Let's Discuss Puella Magi Madoka Magica, Happiest Anime Ever

[Lexicat]

DO NOT THROW SOULS
Btw, Madoka + Inception <3

+1 for the Meduka
 
Inception. 'Nuff said. <3

[JT]

Is it "evil" if you do something that you perceive as good even if it is bad? If you think you save somebodie's life but instead you kill somebody, was that act evil?
And it is not the lack for a capability of guilt, it is the lack for a capability to see what is wrong with your action.

I would argue that those two are precisely one and the same. Like I said, Jame Gumb thinks of his victims as objects. He doesn't perceive the suffering he inflicts on them. He just wants to become a woman, and doesn't see what's wrong with what he is doing. Would you say he isn't evil?

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Considering how far his mind seems to be distant from that of a human, if he were a human, he actually would not be legally accountable for those actions. He would be locked up in a mental institution, not a prison.

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How do you figure? He seems perfectly capable of rational thought. He clearly understands that the contracts result in an outcome that the girls don't want. He effectively tortures and kills them, yet feels nothing. Most actual people who meet that description in real life end up in prison or on the gallows.

You do not see how it is semantics? Whether or not

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Kyuubey is "evil" is nothing but semantics, because it hinges completely on the precise definition of evil.

Some definitions would fit, some would not.

Doesn't that kind of go without saying in any discussion of good and evil? You're the one who challenged my assertion in the first place, bub.

He supposedly knows alot more than we know, and the perceived distance of the event might be because of his actions in the first place. Not to mention that how close real life science applies to the setting of the anime is questionable, considering

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kyuubey's not really scientific explanation of entropy in the first place

as well as, you know, the existence of magic.  :derp:

Point. :derp: But this idea that he's already been preventing it this whole time, or he knows something we don't that justifies what he's doing is a little too speculative for me to stomach. As far as we know, there's no legitimate reason why he can't hold off for a while and look for some other solution. The burden is on the author to explain something like that, which he didn't.

DO NOT THROW SOULS

WE YO FRANDS MEDUKA

also

[PX]

It is answered that this is simply the most effective and efficient method they have found.

[Affinity]

If QB already has a solution that has worked for pretty much the entirety of human history, then why is there a need to find something else?  "Humanity" doesn't mean much to QB just as lower life-forms don't mean much to us; if we had a way to kill monkeys in order to stave off global warming, chances are that we would do it; no matter how inhumane; I think this applies to QB's race as well.  Also, for QB's race to be concerned about the heat death of the universe, they must have solved pretty much all problems concerning their race already to care, so why shouldn't they work towards a solution to their one remaining problem early and utilize the one available option that does not have any cost to them?  Since this is so implicit, I doubt the author actually has the responsibility to 'explain' why QB's race are doing what they are doing, as you say.

[Tengukami]

If QB already has a solution that has worked for pretty much the entirety of human history, then why is there a need to find something else?  "Humanity" doesn't mean much to QB just as lower life-forms don't mean much to us; if we had a way to kill monkeys in order to stave off global warming, chances are that we would do it; no matter how inhumane; I think this applies to QB's race as well.

I think the point of that is that humanity can be and is just as cruel and lacking in empathy.

Also, I would love to see the "he doesn't feel emotions or sympathy and therefore isn't evil" used as the defense of a serial killer. I'm sure that'd fly amazingly well.

[Nobu]

I'm in the middle of marathoning. Eps 1-9 completed, three more episodes to go. So much for sleeping tonight. @_@

[ふとくていなねこじょおう]

I'm in the middle of marathoning. Eps 1-9 completed, three more episodes to go. So much for sleeping tonight. @_@

Madoka's fan magnet is unstoppable.  :3

[Nobu]

Madoka's fan magnet is unstoppable.  :3

It's kinda like any popular thing, like Gurren Lagann, Homestuck, or Umineko. You hear chatter about it so much from people you come in contact with depending on what channels you frequent, and eventually it gets really annoying when you have no idea what people are talking about. And if it's something you actually want to watch, it gets to be a pain avoiding spoilers X_o

I had been planning on starting the series for some time though, but I didn't want to start anything until I was done with school. Finally broke down and watched it last night. All of it.

I had Madoka themed dreams. She saved us when two of our member's soul gems got depleted :]

[Suikama]

...which two? :V

[ふとくていなねこじょおう]

It's kinda like any popular thing, like Gurren Lagann, Homestuck, or Umineko. You hear chatter about it so much from people you come in contact with depending on what channels you frequent, and eventually it gets really annoying when you have no idea what people are talking about. And if it's something you actually want to watch, it gets to be a pain avoiding spoilers X_o

Kinda like Touhou, except not so hype-ish.

I had Madoka themed dreams. She saved us when two of our member's soul gems got depleted :]

Ok, now that's badass.  :3

[Letty Whiterock]

It's kinda like any popular thing, like Gurren Lagann, Homestuck, or Umineko.

Two of these are actually good.

[Kilgamayan]

Are you including Madoka in that "two"?

[Nobu]

...which two? :V

I'm not sure. I think the dead ones were Kyoko and Sayaka. I'm not sure if I was Homura, Madoka, just wearing Madoka's costume, or something else entirely. But I was wielding the bat that Maki transfigures for Sayaka in one of the earlier eps, I remember that..

It was weird too. It was me and another person, and Kyoko and Sayaka's gems were on the ground and blackened. Then a geyser opened up nearby, and purified the gems. Then I had to finish an incantation and hold my bat over Kyoko's gem to revive her, but I forgot her name so I sorta mumbled through the incantation. :V

[communist unity (comm-unity)]

I'm not sure. I think the dead ones were Kyoko and Sayaka. I'm not sure if I was Homura, Madoka, just wearing Madoka's costume, or something else entirely. But I was wielding the bat that Maki transfigures for Sayaka in one of the earlier eps, I remember that..

It was weird too. It was me and another person, and Kyoko and Sayaka's gems were on the ground and blackened. Then a geyser opened up nearby, and purified the gems. Then I had to finish an incantation and hold my bat over Kyoko's gem to revive her, but I forgot her name so I sorta mumbled through the incantation. :V

I only got the dream that involved getting killed by zombies tonight
:derp:

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dream topic go

[Drake]

I dreamed I was dreaming about a dream where I dreamed about Madoka.

[Suikama]

I dreamed I was dreaming about a dream where I dreamed about Madoka.

we need to go wider

[Kilgamayan]

Oh yeah/ Well, I dreamed a dream in time gone by, when hope was high and life worth living.

[Tengukami]

Did the tigers come at night, with their voices soft as thunder?

[triangles]

But but, if they do they'll tear your hope apart and turn your dream to shame  :ohdear:

[Drake]

There was a time when

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Incubators

were kind
When their voices were mellow,
And their words inviting

There was a time when wishes were blind
And the world was a choir,
And the soundtrack was exciting
There was a time...
It all went wrong...

I wished a wish in time gone by
When hope was high,
And life worth living
I dreamed that

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mami

would never die
I dreamed that Urobochi would be forgiving...

Then I was young and unafraid
And wishes were made and used and wasted
There was no ransom to be paid
No egg darkened, no seed unused

But the witches come at  night,
With their kisses soft as thunder,
As they tear your hope apart
And they turn your wish to despair

She fought a month or so by my side
She filled my days with endless wonder
She took my innocence in her

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death

And she was gone when

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walpurgis

came

And still I wish I can protect her
That we will live the years together
But there are dreams that cannot be
And there are contracts we cannot weather

I had a wish my life would be
So different from this hell I'm living
So different now from what it seemed...
Now time has killed the wish I wished.

[Dizzy H. "Muffin" Muffin]

In the immortal words of ... probably lots of people, ilu drake

[triangles]

ITT: Les Madoka-rables.

[Tengukami]

WINNING

I had to sing this song in high school chorus, and naturally hated it with a passion, but you've renewed my enjoyment of it.

BEHOLD, THE POWER OF ANIME!

[Bias Bus]

[blah]

Just so you know, QB looks awesome when you have Rock Solid playing in your headphones.

Also, really got a Nyx-ish vibe during the Walpurgisnacht fight. Good shit all around though, ending made me think there would be a sequel but...meh, I'm fine with how things turned out none the less.

[Nobu]

I just listened to the first audio drama cd, and I found out a couple things.

1. My Japanese is MUCH better than I thought, I could probably make a transcript if I spent some time on it.
2.

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Madoka's wish in the first timeline where Homura is originally from was to save a kitty named Amy.

The drama basically covers the beginning of the 10th episode to the beginning of the first Walpurugis Night. Some parts are straight from the anime, but other parts are elaborated upon much more, like

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conversations between Madoka and Homura after they first meet, and a scene where Madoka uses magic on Homura during PE to make her perform better, but it goes out of control to where Mami has to bail her out. She gets depressed after and gets preyed upon by a Witch, and then she gets saved like in the anime. Afterwards Madoka talk about why she became a magical girl and how she was the same as Homura, telling her to think about it carefully and decide her future for herself.

If the drama was already brought up earlier in the thread, sorry :derp:

[Drake]

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<Madoka> Think about your decision carefully, don't go throwing your life away! Make sure you wish for something you'd be willing to risk your life for, to spend the rest of your life fighting to protect it!
<Homura> So what did you wish for?

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<Madoka> i saved a kitty

[ふとくていなねこじょおう]

...Nice fucking going, Madoka.

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But at least the kitty got saved. Maybe it's the same one in the OP?

Also

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I'm starting to wonder...the girls that Madoka saved might have somehow fused together and formed the Walpurgisnacht. After all, Walpurgis Night is the gathering of witches. The green-haired girl must be the anchor for the fusion, given how her magic got depleted right in the middle of a circle of Maypoles, which signal to Walpurgisnacht's carnival of hell theme. The other girls must have had their magic depleted at the same time. Such an event must have been so rare, and happened in such a synchronized way that it somehow their corrupted souls resonated and later fused, thus forming Walpurgisnacht.

[Nobu]

Connecting maypoles and carnivals is kind of a stretch. Walpurgis might be the result of a fusion of a number of witches, but I don't think the specific girls they showed were special beyond just being other Puella Magi.

[Nobu]

@Drake: Madoka was still very much under the mindset of "I just want to be a Puella Magi so I can save and help people, and be good at something." Basically a throwaway wish.

[ふとくていなねこじょおう]

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Connecting maypoles and carnivals is kind of a stretch. Walpurgis might be the result of a fusion of a number of witches, but I don't think the specific girls they showed were special beyond just being other Puella Magi.

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Actually, if you look closely enough, Walpurgis's familiars look exactly like those magical girls Madoka saved.