Darker than Black Mafia (Game Over Scum win)

[capt. h]

That is an idealistic theory that I'm surprised you haven't proposed yet. Past attempts to outsmart Pesco's setups have only ended in tears and dead townies.

Well you told me to speculate on setup less multiple times, so I made a point of not paying much attention to it this time. I might have come up with that theory earlier had I thought about it.

[Serela]

I am extremely doubtful that waiting to the last second to lynch would stop the nightkill from happening. I'd guess that any powers that explicitly need to be used in twilight/night/whateveryoucallit could probably be sent in to the mods ahead of time, and just don't activate until then. Otherwise it'd be very unfair to anyone with such a power who wouldn't be avaliable during twilight for totally acceptable reasons (timezones=sleeping, or work, school, etc)
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Capt.h has started looking better, but as others have said, it's too little too late, and looking better now doesn't excuse the earlier badness. Especially since now we're at the point where we've only got a few hours, it's pretty much too late to lynch anyone other then capt.h or Zak, and even getting a lynch on Zak seems unlikely given the circumstances. On that note, while Zak's post is really nice, his total lack of a vote anywhere is very not. As for which I'd prefer... I'm... not entirely sure. My only big thing against Zak is how he's not voting anymore, while capt.h started shaping up, so they're both a bit so-so. I think I'd prefer capt.h.

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Bard:I'm not going to rolefish what his power is, but he obviously has SOMETHING. This wasn't even just random action spamming like he did in RVS, he deliberately made a post with nothing in it but fluff asking Shadoweh if he could touch her (and she was the most likely to say yes), and then he writes up some porn and throws in ##touch. He threw himself out there quite specifically to do nothing else but set up an excuse to make some fluff with ##Touch in it. Earlier in the day he was probably setting up an excuse to throw around random actions so he could sneak it in easier, except he got called out for it.

This doesn't necessarily make him any scummier or townier at the moment I suppose, but in case someone who isn't paying enough attention to Bard happens to be a rolecop, or something weird happens with/to/about Shadoweh later, just throwing that out there.

Helepolis:I think I'm going to agree with whoever-I-remember-saying-my-next-statement and just kind of skim over his posts until he starts making more sense and less conspiracy theories. I like that he's trying pretty hard it seems, and he looks like he could be a great player once he gets the hang of things, but his effort is a bit misguided at the moment.

Shadoweh:Okay I'm just going to assume you have to write a role-play paragraph thing every 24 hours and just kind of tune them out.

[Janitor Morgan]

Oy vey.

Hele, where are you getting the idea that Shadoweh ordered me to do anything? Here's the post you're referring to:

You're operating under alot of misconceptions that could be considered scummy, so I'm going to go over some of them. They're self-devised traps you shouldn't fall into. Providing a summary of people's actions is considered reporting, buffing your content by just showing what other people said. Don't do it, people will look for themselves and they don't appreciate the effort. Secondly don't assume anything about actions. Private actions could resolve publicly and public actions could resolve privately. You aren't "in a mess" yet, it's just crazy Bard. Just find another case on someone you think is acting scummy now that the game is going (and we're PLAYING MAFIA YAAY~) and keep your vote on them. The only thing you can do wrong is give up.

I assume you're referring to the second-to-last sentence here. How does that translate to "you are going to vote for x person because I said so"? It's just general advice that was meant to help keep me from ragequitting or losing motivation. Am I saying this automatically makes Shadoweh town? No, I don't know that for sure. All I know is that it was meant as advice, and not as a threat.

As for your accusation of "not explaining, not talking, not helping town", that is false. This is my current case on him: At the time that advice was given, capt. h had already switched his vote around several times and was suggesting that you, Helepolis, summarize the game's events...something that I had already been seen as scummy for. That is what initially drew my vote to him. capt. h went on to vote Bardiche for a one-line response to Shadoweh's shenanigans, and then later switched his vote from Bardiche to Yonowaaru, a lurker, after holding on to the Bardiche case for a reason that was weak at best. He later roleclaimed a vanilla townie, with the role name "human detective", but then went on to say

If every contractor is dead at the end of the game, I probably win. At least, I think I win. My alignment is human, and I win when all threats to town are eliminated.

Now, I know next to nothing about Darker than Black, but Pesco's flavor text in the OP suggests that not all contractors are evil. If not all contractors are evil, then there must be a few on the town's side. Why would a townie's win condition, then, depend on the deaths of other townies?

You say I haven't been talking. While my posts have been sparse for reasons previously mentioned, I have offered my opinions on the proceedings in reply #191 and #295. Notably, I've kept track of the cases against capt. h and Zakeri, as well as addressing points of your own argument. One of my responses to your speculation was said better by Serp later on:

When people act in groups, it's generally because they're looking at the same game and are likely to reach the same reasonable conclusions.  If you decide for sure that one or two people are scum, you can spend all day putting together scenarios for their interactions and their scumbuddies, but without seeing their alignments flipped first, you could quite easily be wrong and all that work could be wasted.  The game is balanced under the assumption that a townie's pick of scum will be correct only about half the time, after all.  Your scum picks this early in the game should be the people who make the most sense as scum individually.

Overall, I find your insinuation that I've been ordered onto the capt. h wagon ridiculous, and your assumption that the capt. h wagon is baseless doesn't hold up.

[capt. h]

Do you think it's safe to say that I'm today's lynch?

[Serela]

Unless people who arrive by deadline and aren't voting you are misguided enough to think a no-lynch is better then lynching you, yes.

It's not impossible for Zak for be lynched instead, but... I really don't imagine that successfully happening. 4 people who want and will vote Zak who haven't already done so showing up within the next 2 hours? Yeah no.

[capt. h]

Well then, I have nothing to lose.

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Shadoweh and Capt. H were standing across from eachother, the noose around Capt.'s neck. "I think you're scum," Shadoweh said.

"I don't care what you are," Capt. H said. a certain, lunatic glint appeared in his eyes as he smiled; "You and Bard have been driving me insane all game. And now I'm finally rid of you."

"Oh, and by the way," Capt. declared from the gallows, "You should really ##Kill Bardiche."
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Ignore this, nothing to see here.

[capt. h]

By the way, it feels great knowing I won't have to deal with your posting restrictions anymore, I'm not sure I could take another day of you two. I really am town, but I really do want you two dead five minutes ago.

[Helepolis]

Rdj, just like the rest of my suspects, you are dodging nicely the case. Of course there is no direct order visible here to you. But that is not the only problem:

Let me first see your reply:

This is my current case on him: At the time that advice was given, capt. h had already switched his vote around several times and was suggesting that you, Helepolis, summarize the game's events...something that I had already been seen as scummy for. That is what initially drew my vote to him. capt. h went on to vote Bardiche for a one-line response to Shadoweh's shenanigans, and then later switched his vote from Bardiche to Yonowaaru, a lurker, after holding on to the Bardiche case for a reason that was weak at best. He later roleclaimed a vanilla townie, with the role name "human detective", but then went on to say

That case is nothing new. You are not adding nothing new except stating what is going on. You never questioned anybody else seriously during the entire game. Only minor suspicion calls, which one was on me for vague reasons. And that was it. You are not moving any inch anymore. In my eyes, you are giving me extreme scum vibes, playing along the plan ordered to you in secret. (inb4Conspiracy theory call!).

So let me hear it from you then? As UK, Shadoweh also could not convince me on my Bardiche-case and kept on hammering me to hurry, time is ticking etc.

Bardiche vote-hopped so many times, messed up major and eventually he landed exactly what was asked from him as well.

Go ahead Rdj.

[capt. h]

I'm really sorry Bardiche and Shadoweh. But if you want to know the biggest obstacle I had to scum hunting, it was you two. Bardiche constantly stuffing fake commands into the thread and you constantly making up stories about vigging me and romantic encounters with Bardiche. And then there was the constant lovey-dovey crap. I can't take it anymore.

You too, UK, for getting between me and arguing against Shadoweh and Bard. I don't care what their role is, I can't think with those two playing under their posting restrictions. It'll be good to be gone, and I don't blame you at all for voting for me.

Finally, I don't have to hear about you and Bard and how much you two love each other just to make a case against a player. And it feels great.

[Dormio Ergo Sum]

5:50am.
What's happening?
Did capt. h just vig Bardiche?
Reading some more.

[Pesco]

Voting
capt h(7): Schezo, rdj, NeoSerela, Yonowaaru, UncertainKitten, Bard, Shadoweh (L-1)
Zakeri(4): Serp, Conqueror, Dormio, capt H(L-4)
Helepolis(1): Hanged Hourai
Bardiche(1): Helepolis

Not voting
Zakeri

capt H is at L-1
14 alive, 8 votes required for a lynch
1 hour and 10 minutes remain. Once the hammer vote is down, no more voting or unvoting will be counted.

[Conqueror]

What's going on, why are we raging.

Give me at least half an hour to make a post. I don't think I'll be hammering capt. h though unless no one else really really wants to. I'd much prefer a Zakeri lynch.

[Dormio Ergo Sum]

Uh, since it's nearing the day end and I need to do stuff and everybody else who isn't voting for capt. h seems to be missing, I'm going to hammer.
Having said that, I would still much rather see Zakeri flip, but I doubt that it's going to happen.
Lurker pass, yay.
Sorry, dude.

Warning - while you were typing a new reply has been posted. You may wish to review your post.
Huh, hi Conqueror.
I'd like to see Zakeri flip too, but it doesn't look like it's going to happen.
Willing to hammer whenever.

[capt. h]

5:50am.
What's happening?
Did capt. h just vig Bardiche?
Reading some more.

All you need to know is that I haven't lied once.

[Dormio Ergo Sum]

As an aside, I like how Zakeri still doesn't have a vote.

[WHMZakeri]

##Vote: Capt.H

[Conqueror]

Cut: What the hell Zak. I hate you.

[Conqueror]

EBWOP: Sorry, that wasn;t supposed to post. No hard feelings.  :V

[Pesco]

Final Voting
capt h(8): Schezo, rdj, NeoSerela, Yonowaaru, UncertainKitten, Bard, Shadoweh, Zakeri Lynched
Zakeri(4): Serp, Conqueror, Dormio, capt H(L-4)
Helepolis(1): Hanged Hourai
Bardiche(1): Helepolis

Not voting

14 alive, 8 votes required for a lynch
35 minutes remain for last minute actions

[Conqueror]

@Mod: Can we still talk after the hammer?

[Pesco]

Yes you can.

[Serela]

Well at least he voted. :V

[Helepolis]

* Helepolis slowly stirs the spoon in his tea. "Mistress. . . was this fate?"

[WHMZakeri]

Grated, I should be sleeping now, but I guess I'm too kind.

Also, just once, I wanted to cut someone who claimed the hammer with my own.

[capt. h]

Er, I think this is alright. This is either a Bah post or a Twilight post. (If it's not alright, please delete this).

Well, thank god that's over.

Good luck, and try not to drive any more players insane!

[Hanged Hourai]

Wh-what? Huh?
What just happened? I go away and what?

I'm going to reread a few pages(darn you no-night setup) and make a post. I apologize for not being here before the deadline.  :ohdear:

[Conqueror]

This was mostly written before the hammer, making it irrelevant now. >_> BUT WHAT THE HELL I'LL POST IT ANYWAY.

capt. h: Honestly, in all this mess, I don't really see why his actions are an indication of scumminess and not just newbness. Alright, he "rolefishes", so what? There were weird softclaims and "fake" role actions going around, and as a newbie, he'd naturally try to make some sense of it. Reminds me of my first game when Pesco fakeclaimed vig, I pressed him for it, got called out for "rolefishing", and got mislynched. The entire sequence up to his roleclaim just feels like he's dancing around in confusion, and at the very least I feel that if he had scumbuddies they would give him some sort of guidance (barring a team of complete newbscum). Well I guess that's that, and we'll see his flip now.

Zak: So he came back in and made a decent post, and the points he makes are mostly sensible. The problem is that he's mostly targeting lurkers and low-content posters, who could be seen as fairly easy targets, not to mention he didn't make a case for who he thought was most likely to be scum - he just pulls out a list of players and says, these guys are bad, put them on the chopping block. Basically Hanged Hourai is the only concrete opinion for scum he has in there. Admittedly, at this point, Zakeri has improved, but his defeatist attitude basically makes him the preferred lynch for me. Not relevant anymore since I'm not expecting D1 trains to go into D2. I do expect Zakeri to continue producing though.

Post on Bardiche, Shadoweh, and Dormio coming up I think.

[Conqueror]

Welp, missed where Zak said he would vote Schezo. Okay, scratch that little point out.

Bardiche: This entire post smells funny.

Zakeri's post reads as defeatist. I'm not happy with a player who basically doesn't really want to play, but I can get on capt h just fine. His scumhunting has begun but it's Too Little Too Late.

Wait, what? So you'd rather lynch the player you think is "scumhunting" (although honestly, I would argue that point) in favor of the player who doesn't want to play?

Not to mention this post:

Which means I'm also not going to leave my vote on you because maaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaan, you just put yourself from "scummy" to "whoah what is going on in this thread derrrrrp".

##Unvote
##Vote: Zakeri

Not willing to swap to capt h because I like the observation he made with UK and want to see more of them.

Even if you ignore the point that Zakeri could be defeatist scum, I have no idea how you went from not wanting to lynch capt. h anymore following your epiphany, to being "just fine" with his lynch.


Bah, I'm too tired to post more right now. I'll continue this later.

[Pesco]

Final Voting
capt h(8): Schezo, rdj, NeoSerela, Yonowaaru, UncertainKitten, Bard, Shadoweh, Zakeri Lynched
Zakeri(4): Serp, Conqueror, Dormio, capt H(L-4)
Helepolis(1): Hanged Hourai
Bardiche(1): Helepolis

Not voting

I hate this season...
Damp and stagnant...
But then, it fits this decaying town...
My name is Kurasawa Gai.
I'm a private eye.
I've lived my whole life watching the habits of other damp and stagnant people.
I've got nobody that I can trust. My only love is my cigarette.

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capt H - Kurusawa Gai - Human detective Lynched Day 1

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Shadoweh - Mina Hazuki - Contractor killed Day 1

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Serpentarius - Amber - Contractor killed Day 1

11 alive. 6 votes for a lynch.
You have 72 hours from the time of this post.

[Bardiche]

Serp, why did you attack Shadoweh. GDIT.