Darker than Black Mafia (Game Over Scum win)

[UncertainJakutten]

Capt. h.: If you don't get your ass in gear and produce actual, solid, scumhunting content, you are NOT living through the night. That good enough for you? Now DROP IT.

@Shadoweh: Except Zak is scum. Why are you defending scum?

[capt. h]

I'm going to assume I'm going to die, so here?s what you need to know:

Border of Life



I am Gai Kurasawa, human detective. Basically, I?m a vanilla townie. The mod is a bastard when it comes to role names, so I thought I should tell you, since you need to know that role cops will be next to useless, and that I am not in any way a role cop.

I was kind of annoyed when I got to the episode Gai was in. Gai has no positive qualitites whatsoever, and I would have rather not been associated with him. He has body odor problems, a paralyzing fear of cats, and saying his investigative style is ?unorthodox? is giving him too much credit.

Captain H.
Tell me. Who. Is scum.

Why. Does. ShadowehxBard. Concern you. At all?

How. Are your. Questions. Pro town? Did it EVER occur to you that if ANYTHING is going on, it MIGHT be in the best interest of things to keep it from scum? OBFUSCATION ISN'T ALWAYS ANTI TOWN!

You really want to know?

I just really, really can?t tolerate the Shadoweh x Bard or the Shadoweh threatening a vig on me at night. It?s distracting, annoying, and I?m sure it has something to do with one of the roles. Frankly, I?m not sure I care. If every contractor is dead at the end of the game, I probably win. At least, I think I win. My alignment is human, and I win when all threats to town are eliminated.

Now, I think you?re scum. See, I think we have two town wagons here, and I see you at the center of both of them, making sure they both took off. If you aren?t scum, then I?m sure scum is thanking you right now for doing their job for them. Course I suppose I?ll only know if both wagons are town when Zak flips.

Not only that, but you keep swearing whenever I try to make inquiries. It?s very annoying, and the way you defend Shadoweh is amazing. She?s obviously a contractor, and I have no idea what her alignment is. I try to press her about her interactions with Bard, you tell me it?s none of my business. I ask her whether she plans to vig me, you say it?s none of my business. Frankly, of course it?s my business. I suppose if I said I was going to vig you, you would ignore me too because you wouldn?t consider it any of your business.

##Unvote
##Vote UncertainKitten

[Conqueror]

...Why you do this.

[capt. h]

...Why you do this.

To warn you that the role cops are useless.

[Kitten4u]

Voting
capt h(5): Schezo, rdj, Shadoweh, Helepolis, NeoSerela (L-3)
Zakeri(3): UncertainKitten, Serp, Conqueror
Dormio(1): Yonowaaru
Helepolis(2): Hanged Hourai, Bard
Shadoweh(1):  Dormio
UncertainKitten(1): capt h

Not voting
Zakeri

14 alive, 8 votes required for a lynch
~18 hours remain

[Conqueror]

I reread your post just now so I'm not having a heart attack anymore. I misread it the first time.

[Serela]

The role cops aren't useless as long as the say what the power itself is and not just the rolename.

But yeah, we'll know not to take rolenames in flips at face value. Nice to know.

[Shadoweh]

Because my UnimaginablyKurvacious double from another dimension, I still do not believe Zak is scum so much as frustrated with your unstoppable violent force. I am as always willing to give someone the chance to make a case and touch the souls of the town. (even if I try to murder them right after it displeases me.)

[UncertainJakutten]

That's nice capt. h. So you find me annoying because you are a terrible fucking player at this game and I'm not putting up with your shit. Fantastic~

And you vote me because I'm annoying. Best. Case. Ever.

##Unvote, Vote Capt. H.

L-2 guys.

The only thing that amazes me is that we're wagoning two scum at once.

@Shadoweh: That's nice that he's frustrated. If he wants to stop being such, how about he posts real content and actually plays the damn game. His posts are not town intended! Who do I have to shoot to get that across to people?

[UncertainJakutten]

EBWOP: I'm getting way too harsh at this point. Backing off here. If I end up not posting for the rest of the night, sorry.

[UncertainJakutten]

All right. So I'm only going to say this once, capt. h. And nicely even, to boot.

1) Role information should NEVER be interesting to you D1. Barring fullclaims which means something's gone horribly wrong
2) Spending every post talking about role information and what annoys you is not pro town
3) Spending absolutely 0 posts telling us who you think is actually scum for their actions in game is not pro town
4) Mafia is not a game of quantitative reasoning, it is of qualitative reasoning. You will not logic puzzle a well designed game of mafia. And even if you CAN, without all the information on the table, you have no clues. Please stop trying.
5) When you are repeatedly asked to stop doing something because it's not pro town, you generally should take it under advisory
6) When someone makes repeated requests of something from you, you should either say you aren't going to provide it (and preferably why), or put up.
7) I apologize for getting so frustrated with you to the point of having to cuss you out. I won't let it happen again.

[Shadoweh]

I hate you so much right now, finally making a post with something I think is good in it.

Now, I think you?re scum. See, I think we have two town wagons here, and I see you at the center of both of them, making sure they both took off. If you aren?t scum, then I?m sure scum is thanking you right now for doing their job for them. Course I suppose I?ll only know if both wagons are town when Zak flips.

Why did it take you until you did a roleclaim to do the thing we've been insisting you do for over two days and actually look for possible scum actions? These observations? Make more of them. If you are truly town they will benefit town even if you are gone the next day. If you're scum, well then please make more for sure~

For being a detail oriented person you sure missed a big one. You should go look at Pesco's setup in the sign-up thread. I'll even quote the relevant part for you: "The game will be closed nightless setup, themed with the elements of contractors from Darker than Black. Alignments from the source media are unrelated to alignments in the game. Role names may be subject to bastard mod."

[capt. h]

I waited so long to post a good case because I wasn't confident.

Now I'm confident.

My case on UK is the following ? UK started two wagons today against two players. I don?t think Zak is scum. I?m not scum. But one of us is getting lynched, and she is the reason we?re picking between two town players.

I don?t care about role information at this juncture, Shadoweh. I had no reason to reveal how bastardly my flip would be unless I thought I would die, since declaring a detective role puts a nice big target on my back for scum. When I flipped, you would see human detective according to the rules, and nothing else. I am not a human detective, I am a vanilla townie. What I care about is why you thought Bardiche was town earlier when I tried to press you about him. But UK got in my way. That?s another point against him; he gets in the way of my scum hunting.

Now at the time Zak made his case on UK, I felt Zak?s case was justified. Zak managed to make a perfectly good case against her, and she got Zak to be first in line for a lynch for it. Perhaps Zak hasn?t made enough posts defending himself, but I consider his behavior relatively pro-town at the time, and the way UK is getting him to hang for it is another point against her.

But perhaps most importantly of all, she?s placed herself in the center of two lynches. I don?t care if you?re scum or town; leading one lynch seems townie enough. Being at the head of two at the same time feels like scum trying to get town fighting town to me.

[Bardiche]

Can you feel the love tonight? I sure don't.

But you know, just in case. Asking because someone might see, y'know, the love. capt h being unable to tolerate Shadoweh and my new found OTP love is saddening, but not immediately scummy.

General rule of thumb is that when someone does something that implies a role or anything, you ask once. If they refuse further information, you drop it - any further and you'll be accused of doing nothing but rolefishing. If you don't watch it, you'll already be accused of role fishing. (the rest just thinks of asking but doesn't do it)

Also, even if someone annoys you on a personal level, don't outright reveal this is your reason for voting because it does not earn you brownie points. Again, not a scumtell, but people will remove you for not playing the game.

Still fine with my vote as it stands, but am perfectly fine with swapping to capt h.


... ninja'd by his best post ever. OK, retracting that, not fine with swapping right now. Interested to see how this plays out.

[Shadoweh]

Mmm. capt.h, I need you to clarify some of your points for me.

My case on UK is the following ? UK started two wagons today against two players. I don?t think Zak is scum. I?m not scum. But one of us is getting lynched, and she is the reason we?re picking between two town players.

Show me the proof that UK was involved in the start of your wagon, preferrably with a link to where this happened.

What I care about is why you thought Bardiche was town earlier when I tried to press you about him. But UK got in my way. That?s another point against him; he gets in the way of my scum hunting.

You mean why I never stated the opinion that I thought Bardiche was town when you were asking me what my opinion of him was? I'm afraid I can't answer that question, but have pointed out that your statement is technically incorrect.

Now at the time Zak made his case on UK, I felt Zak?s case was justified. Zak managed to make a perfectly good case against her, and she got Zak to be first in line for a lynch for it. Perhaps Zak hasn?t made enough posts defending himself, but I consider his behavior relatively pro-town at the time, and the way UK is getting him to hang for it is another point against her.

Zak has made too many posts defending himself, that's the basis of their cases. However since he was defending himself from the subject of his case it can be seen in my mind as pro-town, but I can't determine that until he comes forth and lays out another case. What parts of his case did you find pro-town? Please specify.

[Conqueror]

Uh, UK, did you just switch your vote to capt. h for being a terrible player when Zak hasn't done anything to improve his status?

[Conqueror]

EBWOP: "terrible player"
Sorry capt. h, no hard feelings.

[Conqueror]

Derp triple post.
@Mods: Also, the votecount is wrong, you have NeoSerela voting twice.

[UncertainJakutten]

That was part of it. Another part was the fact that I thought deadline was a lot closer. And a third part was, I'm honestly willing to see capt. h. hang as well. I've told you all why he's scum several times. Apparently people agree. So, since the Zak wagon seems to have stalled, capt. h. gets it.

Admittedly? The initial vote switch was purely out of frustration. I'm willing to stand by it though.

[Shadoweh]

UK, ignore the fact that he's making these points on you for a minute. Do you still think he's scum reading his last few posts?

[Pesco]

Voting
capt h(6): Schezo, rdj, Shadoweh, Helepolis, NeoSerela, UncertainKitten (L-2)
Zakeri(2): Serp, Conqueror
Dormio(1): Yonowaaru
Helepolis(2): Hanged Hourai, Bard
Shadoweh(1):  Dormio
UncertainKitten(1): capt h

Not voting
Zakeri

14 alive, 8 votes required for a lynch
~15 hours remain. This time remaining includes the time for twilight. If you do not save some time for twilight, you might miss the window period to send in actions.

[Dormio Ergo Sum]

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Awesome.

Well since it looks like capt. h is digging his own grave or something right now, let's discuss Zakeri.

Firstly random votes and discussion about the previous game with Bardiche blahblahblah, don't really care about this.
In this post he says a few things about Shadoweh and Bardiche, but ultimately it seems like a long-winded OMGUS on UK to me.
Afterwards, when UK had posted some more and stuff, he basically gave up his case on UK with no other votes or scumhunting.
... And that sums up pretty much his entire activity.

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[Helepolis]

@ the previous "You didn't explain in 5 lines (ry"
You seriously think I could have explained that in 5 lines? That is not possible, the information would be terribly formed.

##Unvote
##Vote Bardiche

Letting capt. h. get lynched isn't going to happen. However, he (and I as well) fear he might get killed eventually.

@ #221 from Bardiche.

Cool, Helpolis. So what's your case on me again? "He voted Zakeri!" is not an answer we can work with, you're going to have to give arguments.

Case? On you? You probably missed it in my post. I didn't had a case. Funny how you suddenly pull that out. I merely said I was keeping my eyes on you. As a said clearly: I was observing what the bandwagon was going to do on Zakeri. I was convinced already Capt h. was not a scum before. Neither is Zakeri. The scums are simply doing a nice grouping in a relative clever way.

A fellow scum isn't going to kill his buddy on day 1. That is stupid and unreasonable and everybody knows that. Doesn't take to be rocket scientist to get that.

First, everybody I questioned in #211

What makes me wonder now the most is, why is Bardiche being heavily defended by Conqueror, Shadoweh and Bardiche himself. Also Serp has been quite silent to Capt h's  vote on Bardiche's.

This question was never answered, in fact it got totally evaded/ignored. Conqueror only clarified on the difference between Zakeri and Dormio, which I directly asked. But that wasn't my main concern. I find this very unusual.

So yea, Bardiche. You might want to explain why you are in fact being defended? And your vote against me, is that a grudge vote I am sensing? A townie would not output such behaviour in my eyes. Your hopping along after Serp's vote on Zakeri is also making no sense. Your explanation why you got "enlighted" by rdj's post is weak.  In #221 you say: "For one, I never said rdj was clear. Just that I was no longer CONVINCED he was scum. Rather, he could be, but there are scummier things about. "

Who was speaking about clear? I asked, WHAT made you so touched by rdj's excellence? as I didn't notice any excellency and I requested you to clarify.

Capt h's #241 post indeed confirms my suspicion to Shadoweh as well. She is way to confident. Too confident. Keeps claiming UK is her twin from another dimension.

##Unvote
##Vote Bardiche

Maybe this will pull more defence on you. I am curious. What are you scum friends are going to do now? Either they will mass jump on capt h, to make it sure. But then the cover is most likely going to be blown. Or this is going to get dragged.

Also, Yonowaaru, Serp, Hanged Mokou. Funny that you three also remain silent suddenly. There is less than 15 hours left. What schemes are you planning behind the curtains?


Sunday mornings are best to be done with smooth Jazz music and a cup of Earl Gray tea.

[Helepolis]

@ Modco and Mod4u

My apologies for the double ##Unvote / ##Vote , That was not suppose to happen. I thought I removed that...   Happened during saving/repasting from/to notepad.

orz

[Yonowaaru]

It's called sleep. People need it to conserve their energy.

[Helepolis]

I would have believed that reason if there wasn't 24 hours difference between your #169 and #264 Unfortunate,

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Re: Darker than Black Mafia (Day 1) ? Reply #169 on: 09 April 2011, 10:18:14 ?
Re: Darker than Black Mafia (Day 1) ? Reply #264 on: Today at 10:49:21 ?
Insert coin to retry please.

[Pesco]

Sunday mornings are best to be done with smooth Jazz music and a cup of Earl Gray tea.

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[Dormio Ergo Sum]

While I'm here, let's update the opinions.

Dormio: Still looking town.

NeoSerela: Hey, look, content!
Pity it's just jumping onto the capt. h wagon.
Wonder if there's a running theme with the RVS bandwagon-ing.

Shadoweh: Since apparently my case on her seems to be invalid, dropping it for now.

Hanged Hourai: I'm not getting any scummy vibes from him right now, so yeah.

capt. h: Derpscum? I think so.
He's looking slightly better now that he's been forced out of role/game speculation but I'm still not completely convinced.

Uncertain Kitten: Like Hanged Hourai, not really getting any scummy vibes.

Bardiche: There was that thing at the beginning with the whole role thing, but role paranoia aside, I don't see anything that scummy from him.

Zakeri: As said before, he basically OMGUS votes UK.
He then proceeds to give up on his case and leave his vote nowhere.
And he hasn't really done anything else.

rdj: Gave his motivational speech that swayed Bardiche so.
He's on the road to picking up his act, a changed man.
At this point, he looks fairly good to me.

Conqueror: Doesn't look that bad right now.

Serpentarius: Low activity.
Mentions Bardiche as scummy, "blips my scumdar", but never refers to him again in any of his next 3(!!!) posts.
Also, don't really like his comment about "defending Helepolis in detail", can't he do that himself?

Helepolis: Trying to recreate the wall surrounding the SDM here or something.
I like how he's looking indepth into the votes, after all nobody else is doing it, and his latest posts address the issue of not looking at the other things.

Yonowaaru: Random votes me, keeps the vote on me on the basis that I am "kinda acting weirdly" and that Bardiche seems over reactive.
Says he'll post more thoroughly later, this was over 24 hours ago.
Since then he's made one post which had no content whatsoever.
Looks bad man.

So, what to make of all this?

Looking town: Dormio, Shadoweh, Hanged Hourai, Uncertain Kitten, Bardiche, rdj, Conqueror, Helepolis.

Looking not-so-town: NeoSerela, capt. h, Zakeri, Serpentarius, Yonowaaru.

Also, whilst I will be here for ~5 4.5 4 3.75 more hours, I won't be around when the day ends.
It ends at 7am for me and I have to leave for uni by 8 so yeah. :/

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[Dormio Ergo Sum]

Huh, what?
How did I miss Schezo?

Schezo: So the fact that I missed him isn't all that good.
He's made less posts so far than Serpentarius (1x RVS, 1x one liner, 2x somewhat longer posts) and hasn't really said anything on those that aren't Helepolis, capt. h or Zakeri.
He dropped his case on Helepolis, went from not acknowledging Zakeri's existence in his first post to wanting him dead in his second, and appears to be tunnelling on capt. h.

Looking town: Dormio, Shadoweh, Hanged Hourai, , Uncertain Kitten, Bardiche, rdj, Conqueror, Helepolis.

Looking not-so-town: NeoSerela, Schezo, capt. h, Zakeri, Serpentarius, Yonowaaru.

[Helepolis]

You know... I have been thinking about the distribution since the start of the game. Modco said: "informed minority". A minority implies there is logically no 50/50 (7-7) distribution. It is either between 60/40 (8-6) or 75/25 (10-4). 

I am asuming the number of scum is between 4 and 6. God knows what Modco and Kitten4Mod decided, but they are not going to give the Townies extreme majority such as 11 - 3. They could, which obviously would make Townies lynching eachother faster. On the other hand, they are not going to put 6 scums in the game because that would make the lynching extremely fast for the scum side. Even in the basic example of Mafia the distribution was 70-30 (7 Townie, 2 Scums). I am suspecting 5 scums in this game (9-5).

If I had to fill out those numbers right now I would possibly say:
Shadoweh - Dodging my main concern #262 (see post my vote on Capt h, probably benefits her just as much as I would have voted on Zakeri. However, now that my vote is gone. I wonder what she is going to do.
Bardiche - Similar to Shadoweh, jumps the gun as explain in #262. The only thing left for him to do is change his vote. As he knows his vote on my is useless now.

Leaving 3 more scums which I currently am watching carefully.

Just like Serp, Rdj's activity has dropped. All of a sudden. And Bardiche was enlighted by him. A possible link could exist between Rdj and Bardiche, fake play. Rdj is also sticking to Capt h still with a reason which is no longer valid in my eyes. He voted on Capt.h in #138 for this reason:

As for finding another case, I'm interested in capt. h. Not only is his vote jumping from person to person, but he's also recommended that Helepolis stop lurking by doing exactly what caused Bardiche to vote me. Perhaps he's trying to draw attention away from himself? Seems rather scummy to me.

"Find a case" sounds like to me non-grounded reason. Oh boy, when I look back at this post it is making NO SENSE.

Bardiche fails to explain himself for the heavy defense and tempered behaviour. His scum buddies won't do it for now, it is too critical. And Rdj has been silent since. Leaves 1 more suspect to be detected for my own "theory"

Now... who could that be...

• Rdj - As explained above, sudden activity drop. Weird somewhat similar reasoning on voting for Capt h with the rest. I wonder...
• Yonowaaru - Nice try on the "sleep" excuse. Only if you are in coma or some drug you sleep for 24 hours. I haven't seen one single move which convinced you might be Townie. What is the matter now Yono? You don't have any coins with you? Or you are just silently trying to get out of the arcade room?
• Dormio? Very vague playstyle until now. Has not much spoken like Kitten, Shadoweh, Conqueror, Capt h. for example did.
• Hanged Mokou? After casting his vote on me, wouldn't change it. But neither is showing links to the actual double-bandwagon going on. Also low activity. I don't expect Hanged Mokou doing anything weird from now on.
• NeoSerela? NeoSerela has been keeping vote on Zakeri but now changed it to Capt h. Suspringly, for somewhat similar post reason which Rdj given as well.
• UncertainKitten? A Shino wouldn't be suitable here, not at this time. I would probably get arrested for public harassment. I cannot link UK to any of the situation going on except which Capt h said she is the cause for the twin bandwagon. But this could be a mistake she realised and is impossible to fix as no matter what she does now. She said she would rather see Capt and Zakeri go. But now the votes have been removed on Zakeri and her's went to Capt h. Not surprised. She could have been tricked herself and still cannot decide.
• Schezo? Suprisingly in his last post #238, he also mentions Capt.h's Lurk attack. It connects to the same reason as Rdj as well
• Conqueror? Did clarify his choice on Zakeri/Dormio issue. But didn't explain my main concern.
• Serp? Like Dormio said, you would defend me in detail? This also kind of sparked my curiousity, however nobody even questioned that in your post. While I was being voted. Nobody went like "Why?!" Except until now Dormio notices it.
• Hanged Mokou?
  
• Zakeri? sounds like giving up with his vote withdrawn and when he had a lot of votes on his head. His reply is going to determine now his fate.
  
• Capt h? Already explained above and in my previous post.
  

* Helepolis sips his tea and keeps staring at his paper while gently ticking his pencil against his cheek.