Author Topic: Darker than Black Mafia (Game Over Scum win) (Read 46767 times)

Bardiche · « **Reply #570 on:** April 13, 2011, 05:05:46 PM »

How can everyone seriously be frustrated? I mean, come on, I have to suffer people doing weird things each game, I don't get to do weird things for once?

Well, whatever. If I'm really such a point of frustration for people, I'll get that modkill rolling since I don't want to ruin the game for others.

If you have reasons to vote me BESIDE that you're annoyed, get on that, and I'll make a bomb out of the towniest town I can find in the game. If I decide to bombify myself, and you're town, for god's sake don't hammer me if you're a good power role.

If you agree that someone else is scummier, well, I'd recommend Schezo. :V Not only because lurking but as I said, opinions he gives? Not much.

This is his first real post and you know, it ends on capt h being "strangest" and "not pro-town", without ever voting him for being scummy. Most of the stuff on capt h is reporting, then saying capt h needs to make up his mind. OK, but which stance did you like best, and why was he scummiest?
He doesn't post again until the Day's almost over, stating such gems as:

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Ugh, beyond that I would like him to die since he has nothing to really say about others and everything else about him has already been beat over the head with a stick.

On Zakeri... when this is Schezo's second post with opinions. He iterates that his vote stays on Capt h, but the reasons are... lackluster at best, and the entiriety of D1 he has discussed Zakeri, Helepolis and Capt H. With a one-liner about me being wacky but interesting.

His reasons for voting me aren't entirely bright, as he claims I jumped off the capt h case to look town... but then doesn't explain why I would want to jump back on capt h. That he later acknowledges I did so does nothing to explain why it was so damning.

Still talking about Helepolis and Zakeri.

Aaaand there's nothing of value elsewhere instead of a vote on NeoSerela (understandable) and some complaints about me. The argument in his latest post is sily ("Why would I do X?" - "Because you could be lying." -> "Second, WIFOM!").

Does that answer your question of "Why me?", Schezo?

Conqueror · « **Reply #571 on:** April 13, 2011, 05:40:49 PM »

tl;dr version of the post I was going to write because I should get this out before I get cut again.

************************Happy Happy List Time Part Three************************

~~Bardiche is as unreadable as ever.~~ Bard is suspicious as hell this game. I've previously pointed out why I thought his vote switches from and to capt. h were suspicious, and he's spent most of the game prancing around and generally playing with the Idiot Ball. I can further elaborate on this later. Now we get to the problem of his claim. The problem with scum!Bard is that it would require him to crumb his role in the early game, prance around like an idiot for the rest of the day, pissing off half the town in the process, and all this for a chance at setting up a fakeclaim. This would be a scum gambit of mind-blowing stupidity. I agree with Bard in that scum!bombmaker Bard would have no reason not to bombify capt. h; especially given how he spent a lot of day 1 touching capt. h anyway, it would have been easy to slip a fake command in there. And townies would never know what happened (as the end of day flip and the night flips are revealed simultaneously), because Bard would have no reason to claim.
Bardiche's immediate reaction to the end of D1 flips is interesting. He immediately assumes that Serp vigs Shadoweh, a situation I think is highly unlikely as previously stated. There was also no need for Bard to soft claim at that moment in time - as scum or town - so I'm not sure what to make of this.

Anyway, from what I can conclude there are a few possibilities.
1) Bard is a liar and his role is something like huh what suggested - he blows people up instead of bombifying them.
2) Bard is telling the truth and there is some sort of bus driver or role redirector out there who switched Shadoweh and UK. I say UK because from looking at Serp's posting history, if he did have a vig, he would have targeted UK or one of the lurkers (or Zakeri, forgot about him).
3) Bard is telling the truth and there are some other silly roles out there that I won't even bother speculating.

Right now I'm actually leaning towards option 2 or 3 for reasons stated.

The problem with NeoSerela's plan is that even if Bard isn't lying about his claim, that doesn't mean he's town - it just makes it more likely he is town. But being able to verify Bard's role is nice, I suppose. If we are going to go by that plan, then I think Schezo would be the best option at the moment. I'm not going to be around at day end though, so if we do decide this we should do it quickly.

UK and Zakeri post coming up in a few minutes.

Warning - while you were typing 49 new replies have been posted. You may wish to review your post. YEAAAAHHHHHHHHHH

Schezo · « **Reply #572 on:** April 13, 2011, 05:43:21 PM »

Except for the part where you dont compared me to the others but ok, this point is more important that you just made:

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The argument in his latest post is sily ("Why would I do X?" - "Because you could be lying." -> "Second, WIFOM!").

So what you're telling me is I took the trap of a WIFOM loaded question you asked to at least two others and now I'm scummy for that? How do you honestly answer that question without being Bard when we don't know what you are thinking?

Helepolis · « **Reply #573 on:** April 13, 2011, 05:47:41 PM »

Quote from: Conqueror

The problem with NeoSerela's plan is that even if Bard isn't lying about his claim, that doesn't mean he's town - it just makes it more likely he is town. But being able to verify Bard's role is nice, I suppose. If we are going to go by that plan, then I think Schezo would be the best option at the moment. I'm not going to be around at day end though, so if we do decide this we should do it quickly.

We seem to have a small problem here though, mainly I am concerned about huh what. He is most likely stuck on Bardiche vote because of his power backfire. The question is, what will the Serela bandwagoners do in the next hours...

Also, you and Hourai are still fooling around. I highly doubt HW can do anything any more. Mainly as he warned already.

Conqueror · « **Reply #574 on:** April 13, 2011, 05:48:58 PM »

Also, Helepolis, what in Pete's sake are you doing? We can all tell huh what, PX, and the rest are screwing around with their powers. Get an opinion post out now so we know where you stand on things. As in, I want to know who you think is scum, not who you think is screwing around - that would be basically everybody at this point.

Cut: Eh?

Conqueror · « **Reply #575 on:** April 13, 2011, 05:50:18 PM »

Quote from: Helepolis on April 13, 2011, 05:47:41 PM

We seem to have a small problem here though, mainly I am concerned about huh what. He is most likely stuck on Bardiche vote because of his power backfire.

Actually, please elaborate on this. What "power backfire"?

Bardiche · « **Reply #576 on:** April 13, 2011, 05:56:03 PM »

Two is ridiculous on the basis that the bomb died. I am notified when the bomb I made dies, and unless it became Serpentarius, then Shadoweh was my bomb, she was killed, and it is highly likely the attacker died.

The only other option is if there IS a driver who made me bombify Serpentarius and Shadoweh attacked herself which was then redirected to Serpentarius, or scum can ignore bombs.

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why wouldn't scum make a townie a bomb who could take other townies with her if people did catch on to her strange play and buddying up to you and she later got mislynchd?

I mean that I cannot answer this question. Yeah, the reasons for why I would do X are all WIFOM, I s'pose, so you can just stop thinking about why I would do what I do!

But no, the question I asked Zak is to highlight why it is more likely behaviour to attribute to scum than to an honest town. Each interpretation of actions is two-sided, and you can always present the other side and argue why this is not the case to you.

I provided an explanation for my side; you didn't provide an explanation as to how a Scum!Me would bank off of that given the nature of my power? It would be damn good play to play a townShadoweh that way.

Conqueror · « **Reply #577 on:** April 13, 2011, 05:56:14 PM »

EBWOTP: Also, what's this statement that Hourai is screwing around supposed to mean anyway? You keep repeating it, yet I can't remember anything Hourai has done without looking back at his posts.

Conqueror · « **Reply #578 on:** April 13, 2011, 05:59:16 PM »

Quote from: Bardiche on April 13, 2011, 05:56:03 PM

Two is ridiculous on the basis that the bomb died. I am notified when the bomb I made dies, and unless it became Serpentarius, then Shadoweh was my bomb, she was killed, and it is highly likely the attacker died.

The only other option is if there IS a driver who made me bombify Serpentarius and Shadoweh attacked herself which was then redirected to Serpentarius, or scum can ignore bombs.

Huh? I meant 2) in the sense of night actions, as in someone somehow redirected Serp's kill from whoever it was aimed at to Shadoweh. I'm not sure what you read my original point as?

Bardiche · « **Reply #579 on:** April 13, 2011, 06:00:49 PM »

"bus driver" usually makes all actions that hit x hit y instead, and vice versa.

Conqueror · « **Reply #580 on:** April 13, 2011, 06:04:32 PM »

Speaking of which, we have no idea of knowing whether Serp actually had a kill or not. Everybody is just assuming it for some reason, because it fits in with Bard's story.

@Bard: Are you suggesting a bus driver that is active at all times of the day? I have a feeling we're approaching this from completely different angles.
This is what I was thinking.
1) You bombify Shadoweh
2) Night falls
3) X is switched with Shadoweh
4) Serp sends a kill in on X
5) Serp and Shadoweh die.

Bardiche · « **Reply #581 on:** April 13, 2011, 06:05:34 PM »

Ah, like that. True, that could work. I don't know how else the mystery of the bomb can be explained unless it was magic used by the Golden Witch Beatrice.

Bardiche · « **Reply #582 on:** April 13, 2011, 06:06:54 PM »

Aaaaaaaaand we burn daylight with this speculation. Hate to break y'all outta your rut here but I kind of want to get a lynch today so we clear at least someone's alignment here and there, maybe clear some living players in the process, eh wot?

I'm all for lynching Serela as well, given it's a matter of Not Me over Me, and Schezo's lynch doesn't seem to be happening too brightly.

Helepolis · « **Reply #583 on:** April 13, 2011, 06:08:13 PM »

Quote from: Conqueror on April 13, 2011, 05:50:18 PM

Actually, please elaborate on this. What "power backfire"?

Bardiche suposingly got silenced after he used his right? If you go backtrack, that is confirmed. Indeed the moment Bard used his power on Shadoweh, he got silenced.

Most likely PX got the powers of Kazuhiko Inoue , who is able to freeze liquid, even human blood it is stated. His cigarette smoking also confirms the character. The question is, did PX freeze Bardiche's movements or did PX freeze himself... Looking at the command carefully, I am being worried Bardiche got frozen. Aka he might not be able talk or vote.

Look at at #535 and the last lines from his previous. HW first switched out PX with his powers, but makes me wonder why he used if it allows the "victim" to replace their vote. This is the confusing part. If Huh what was trying to help Town, he failed because PX strikes back.

Hourai contributed 0% useful information and has been on Serela since 2nd vote count. Either he is being extremely bad scumhunter or being a scum himself. Hence I am requesting him to stop screwing around and start doing something instead of vote-camping.

Speaking of votecamping, Dormio is a good one as well. Interesting to see him switching over to Bardiche with terrible reasoning. Especially after PX used his powers. Most likely, Dormio is trying to fly under the radar. If I analyse his voting pattern, they make 0 sense in comparison to his posts. Also suddenly he writes like 7-8 posts? For what reason?

If there are four scums in this game, it is matter of time again until they are online. And guess who is currently close to lynching? I am not going to speed up that process. This is why Conqueror, if you think Bard is town, get your ass on Schezo and same goes for Hourai. As I won't be surprised if the Serela-wagon will shift to Bardiche.

The only way to lynch Schezo is by Serela, you, Hourai.

Helepolis · « **Reply #584 on:** April 13, 2011, 06:09:59 PM »

Fuck misstypes
The next two lines of my post were suppose to be...

Most likely PX got the powers of Kazuhiko Inoue , who is able to freeze liquid, even human blood it is stated. His cigarette smoking also confirms the character. The question is, did PX freeze Bardiche's movements or did PX freeze himself... Looking at the command carefully, I am being worried Bardiche got frozen. HW also used powers and warned us, he might not be able talk or vote.

Bardiche · « **Reply #585 on:** April 13, 2011, 06:16:37 PM »

Or maybe he just roleblocked me! In fact, I should prrrrrrrobably try that out, but my renumeration means I also can't move my vote, and I kinda want a lynch today on someone.

Conqueror · « **Reply #586 on:** April 13, 2011, 06:17:05 PM »

And wow, Helepolis delivers. You need to post like that more often.
Anyway, you miss the point where we can lynch NeoSerela because you and Bardiche both vote Serela.

I have 45 minutes left before I have to go to class, so I'll get a real quick version of my Zak and UK post out.

Conqueror · « **Reply #587 on:** April 13, 2011, 06:17:47 PM »

Bard, trying moving your vote and ask for a votecount afterwards.

Bardiche · « **Reply #588 on:** April 13, 2011, 06:22:11 PM »

##Unvote
##Vote: PX

K.

Bardiche · « **Reply #589 on:** April 13, 2011, 06:22:38 PM »

MOD: REQUESTING VOTECOUNT

Pesco · « **Reply #590 on:** April 13, 2011, 06:24:38 PM »

Voting
Schezo(2): Zakeri, Bard
NeoSerela(4): Hourai, Schezo, Conqueror, UK (L-2)
Bardiche(3): huh what, Dormio, PX (L-3)

Not Voting
Helepolis, NeoSerela

11 alive, 6 to lynch.
over 2 hours remain

edit: oops miscounted the time.

Helepolis · « **Reply #591 on:** April 13, 2011, 06:26:52 PM »

I will assume the following:
- Huh what is silenced. Because of usage of powers.
- PX is silenced, he used his powers and now is silent. Also he did what he had to do, lay trap on Bardiche for Lynch-3. Basically 3 scum buddies ( assuming max 4 ) required as I suspect Dormio as the 4th scum.
- Bardiche is frozen, most likely he wont be able to bomb, maybe not even change his vote.

Worst case scenario, we will have to Lynch Serela, but then there is NK powers. . . I don't know who will bite the dust a long. Unless Serela starts doing something again instead of doing what I was suppose to be doing. I have been polishing up my Gungnir for this long and now something like this happens.

IF Hourai is Town, he is doing extremely terrible job. Players like him automatically turn Scums into majority and Townies into minority, because vote-camping. There you have it Conqueror, so decide carefully what you want to do.

Serela, why are you suddenly silent after I explained you the HW part. You asked me it, what the hell are you now doing/thinking?

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

The grouping birds from earlier make it look as if they are dancing without worries. But then, Helepolis spots suddenly unusual birds within the group as well as a trouble bird. His eyes widen as he stands up and carefully looks at the group of birds.

"This is...?." he speaks and spawns a Spear the Gungnir in his left hand. He grasps his hand firmly around it.... "My Lady..."

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Conqueror · « **Reply #592 on:** April 13, 2011, 06:30:04 PM »

huh what was still talking after his wall - I think he was just referring to general inactivity.

I think Bard is probably the only contractor who has a "shut up" renumeration.

@Bard - What do you think about bombifying yourself?

Serela · « **Reply #593 on:** April 13, 2011, 06:34:52 PM »

Quote from: Helepolis on April 13, 2011, 06:26:52 PM

Serela, why are you suddenly silent after I explained you the HW part. You asked me it, what the hell are you now doing/thinking?

I was simply wondering why you acted as if you knew what other people's powers did.

Anyway, I'm being lazy because I'm either being lynched or being a sacrificial lamb to hammer a possibly-a-bomb. Either way I'm dead

Are we going to have me hammer someone who's been bomb'd (At this point either Schezo or Bard) or just lynch me? It'd be cool to know.

Helepolis · « **Reply #594 on:** April 13, 2011, 06:37:45 PM »

Schezo cannot be bombed, lacking 1 person. You can be lynched by just me and Conqueror. Bardiche can be Lynched no matter who does what. Conqueror, even if he did use his bombing powers, the effect won't be able to be noticed until Day-end.

Seeing his vote did not change, I am almost sure he cannot use his powers either.

Bardiche · « **Reply #595 on:** April 13, 2011, 06:38:11 PM »

Voteblocking seems like such an unhelpful town ability. Use it on LyLo and you deprive town of that painfully necessary vote.

PX, explain yourself.

Conq, that is extremely unhelpful. It has the risk of derptown trying to call a bluff that's for reals, and it'd disable the power for further use.

Conqueror · « **Reply #596 on:** April 13, 2011, 06:40:55 PM »

Super quick tl;dr summary because I have to do something else.

UK: UK's ED1 has been discussed to death already, so let's skip that. I think the one thing that stands out to me about UK is her voting pattern. She seems to mainly get by on strength of words when it comes to voting. Case in point: her vote switches to capt. h and Yonuwaaru feel more like votes out of frustration rather than for scumminess. It's like she's playing up her emotions for the purpose of getting a vote out in lieu of having a clear, laid-out case. Then again, this is supposedly what UK does, and I thought she was scum last game when she did the same thing.

Zakeri: I already talked about his day one. Let's look at his day two. Votes Schezo. Promises to look over NeoSerela. Disappears for the rest of the day. ಠ_ಠ

Zak is likely scum, UK is suspicious but I read neutral on her.

@Bard: What do you suggest then, seeing as your vote has been neutered for the rest of the day?

Bardiche · « **Reply #597 on:** April 13, 2011, 06:43:05 PM »

I'm not entirely sure what PX hopes to accomplish, because all he's done now is lock me to where I am comfortable having my vote, with the only bar being that I can no longer lynch NeoSerela if I must for the sake of self-preservation.

I suggest I'm going to saunter over and touch someone and see what happens. Preferably our lynch target and having the second scummiest person lynch 'em to both evidence I'm a bombmaker AND to rid ourselves of two scummy players in one day, but given part of the people think I am such, and one of those people's neutered town's vote... Well! I dunno, I'm not entirely clear yet but we have around 2 hours to decide, right?

So how do you feel about Schezo, Conq? :b I missed it! Would you gaily vote him for JUSTICE!!?

Bardiche · « **Reply #598 on:** April 13, 2011, 06:45:53 PM »

Also, if their renumeration for PX and HW is to shut up, it means they are incredibly anti-town because they did not drive forth a particularly strong case (imo) and locked themselves off with a convenient excuse not to explain their vote, and they would not be able to change my vote: I was specifically told that my renumeration also meant my vote cannot be changed, and I doubt PX/HW would not realise this same thing if they had the same renumeration.

So yeah, if they claim tomorrow their renumeration is to shut up, then basically they're admitting to rashly using a power and conveniently escaping responsibility for whether or not town achieves a lynch! This would be far more unhelpful than anything I've yet done because blocking town's lynch is simply not pro-town.

I mean, unless it's on yourself, since you know you're town and all. :V

Serela · « **Reply #599 on:** April 13, 2011, 06:48:45 PM »

About Helepolis saying we can't lynch Schezo, sure we can! Just not in the next 10 seconds. With you(Helepolis) and Conq switching over to him we'd just need to wait for someone else to come online to vote him in the next 2~ hours, and then I can hammer, and poof, me and Schezo are both bye-bye. We're probably the scummiest looking people here anyway!

And if that doesn't work people can switch back onto me by deadline, we've got time.