[WC3 - Dots] General discussion thread II

[CloverNaght]

Ip Man - Solo kill an entire team with no assists from teammates or teammates nearby. (You need to have watched the Ip Man movie to get this reference... or just http://www.facebook.com
/random

ROFL IP MAN

[Dormio Ergo Sum]

Pacifist Run - Be on the winning team with no kills.

I don't think I've done this.

Legend of Hourai - Be on the winning team with no deaths.

Definitely not. If it's not the enemy team killing me, it will be the runes.

Ip Man - Solo kill an entire team with no assists from teammates or teammates nearby.

Sign me up.

Lunatic High - Successfully graze 3 spells within 10 seconds with red hp.

Hi rizock. Your Nue loves me.

Apparitions Stalk The Night - Random EX-Rumia. :V

Haven't randomed since EX-Rumia came out.

Unidentified Flying Fantastic Girl - Hit with 3 consecutive UFOs within 15 seconds as Nue.

Don't play Nue.

Greedisgood - As Minoriko, let a teammate die near you when your Apple or Potato Cart skills cooldown is off. :V

Don't play Minoriko either.

So Yandere... - Wreck 2 towers within 10 minutes of the game starting.

Uh, don't thinks so.Actually, Tanaka just reminded me that I got this as Alice once.

So Tsundere... - Deny an entire creep wave.

When I was hosting, yep.

Inaba of the Earth - Grab 10 runes with positive effects in a game.

This, and its inverse, has happened many, many times to me.

Resurrection Butterfly - Kill your killer within 15 seconds of your death.

I do this regularly.

[ApharmdB]

This, and its inverse, has happened many, many times to me.

You need a new achievement.

Runemaster - Picked up 50 runes in a game.

Lol

[tbax704]

Hey, isn't denying creeps means killing your own creeps?

AIs in DoTA have done this a lot.

[Captain Infinity]

Hey, isn't denying creeps means killing your own creeps?

AIs in DoTA have done this a lot.

Denying your own creeps and last hitting enemy creeps is common.. Everyone needs to learn how to do it to some degree else they don't qualify as good players.

[CloverNaght]

How about cardmaster achievement

[Amraphenson]

Pacifist Run - Definitely. Usually whenever I get Letty, though I TEND TO SNOWBALL KS. NOT MY FAULT.
Legend of Hourai - On the rare occasion I play Kaguya, or Mokou if I'm really trying.
Ip Man - HJ. OKUU. Or spiders derping everyone.
Lunatic High - Lolno. My luck is horrible.
Apparitions Stalk the Night - NO. NEVER. I REFUSE. NOT. ONE. BIT.
Unidentified Flying Fantastic Girl - lolol. But what if there's no one left alive to UFO~?  :3
So Yandere - I pride myself on my ability to do this.
So Tsundere - When I bother. Or play old Okuu.  :3
Inaba of the Earth - I ALWAYS FORGET ABOUT RUNES AFTER LIKE 10 MINUTES
Inaba of the Moon - I ALWAYS FORGET ABOUT-*shot*
Resurrection Butterfly - Yamame main. That is all.

[Dular]

Pacifist Run - Be on the winning team with no kills
Apparitions Stalk The Night - Random EX-Rumia. :V
Unidentified Flying Fantastic Girl - Hit with 3 consecutive UFOs within 15 seconds as Nue.
Greedisgood - As Minoriko, heal yourself when there's a red hp teammate nearby. :V
So Tsundere... - Deny an entire creep wave.

These are the only ones I've yet to get on that list.  Mostly because I've played Nue once and I've yet to play Minoriko.

[ApharmdB]

How about cardmaster achievement

Feel free to make up more

Moar Achievements!
Satori's Recollection - Use 15 spellcards in a game (seriously, does she really count as the single Touhou character with the most spellcards? I swear the Mokou boss fight in IN Extra involves more spellcards.)
Border of Life - Stay at red hp for over 2 min without dying when there're enemy units/girls within a distance of 1000 units :V
Stole the Precious Thing - Steal a concordia from someone

[CloverNaght]

can only think five four atm lol
Kappanet - buy only cucumber for the whole game (tea,cards,and even yukkuris is not allowed) and win the game
Unfaithful - never use any faith (i.e genji devour, moriya stun, etc etc) and win the game
Cardmaster(from my previous post) - buy AND use 30 cards (any type)
Queen of Yukkuris - buy 40 yukkuris and get at least 2 kills with them (you can give item for those yukkuris)
 EDIT:removed trickster achievement because its next to impossible

[Ace-Royale]

Never Gonna Give (You) Up - Go canon build for a girl, buyback every single time you die.

[CloverNaght]

You are (not) alone:never stays near 2k range from allies past 10 mins

[tbax704]

Pacifist Run - With AIs? Never, but I can do that. Just make their hp red and they will run away to their base.

Legend of Hourai - Obvious with AIs

Ip Man - Same as above

Lunatic High - Need to do this with real people

Apparitions Stalk The Night - Epic Fail :V

Unidentified Flying Fantastic Girl - I forgot,maybe I did this once.

Greedisgood - Who needs allies when fighting AIs?

So Yandere... - Did this with Alice and Koishi.

Inaba of the Earth - I only grabbed a rune twice. One of them makes me explode which makes me less likely to pick them up again.

Resurrection Butterfly - A lot.

[Captain Infinity]

AI does not count for these achievements.

EDIT:

Since we're getting achievements, here's mine:

Achievement	Requirements
Cirno's Math Class	Win as Cirno while having items that provide INT (tickets, drinks, cards, yukkuris are not allowed).
You Can (Not) Advance	Win a 2 hour long game.
And Then Will There Be None?	Have a total wipe of all players in the game.
Scarlet Weather Rhapsody of all Humankind	Wipe out all enemy heroes with Tenshi's Scarlet Weather Rhapsody.
Master Engineer	Win with only non-recipe items.
Operation Ten-Go	Kill two heroes (allied or enemy) with Minamitsu's boat crash ability while being inside.

[Hero999]

Eye'm the Strongest - Achieve 9 Kills 9 Deaths 9 Assists

fufufu

[Pesco]

The helepolis: Last hit all enemy towers

[ApharmdB]

Killing 2 Birds with 1 Stone - Kill 2 birds with 1 stone

Angry Bird - Charge into the enemy team at least 3 seconds ahead of your own team, taking out at least one girl and dying. Can only be gotten with certain heros. :V

Whosyourdaddy - Be invulnerable/invincible (i.e. a state where you cannot take any damage) during a team battle for at least 15 seconds continuously.

[Dular]

DOTS .966B!  OMG!  =O

For the record, this was entirely translated from engrish, so it might not be 100%.  I do this because no one else is on hand to translate.

WEATHER
Scarlet Mist consumption Faith 8 -> 5
Consumption of Faith East Asian Rain 8 -> 12
Drizzle consumption Faith 8 -> 12
Add weather wind level
River mist consumption Faith 15 -> 20
Added weather sun
Added weather storm
Spring Haze consumption faith spend 15 -> 35
Faith cap 99999--> 100 !


SKILLS
Rumia icon to remove the extra skills(?)
Rumia innate skills added
Rumia's "is ~ that ~ so ~" The girls can not afford to eat the damage and restore blood 150/200/250 -> 300/450/600 (?)
Meiling's, "Fierce Tigers inner strength" damage 50 -> 30 + x3% maximum health
Flandre's destruction "core breaker" bonus damage 15% -> 12.5%
Lunasa Added
Merlin str 22 + 2.10 -> 24 + 2.30 21 + 1.80 int -> 19 + 1.60
Merlin "Prismriver Concerto - Trumpet Solo" value changed from 6% to 10% max hp
Merlin Maddening Fantasy Music health regen +2.5 -> +3.0
Merlin Exciting Trumpet Piece - First Movement return rate 80/100/120% -> 100/125/150%
Lyrica's Agi 22 + 2.10 -> 24 + Str 21 + 1.80 2.30 -> 19 + 1.60 (?)
Lyrica Key Ghost "Bosendorfer" cooldown 18/15/12/9 -> 19/16/13/10
Lyrica Key Ghost "Rhythmic Keyboard Piece - First Movement" cooldown 135 -> 120/110/100
Wriggle's Lamp Sign "Firefly Phenomenon" (D) -> innate skill
Wriggle new  skill "unseasonable Butterfly Storm"
Wriggle Insect Sign "Insect Storm"  new buff, +10hp +1 attack for each level Wriggle has.
Mystia "Blind Nightbird" Damage Done 0 -> 150/275/400
Tewi Cunning Rabbit "Ancient Duper" bomb time 180 seconds -> 240 seconds
Kaguya Impossible Request "Hourai Barrage -Rainbow Danmaku-" cooldown 14 -> 12
Kaguya Udongein Planting cooldown 190/150/110/70 -> 160/130/100/70
KaguyaImpossible Request "Dragon?s Necklace?Indomitable Will- Everlasting Life-Patient Mind" health 400/600/800 -> 400/700/1000
Mokou Immortal "Fire Bird -Flying Phoenix-" cooldown 13/15/17/19 -> 17
Medicine "Sweet Poison" silence time 3/4/5/6 -> 1.5/2.0/2.5/3.0
Nitori Chemistry "Light Saber Energy Reaction"base damage 15/30/45/60 -> 16/32/48/64
Sanae Divine Virtue "Bumper Crop Rice Shower" cooldown 120 -> 135
Suwako  Native God ?Gushing Spring of the Ancient? cooldown 16 -> 13
Iku Thorn Sign "Thundercloud stickleback" damage 40/60/80/100 -> 40/55/70/85
Iku Light Star "Dragon God?s Sigh" damage 40/60/80/100 -> 40/55/70/85
Yamame Poison Sign "Japanese Foliage Spider" Agility 2% per IAS 9 -> 4% IAS
Yuugi Oni's Voice "Annihilating Roar" damage 155/210/265/320 -> 110 + force x1.10/140 + power x1.40/170 + power x1.70/200 + power x2.00 (Needs better translation!)
Yuugi Oni's Voice "Annihilating Roar"cooldown of 8 -> 11/9.5/8.0/6.5
Yuugi Feat of Strength "Wind Blowing Down from Mt. Ooe" probability 5/10/10/15% -> 5/8/11/14%
Yuugi Feat of Strength "Wind Blowing Down from Mt. Ooe" knockback from 700 -> 500
Utsuho "Hell and Heaven Meltdown" mana regen 6/12/24/48 -> 5/10/20/40
Utsuho "Hell's Tokamak" reduced by 3% to 23% -> 2% to 18%
Murasa Nice Boat "Spinach" increase in STR from 36/48/60/72 -> 33/44/55/66
Shou Demon of Purification damage 80/135/190/245 -> 95/145/195/245
Shou "Complete Clarification" damage 220/330/440 -> 250/375/500
Suika Missing Purple Power no longer lose mana on cast.
Sunny Milk added

ITEMS

Don't wanna.  Someone else do it.  Here it is in glorious chinese and engrish though.

- 新增物品很值钱的礼物 - Add a very valuable gift items
- BL符冷却时间30 -> 20 - BL Fu cooldown 30 -> 20
- 新增物品月面之弓弦 - New items on the bow side
- 护士人偶合成修改为初期魔法教学(450) + 天狗的护符(500) + 合成卷(150) - Nurse dolls for the initial synthesis of modified teaching magic (450) + Tengu's Charm (500) + Synthetic Volume (150)
- 护士人偶智力+6 攻速+12% 可施展技能急救 - Nurse dolls Intellect +6 +12% attack speed can display their emergency skills
- 网引合成修定河童手枪(1100) + 面罩(1000) + 小改锥(1800) + 制作书(1000) = 总价(4900) - Net synthesis revisions cited Kappa pistol (1100) + mask (1000) + small screwdriver (1800) + production of the book (1000) = total (4900)
- 网引属性力量+14 敏捷+14 护甲+4 攻击+26 - Network attributes cited Armor +4 Strength +14 Agility +14 Attack +26
- 网引效果持续6秒->5秒降低智力60->50 - Network quoted for 6 seconds -> 5 seconds to reduce intelligence 60 -> 50
- 三次元合成修定很值钱的礼物(1100) + 登月制作章(1000) + 酒(875) + 制作书(1825) = 总价(4800) - Coordinate synthesis of a very valuable gift revised (1100) + the moon making Chapter (1000) + wine (875) + production of the book (1825) = total (4800)
- 三次元属性力量+14 智力+14 回魔+160% - Coordinate property back to the magic power of +14 Intellect +14 +160%
- 替身人偶合成修定护士人偶(1100) + 猫爪(1000) + 冰精祝福过的青蛙(900) + 制作书(1700) = 总价(4700) - Stand-in puppet doll nurses synthetic revised (1100) + Cat's Claw (1000) + ice fine blessed frog (900) + production of the book (1700) = total (4700)
- 替身人偶智力+14 敏捷+14 攻击+25 攻速+25% - Stand-in puppet Intellect +14 Agility +14 attack +25 attack speed +25%
- 钱玉合成修改为蘑菇系列(540) + 小锤子(1400) + 合成卷(410) - Qian Yu synthetic modified mushroom series (540) + small hammer (1400) + Synthetic volume (410)
- 钱玉全能力+4 -> 全能力+6 攻击力+26 -> +20 - Qian Yu full capacity +4 -> full power attack +26 +6 -> +20
- 龙星总价4200 -> 3800 持续时间4秒->5秒 - Lone Star's total 4200 -> 3800 duration of 4 seconds -> 5 seconds
- 红马总价1700 -> 1600 - Red horse total 1700 -> 1600
- 蓝马总价1550 -> 1600 - The total price of the Blue Horse 1550 -> 1600
- 这样的装备没问题吗? 7个便当清除所有负面Buff -> 启动即清除 - This equipment is no problem it? 7 lunch remove all the negative Buff -> start of clearing



These are the skills I wasn't able to make sense of.  Tell me what they are and I'll edit the post.
- Orange-day break "angel Ming moving" engine rate of 30% -> 35%
- 灵梦神技「八方鬼缚阵」冷却时间120 -> 135 - Spirit Dreams nirvana "Octagon ghost tied array" cooling time 120 -> 135
- 白莲施法前摇0.5 -> 0.4 - White Lotus magic before shaking 0.5 -> 0.4
- 白莲「超人圣白莲」替入技能「星剑之护法」 - White Lotus "Superman holy lotus" into the skills for "Star Sword of law enforcement."
- 白莲「超人圣白莲」终极技能-> 天生技随「星剑之护法」成长 - White Lotus "Superman holy lotus" ultimate skill -> natural skills with the "sword of the law-enforcement Star" Growth
- 山女瘴气「原因不明之热病」降低5% -> 增加5% - Mountain Women miasma "of fever of unknown cause" reduced by 5% -> 5%
- Yi Jiu "feathers if empty" start point to upgrade their skills shock damage 10/20/30/40
- 幽幽子樱符「全然墨染之樱」 冷却时间8 -> 6 - Faint sub-cherry character, "the cherry dye ink completely" cooling time of 8 -> 6
- Red Penglai sister, "fast-Ching Kai Feng," with an explosive attack 18%
- 妹红爆炸效果变成提昇爆炸伤害 - To enhance the sister becomes red explosions explosive damage
- 文基础攻击28~30 -> 34~36 - Text-based attack 28 30 -> 34 ~ 36
- 文风符「风神一扇」伤害20+敏捷x0.9/27+敏捷x1.05/34+敏捷x1.20/41+敏捷x1.35 -> 30+敏捷x0.8/38+敏捷x1.0/46+敏捷x1.2/54+敏捷x1.4 - Style character "Fengshen a" harm x0.9/27 + 20 + agility agility agility x1.05/34 + x1.20/41 + Agility x1.35 -> 30 + agility x0.8/38 + Agility x1 .0/46 + agility x1.2/54 + Agility x1.4
- Four Seasons trial "rather pear-Net trial," the crime of conversion of 10% for each attack -> no conversion
- 转转厄符「噩运储存」冷却时间90 -> 125 - Around Ecuador character "Caucasian Save" cooling time 90 -> 125

[XpyM]

Hello everybody.
I couldn't decide in what topic I should write, so writing here. I see only guides here, so delete my post if it's not wanted.
I like play DotS and I like Sakuya, but think she is weak and can't understand why is she being nerfed over and over again. So I decide that just can not play her right. So could someone wright a guide "How to play Sakuya", please? Maybe just some advices in private message. Thank you.

[Rikter]

If it makes you feel any better none of us understand half of the changes the devs make either :V

As for a guide getting made most people around here don't write guides. It was a thing that kinda happened for a week or 2 then just stopped because everyone is like "Durr all heros are easy."

On a side note one of the new Weathers is 522 ms.

[Helepolis]

Meiling is temporarily banned until the stupid Devs learn to test their stuff proper before releasing.

Reason:
- Missing model aka invisible

[Dormio Ergo Sum]

Hello everybody.
I couldn't decide in what topic I should write, so writing here. I see only guides here, so delete my post if it's not wanted.
I like play DotS and I like Sakuya, but think she is weak and can't understand why is she being nerfed over and over again. So I decide that just can not play her right. So could someone wright a guide "How to play Sakuya", please? Maybe just some advices in private message. Thank you.

There are two ways to play Sakuya.
One is to build her into a carry, like any other AGI carry.
The other is to build her burst damage when she uses her ult.

Whenever I play Sakuya, I go for the latter. What you're aiming to do with the burst damage is to build up your mana pool so that, when you use your ult, you can spam the hell out of your knives and hopefully kill the enemy right then and there.
This method probably isn't as efficient as carry Sakuya, and it's also harder to play than carry Sakuya, and it will punish you for experiencing and lag or delay, but I find it more interesting.

[Dr Rawr]

I thought we went over this, building int only on sakuya yields less damage then having more agi. Its probably better to balance them both out

[Dormio Ergo Sum]

This method probably isn't as efficient as carry Sakuya, and it's also harder to play than carry Sakuya, and it will punish you for experiencing and lag or delay, but I find it more interesting.

[Dr Rawr]

Yea im talking about the same method, her spamming your knives will deal more damage with having a higher agi then int

[Dormio Ergo Sum]

I'm not saying you ignore AGI altogether, you know.
Just you don't get nearly as much as you would if you were going for the carry build.

[Dr Rawr]

Well im just saying building int/mp up would be a waste all together. Sakuyas ult increases mp cost percentage wise, so theres probably some break point you can come up with where getting more mp would be insufficient. Probably having 1 hakkero(for damage) on sakuya would suffice rest being agi items

[Dormio Ergo Sum]

Who knows.
I don't play Sakuya nearly enough to care about that.

[tbax704]

Well, I use AGI items like Kitsune Exalt to boost her damage and SubDoll for her mana. The others are up to you.

Never tried this on real people yet, but AI's are helpless with her ult. Takes 2 seconds to kill multiple AIs.

Killing 2 Birds with 1 Stone - Kill 2 birds with 1 stone

With Suika I threw a dying AI to another dying AI. Double kill LOL :V

[Hero999]

Well im just saying building int/mp up would be a waste all together. Sakuyas ult increases mp cost percentage wise, so theres probably some break point you can come up with where getting more mp would be insufficient. Probably having 1 hakkero(for damage) on sakuya would suffice rest being agi items

Int build up is now effective :3
Go Go Bow Item Int x 4 + 200 Har har har