 PM »

inb4 Amra replies "I CAME"