Those two games that I try to start up always end in the old fashioned error message "th11 or th12 has encountered a problem and needs to close". I swear that happens during both of those games each time, and everything seems to be in place, the english patch is already in along with the dll's. Maybe their is something I just don't have :/ Every other game like IN, PoFV, EoSD(although there is a graphic glitch that causes everything to seem darker and I can't really see anything like items, the dialogue, characters etc) MoF, and PCB work perfectly fine.