Mafia Rule Mafia - Postgame, Town Win

[Shadoweh]

Iced Fairy: When you say your ability 'fizzled' what exactly did your response say you got?
For the record I think lynching someone not named Conqueror today is a mistake.

[Iced Fairy]

Shadoweh: You know I can't quote exactly but both times were the same wording.  The action fizzled out and failed.

[Shadoweh]

Did it say that both N2 and N3?

[Iced Fairy]

Did it say that both N2 and N3?

Yes.  Though the wording was different between the two because technically it was a different power being used.  My last power allowed me to double up on one of my one shots.

[Edible]

Right, so.  I'll respond to IF's accusations on a per-day basis.

1) Pesco misrepped me, not the other way around - he used a statement  from Zakeri to back up his claim, when said statement meant something else entirely.  He then targeted me with an ability early-ish in D1, and did very little for the rest of the day (as many have called him out for).  Saying I did nothing is a misrepresentation, especially considering I fully explained the logic behind my vote.

2) Not only was there pesco malarky, there was ridiculous anonyvoting to have to worry about - and getting hit with that twist.  Sorting these things out took a lot of time, and even then I still hunted scum - though you claim I haven't, which is another misrepresentation.  The Hourai vote was, as I stated after I voted him, to voice my displeasure at his silly little unvoting stunt, and also to get my vote off Doll.

3) I most certainly did not say I "did not scumhunt because I'm town", and I won't even give you the satisfaction of a rebuttal for that statement.  However, much as it shames me to admit, you're right about my case on Conq and my statement on Bard.  They were pretty weak and they were the best I could do that day (I even said I couldn't find solid proof of Conq's scumminess in his posts at some point).  Not saying much for the end of D3 is explainable by looking at Shadoweh's PM to me, whereupon I agreed to let the Hourai lynch go through and pursue Conqueror today.

4) Going after "easy lynch targets" meaning what, Schezo (who is, again, either confirmed scum or we're playing in a game where the mod lies to us)?  Shadoweh is hardly an "easy lynch target", given the flak I've gotten for even accusing her.  My accusation on Shadoweh was based on several things, such as the timing of both Shadoweh's and Schezo's responses to Bard pulling his vote in D2, the PM, the logic with Hourai (combined with Hourai's town flip), and the attempt on my life last night.

I believe that's enough for now.

[Shadoweh]

1: If Pesco's ability had activated when he said it did the Twist would never have retargetted it.
3: I believe Iced is referring to:

You may dislike my scumhunting methods, but a sensible mind understands that I have more townie cred right now than almost any living player, through virtue of solid evidence (see above).  If you insist on painting me as scum, I'll post a rebuttal to your other arguments, but until then I will make better use of my time.

You didn't say you were immune to needing to scumhunt but you are claiming townie cred from something that protected you from being investigated by anyone or married to Pesco.
4: Schezo isn't comfirmed scum and you aren't qualified to say what timing went first.

Before anyone commits to a Schezo lynch I will give you the reason I targetted Conqueror in the first place. I was upset with myself when Pesco flipped and asked myself why I was so intent on tunneling on him after the night actions argument. Then it hit me that it was because Conqueror told me to.

Shadoweh: I forgot what I was going to say about you because re-reading your posts is painful. I will get back to you later, so someone please remind me. I'll just ask you, what happened to your previous case on Pesco? What may or may not have happened Night One has no bearing on your previous case.

[Edible]

1: If Pesco's ability had activated when he said it did the Twist would never have retargetted it.

Which makes pesco a liar.  <_<

but you are claiming townie cred from something that protected you from being investigated by anyone or married to Pesco.

Yeah, uh.  Again, this is me getting targeted by a confirmed scum ability and I already explained that investigative attempts on Bard that night would have hit me instead, and investigative attempts on me would have hit Bard - and he asked town to use them on me.  There is no upside to me getting hit by the twist.  I'm sorry, but if you cannot understand how that gives me town cred I have absolutely nothing left to say to you.

4: Schezo isn't comfirmed scum and you aren't qualified to say what timing went first.

I agree he isn't confirmed scum - I said he's either confirmed scum or the mod is ridiculous.

And I'm sorry, but I AM qualified to talk about the "timing":

Being an embodiment of No Lynches, you are adequately prepared to protect townies from harm. During the night phase, you may PM me the command ##Guard (Player Name), and the player you chose will be immune to all harmful actions that night, nightkills included.

See the bold part?

[Shadoweh]

We can't use Lynch all Liars on Pesco, he's already dead and confirmed town.
And your twist makes sense with that logic except for one thing. Hourai said he was told his power targetted SOMEONE and Pesco. An investigative role getting SOMEONE IS SCUM would be useless.

Let's just pretend the mod is ridiculous if it will help you look at cases besides Schezo.

[Iced Fairy]

Sorry I'm not going to fall for the Zak misquote bit.  The fact that he misread Zak doesn't change the fact that he was right and he stuck to it.  That was passable play.

Everything AFTER that was terribad admittedly.  Which is why we're down a town.  And I can't fault you for doing for the Pesco lynch at the start.

However, I can fault you for your switch at the end of the day 2 where you once again fished for the opinions of others before deigning to post yourself.

I believe that's enough for now.

*Sigh*

Well normally this is where I'd ask who else is scum but I think EVERYONE wants to lynch conqueror for obvious reasons so....

Anyway: Why I don't want to lynch Schezo.

...

crap.

I just realized my reasoning doesn't work.

 

Dammit.

Ugh

##Unvote Edible.

Alright, I wanted to state that it's now obvious that Hourai didn't cut redirects from the fact that Pesco's link wasn't cleared off.  Thus it obviously didn't work on redirect.  However he specifically wrote in bold that the effect was a negative swapping effect.  Why that specific wording?  None of my obviously negative powers indicate they are as such.  Then again why does the death power today specifically state that it can't be redirected?

This is too much wine for so late at night.

I lean towards my original assessment, since I know Schezo has a tendancy to misread to everyone's disadvantage town or scum.  I'll see what the morning brings.

Final edit: Oh and who has the waffle?  If anyone?

[Edible]

We can't use Lynch all Liars on Pesco, he's already dead and confirmed town.

Nevertheless, it further discredits any viewpoint that includes Bardiche using the twist on me to "save" me from the link, does it not?

And your twist makes sense with that logic except for one thing. Hourai said he was told his power targetted SOMEONE and Pesco. An investigative role getting SOMEONE IS SCUM would be useless.

Hourai said many times that he was specifically told he targeted me successfully N1, not "someone."

Let's just pretend the mod is ridiculous if it will help you look at cases besides Schezo.

SIFOM.  As I've stated, claiming the mod is wrong runs contrary to the game and is an utterly pointless endeavor, because the mod lying means there is no purpose in playing the game.  I'm forced to assume by process of elimination that Schezo was lying, and is therefore scum.

Final edit: Oh and who has the waffle?  If anyone?

I sure as hell hope nobody has it.

[Shadoweh]

The doubt isn't that Hourai targetted you, Edible. The doubt is that when he targetted you and got redirected he wasn't told who the redirect went to. You want this post that he made after Pesco and I pounded him with his impossible claim:

Here we go, I was going off memory when I said the protect successfully went up on Edible.
Upon a reread, I now see that I was only informed the my protect did go up on someone, along with one on Pesco.

I assumed off of memory that it was referring to Edible since I targeted him.

So now the actions make a lot more sense.

[Edible]

I completely missed that.  My apologies.

[Schezo]

As much as I don't want to push that I was screwed in the info I got, I have to say that I guess I took the information in a way that wasn't completely how the mod wanted it by saying it out of context.  I discussed it and saw how it was different from what he was implying and what I got from that.  I'm not insta confirmed scum though because the info I got was wonky. 

I'm at an impasse here though.  I can either bash the mod and say I was screwed when I took the info the wrong way on a technicality or I could just let you all lynch me for being obv scum for "lying" about the info I got and how I reported it.  I don't want either because I'm in a rather tight position being town and all that so, I would ask you to drop it but the fact that it is such an important selling point on my case is just; I don't know.  I don't want either.

That specific wording because that was what was stated in my PM and paraphrasing it to the same thing gave it a different meaning since it already was a delicate issue.  I didn't know the difference between flavored to give a negative effect hint and just that it was a negative effect was enough to not let Hourai block it because that's what the PM is saying and what I got cleared up.

Edible's fine to make that assumption because it really is damning evidence one could hold towards scum.  Being town and not being extremely careful with that information is what led to my demise that town and scum can make a convincing argument on.

--

Both sides have now made some nice cases and now I want to hear from Conqueror to see what he has to say before I make my case.  The case on him will probably be able to fall back onto me though too so I'm trying to figure out what I want from him.  I would like to ask that he make a case on what he thought of me before this whole ordeal.  Of course I ask this not expecting a straight answer because now everything can be biased against what just happened so I'll go with what I thought about him earlier on how he doesn't want to do much in this game and is lurk scum

##Unvote:
##Vote:Conqueror

It would also be cool to hear from Dormio too before I forget he's playing.

[Shadoweh]

The waffle probably died with Hourai. Good riddance considering the damage it caused.
There is something else I've been trying to puzzle out. From all the powers we've heard of, what exactly did Hourai protect against? Assume redirects went first right now.

[Dormio Ergo Sum]

Um, okay, I've been playing DotS for the past 9.75 hours.
I'll make a post once I've taken a break and read through this topic.

[Dormio Ergo Sum]

I'm making this post as my head and eyes hurt.
And did I really spend almost 10 hours on DotS when I should have been working on my report on semantic/episodic memory? orz

Firstly, Hourai wasn't scum, what? :ohdear:

Anyway.

I still believe that Conqueror is scum, and also that Edible is scum though I have no real case on Edible right now.
I like it how Conqueror did that thing again where he goes "I'll look at you later" and never gets around to it.
(Against Schezo and somewhat against Iced Fairy)

Schezo: I'm too tired to look at you. But yeah, Bard's actions don't clear you by any means. I'll look at you again later.

Also, assuming that Shadoweh is telling the truth and that Conqueror's death effect is a global post restriction, what kind of townie has this sort of ability?


I'm really not sure what to make of the whole Schezo thing right now.
I do know that Schezo is the Riot Leader though, that much he's not lying about.

Hopefully I can make a better post tomorrow when my head is not killing me.
Because I've been trying to write this for over and hour and have not much.

[Dormio Ergo Sum]

Because I've been trying to write this for over and hour and have not much.

Because I've been trying to write this for over an hour and don't have much.*

[Dormio Ergo Sum]

Oh yeah.

##Vote Conqueror

And are we giving the fullcop to DollS?

[Shadoweh]

Firstly, Hourai wasn't scum, what? :ohdear:

Inorite?  :ohdear:
Right now there isn't a person I can't make a case on. I suggest looking at all cases and not just Edible or Schezo.
I work early today so I'm off for now, if I wake up and see votes that aren't Conqueror I will rage. Yeah, Doll is the only one that won't have a death sentence with the cop besides Edible. Doll just happens to be Super Townie Confirmed 500.

Doll: What is your opinion on all the players right now?

[Shadoweh]

This game is so bad for my sleep schedule I can't sleep because I've been composing this and I have to get it ouuuuuttttt MASSIVE WALL OF TEXT INCOMING.

[Conqueror]

Well my POS laptop just trolled me with BSOD and wiped out what I was typing up. I don't feel like retyping it right now, so here are the important parts.

I can't know if Shadoweh is telling the truth or not because I have no idea what my death effect is, but what I do know is that I am not the post restrictor. I have to frown on your using day effects to determine scumminess - would you have pegged Kitten as scum then because her effect was detrimental to town?

Anyway, I am Rule 1, the Governator, and I have the power to write the flavor for the night scenes (a.k.a the morning scenes). I also have a one-shot Governor ability that I can use to stop the lynch of a player that I have not voted for on that day

@Schezo: I will get back to you on that. No, really, I will. Don't kill me before I get back!

@Shadoweh. As much as I seem to be the "obvious" lynch at the moment, seeing all the votes coming my way, I'd like to see the case you have on me so I can respond to it. That goes for the rest of you as well.

Fakeedit: It looks like you're doing so, yay! I'll respond to it when I wake up.

[Conqueror]

Oh, and @mod
Votecount please.

[Shadoweh]

Okay, so everyone is well aware the only lynch I support today is Conqueror right? Okay? Okay. All the cases I'm making today are on the basis that Conqueror is going to flip scum at the end of the day. If he doesn't flip scum then not only am I going to blow a gasket, we will lose because I'm an obvious lynch.

Now then. I've had time to parse this new information and I've come to some conclusions.
Edible is town. At this point in the game faking a bulletproof would be less important then killing me or another town and lynching a town to win today.
Schezo is town. There was already a freight train of a case against Hourai. Schezo never needed to make up a mod-approved pm lying about negative effects to get him lynched. Especially since it would guarentee he gets murdered the next day.
Adding to my cases that both of them are town, I don't think Conqueror got the memo I was out for his blood.
Dormio is town. I still believe Dormio is a cop. What's more, Dormio is the only name Conqueror ever makes a real case and votes for, ever. Everything else is bandwagon hopping. I also don't get the same vibe everyone else does from his posts.
Doll is town. This is entirely based on his reactions to what we did to him, not his townie cred. I wonder how Bard would feel about his scum team winning because trying to bus a scum Doll went horribly wrong?

Well we're out of players aren't we? If I believe all of these things, combined with myself being town and Conqueror
being scum, there's only one conclusion left.

Iced Fairy is scum. You know how I said I wouldn't do that UncertainKitten text wall thing again? I lied. brackets are my running commentary. POST ANALYSIS GO!

Post #214 VOTE PESCOOOO! Says Edible looks bad too. Says Bardiche is kind of okay but if Pesco flips scum(haha) Bardiche is high on the list. (so when Pesco flipped town Bard would look good?) Says Schezo is bad, Doll is a lurker, Conqueror is.. a little too soft but at least has big posts and some town had to have fell for PX. Hanged Hourai could be scum. Dormio and Zak give townie vibes but could be lurkers. Shadoweh is just townie vibes. (I think the only thing everyone agreed on all game is how obvtown I am. But besides me his best reviews are Conqueror and Bardiche.)
Post #227 More on how Dormio and Zak are lurkey and implying they could be lurkscum. Also how Schezo tunneling me is bad because I'm so obvtown.
Post #237 Anti-claim to dayvigging. (I guess most of the current players didn't read those games but the unlimited dayvig posts always amused me.) Doesn't like my accusation of liars everywhere but is happy to keep VOTING PESCOOOOOO!
Post #253 New info and vote is going... to stay on VOTE PESCOOOO! Somehow Pesco misrepped everyone's roleclaim except his own (Which considering the switch isn't surprising) and he wants an explanation from Bardiche. But it's totally not autoscummy behaviour. Says my misrep of Hourai's incorrect roleclaim doesn't make me look good. (Bardiche backs up this idea in post #258)
Post #265 Polite conversation with Bardiche. Confirms again that the incorrect roleclaim plays out. Is still VOTING PESCOOOOO! Still doesn't like Schezo's hunting though sees some of his points on me. (Cheerleading Bardiche's case?) Doesn't like Dormio.
Post #274 Says Schezo's case is correct but the bulk of his case is misrep. (his entire case on me was the anon-voting and the bad role guessing shenanigans. More cheerleading Bardiche's case?) Agrees with Bard being handwavey. Threatens Conqueror with post or else. No vote change.
It's not one of Iced's posts but in #284 Conqueror is all "I have no opinion on you bla bla."
Post #289 Hey Shadoweh, why aren't you VOTING PESCOOOO!? (<_<) The role talks don't change anything! (see post #284 for what this reminds me of.) Gives Conqueror some tips and says he prefers his active lurking to Dormio's vote and run. (NO.) As for his vote, it's going... to stay on VOTING PESCOOOO! Is cut by more things to call Dormio out on.
Post #292 THERE IS NOTHING WRONG WITH HOURAI'S INCORRECT ROLECLAIM SHADOWEH GOD STOP POINTING IT OUT. (Hourai corrects his roleclaim in the next post.)
Post #318 KITTEN4U IS DEAD. (Jerk!) VOTE PESCOOOO! Also trying to talk to Kitten4U's ghost is scummy. Killing Doll is cool. Dormio is bad. Agrees with Zak but we have better things to do then lynch Bard today.
Post #321 Figured Schezo was derp town because he's so emotional (Please read his past opinions on Schezo to see why I think this contradicts everything he's said so far.) Conqueror lurking is bad and Pesco isn't the lead lynch. (He was at the time.)
Post #334 Why aren't you VOTING PESCO? ;-; Oh well let's lynch Doll and Schezo. Says he will change vote to Doll and in #339 reconfirms he'll happily switch back to the Pesco wagon if we go with that.
Post #352 Current thoughts: PESCO IS SCUM. DOWN WITH MINDHAX. Bardiche is likely scumbuddy! (he doesn't really make a case on Bardiche being scummy on his own merits, just as if Pesco = scum then Bardiche = scum.) Third scum, hopes it's Doll but Dormio is more likely over Conqueror. #354 is just him trying to get more info out of me. He finally changes from Pesco to Doll in #361.

This marks the Super Anonymous Votecount Bardiche Trainwreck.

Post #405 I believe you Hourai.
Post #433 HANGED HOURAI WTF. You were the nail in Schezo's coffin! (except that part where he waffled PESCO.) Also calls out Edible and Dormio! Makes a tiny forgettable callout to Conqueror in comparison.
Post #437 Comments that Bardiche must have wanted everyone to investigate Edible to investigate Bardiche. (This point is WiFoM since I've said the same thing and even why Bard would want it.) Says Edible convinced him to unvote Hourai despite that Edible doesn't do any scumhunting. Adds in #438 that he's "confused" by how Edible doesn't need to scumhunt cause he's town. I spout some Zen nonsense and get him to post his scum choices, which are Hourai and Dormio. (On a reread this is suspicious since he just unvoted Hourai and he just said he thinks Edible is acting weird.)
Post #446 Didn't it say somewhere there are three scum?! (Maybe he saw it in the quicktopic. :V)
Post #448 Oh that's a good catch about Conqueror, Edible. Conqueror does kinda say nothing about anyone.Conqueror makes a huge post #455 and Votes Dormio, surprise. His opinion on Iced Fairy is "Looks better then the three above, keeping an eye on you."
Post #466Dormio is disapoint and his points on Conqueror apply more to him. Conqueror made a 'better post' and a comment on Iced which he answers. Premature analysis says Dormio is worse then Conqueror in the Dormio vs Conqueror argument.
Post #486Even if Hourai is telling the truth he's scum and doctors blocking info is extra great! Dislikes Edible saying the virus is bad.
Post #494The theory on how if Hourai flips town Edible must be scum. Says all Edible's posts today have been filler. (see post #448) It's as if Edible already knows Hourai will flip town!
Post #496 Tells Hourai his actions are 100% scum and Edible is 'funny' and compares them to Pesco acting 100% scum and Bardiche acting 'funny'. (X = 1 doesn't prove Y = 2!) But Hourai can't get a pass because it's not lylow so Iced can't be stupid. (Edible confirms in #498 that he received my PM.) States in #500 that his confusion at Edible is how quickly Edible dismissed a case he doesn't believe in. Posts the case on Hourai in #504 that was pretty obvious by this point.
Post #526 His last post of Day 3. Scum order is Conqueror, Dormio, Edible, Schezo. Calls out Conqueror to make an amazing post Day 4 (But we know that's not really going to be nessicary, right?)

OH GOD IT'S DAY 4 AND HOURAI FLIPPED TOWN WTF.

Post #582 Wants to promote me even after my crash and burn Day 3. Is going to be nice and sit back to let everyone fight it out. Corrects himself in #586 after I mention that the blessing is basically a death sentence and promotes Doll. Answers Conqueror's last post about being passive because he wants to see people post without scumhunting from him or me. In #592 he asks me to explain why I'm shouting CONQUEROR IS SCUM to the heavens. In #601 he asks me to clarify when I found out about Conqueror and what the exact wording of my power is.
Post #607OMFG EDIBLE IS SCUM. HERE ARE SOME MISREPS ABOUT HOW EDIBLE IS SCUM. (Hint, anyone that believed Bardiche thought the vote was random and didn't use the time he got from stalling to make sure Pesco was going to get lynched is wr-ong.) Votes for Edible despite being able to agree that Conqueror is his 100% scum partner. He does an excellent job of explaining why I'm still town despite my horrible Day 3 play, but tries to use it as an excuse why Edible coming after me makes him scum. (Of course since he knows I'm town it's not hard for him to understand why I messed up.)

tl;dr please see here.

Holy crap why didn't I notice this before. You seriously have to read Iced Fairy, Bardiche and Conqueror in parallels to understand. Don't look at the exact words, look at the intent. No matter how many times Iced accuses either of those two his tone is less incriminating of them then any other player he mentions. He backs up Bardiche's claims Day 2 and spends Day 3 on a parallel line of lynching Dormio thought. He can't decide if he wants to be on the Hourai wagon or off which since he knows it's town is completely understandable. Both him and Conqueror failed to throw in a hammer. Then he's all about lynching the bulletproof that isn't the confirmed scum. But this last part is the most damning and I didn't look into it above because I want you to read it.

He's claiming his powers were roleblocked Night 2 and Night 3. Why would a scum roleblocker block him two nights in a row when he didn't claim to be roleblocked Day 3 and if he was roleblocked why didn't he mention it earlier? His claim amounts to 'I was blocked so I did whatever to this guy.' It's a free reign to make up anything. I'm so confident in this I could vote him over Conqueror, but thanks to Hourai I don't need to. We can lynch Conqueror today and Doll can cop Iced Fairy tomorrow.

PS: For Conqueror. My case on you is that you gave me a backwards posting restriction and I will hang you forever for it. Period. Your day effect could be called Fuzzy Hug Kittens and I wouldn't have seen past 'Post Restriction'.

[Shadoweh]

Now I'm going to sleep and work in.. way too soon. Don't expect any replies from me for at least 10 hours.

[Conqueror]

That's a huge post. I only skimmed it for the parts relevant to me for now.

Adding to my cases that both of them are town, I don't think Conqueror got the memo I was out for his blood.

Eh? This statement doesn't make sense.

Both him and Conqueror failed to throw in a hammer.

Not speaking for Iced, but I stated my full intention to vote for the Hourai wagon. Not hammering is a minor detail because you don't need a majority to lynch and you can look at my past posts to see that I stated my intention to hammer, so I was on the wagon whether I hammered or not.

PS: For Conqueror. My case on you is that you gave me a backwards posting restriction and I will hang you forever for it. Period. Your day effect could be called Fuzzy Hug Kittens and I wouldn't have seen past 'Post Restriction'.

...But I didn't give you a posting restriction. D:
But really, it is nice to have something that I can respond to rather than just lurking here and waiting to die.

[Serela]

Dear god why has there been 3 pages without a votecount. I'm busy babysitting but we really need one.

This Setup Sure Is Confusing, Votecount!

Conqueror (2) - Schezo, Dormio
Schezo (1) - Doll.S
Shadoweh (0) - Schezo
Edible (0) - Iced Fairy

Not Voting: Conqueror, Iced Fairy, Edible, Doll.S

Doll.S has been promoted by Iced Fairy, Schezo, Shadoweh

With 7 alive it takes 4 to lynch. There are 57.5 hours left in the day.

[Iced Fairy]

Oi text wall.

Alright, Shadoweh, you should sleep before posting something like this because seriously, you do some terrible reasoning here.  If it weren't for the fact that I find the idea of a Bardiche sacrifice D2 utterly ridiculous, and your D3 notes bit obv bad town, I'd almost be tempted to believe Edible's initial claim this day.

Okay, so everyone is well aware the only lynch I support today is Conqueror right?

I think at this point everyone has agreed that Conqueror dies.  On that note, let's make sure we don't lynch him too early.

Votecount please

cut: Okay.  2 on Conq.  Don't want to let him self hammer yet.

Edible is town. At this point in the game faking a bulletproof would be less important then killing me or another town and lynching a town to win today.

Passable reasoning.  We know from Bardiche that scum make stupid gambits when they don't need to (unless you think Dolls is scum ) but with my airtight reasoning on why Schezo was telling the truth actually being garbage, it seems reasonable.  I still hate his lack of scumhunting and insistence that everyone else put their cards on the table why he keeps his hand hidden.  But that's looking to just be a personal thing.

Schezo is town. Schezo never needed to make up a mod-approved pm lying about negative effects to get him lynched.

Terrible reasoning.  Schezo roleclaimed Day 2 when he was on the hotseat.  Not using his power would have been a strike against him too.  I need to review my case on Schezo though since his day 3 play was pretty non existant barring these damned role shenanigans.

Dormio is town. I still believe Dormio is a cop. What's more, Dormio is the only name Conqueror ever makes a real case and votes for, ever. Everything else is bandwagon hopping. I also don't get the same vibe everyone else does from his posts.

Once again bad reasoning.  Cops aren't always town aligned.  And with EVERYONE having Conqueror on their to kill list, he could well be voting fellow scum.  Honestly my biggest fear right now is that Dormio is the last scum and is laughing at us tearing each other apart.  Which is why I need a reread on Schezo

If I believe all of these things, combined with myself being town and Conqueror being scum, there's only one conclusion left.

You may believe all these things, but 3 of them are damn shakey.  Seriously, look at them again.

Anyway here is where a closed mind leads to tunneling.

I'll just correct the specific points where your lack of centext really blows things way out of whack.

Re: Voting Pesco

Why didn't I switch from Pesco all day?  Because he did NO scumhunting until the end.  And it was a terrible case on Schezo.  Pesco was terrible all the way through the game, and he seemed most scummy at the time.  I simply refuse to apologize for the case.  I will apologize for getting too emotionally invested in it though.  Still if Pesco had done some real scumhunting I'd have switched off him.

THERE IS NOTHING WRONG WITH HOURAI'S INCORRECT ROLECLAIM SHADOWEH GOD STOP POINTING IT OUT.
(Hourai corrects his roleclaim in the next post.)

I didn't say nothing was wrong.  I said it was damn obvious that Hourai assumed he targeted the person he targeted.  And I was right.  People make assumptions and then fill in fuzzy places with what they want to see.  For example, your whole post.

Post #405 I believe you Hourai.
Post #433 HANGED HOURAI WTF.

There was this thing called night two in between these two posts, where I reread all of Hourai's stuff.  Which leads me to this.

You were the nail in Schezo's coffin! (except that part where he waffled PESCO.)

I stand by this, and he himself admits to it here.

Oh man, my play yesterday. I could come up with all types of BS to make it sound better, but here it is.
Near the end of D2, I had done a reread on Pesco and convinced myself that he was more likely to be scum. So I came up with the plan to get him lynched, while at the same time, pretending to hunt Schezo.

Add to it his total lack of scumhunting and he was the most scummy.  Remember I don't have your info PROVING Conqueror is scum yet.

(On a reread this is suspicious since he just unvoted Hourai and he just said he thinks Edible is acting weird.)

This is when my Edible case first started.  I had just noticed that Edible had done about the same amount of scumhunting as Dormio, despite his friendly neighborhood town exterior.  I spent the rest of the day and the start of this one trying to get Edible to do something.

Oh and stating that most people would target Edible/Pesco Night one is simple fact.  Their play drew attention, and we know for a fact Bardiche, You and Hourai all targeted the pair.  That'd be a solid majority of the remaining players there.

Post #486Even if Hourai is telling the truth he's scum and doctors blocking info is extra great!

Do you disagree with the idea that if Scum did a Bus on themselves having someone info block wouldn't be good?

Calls out Conqueror to make an amazing post Day 4 (But we know that's not really going to be nessicary, right?)

Don't see that since we're still killing Conqueror.  Remember once again, I didn't know he's scum like you did.

Post #582 Wants to promote me even after my crash and burn Day 3. Is going to be nice and sit back to let everyone fight it out. Corrects himself in #586 after I mention that the blessing is basically a death sentence and promotes Doll.[/quote]
Honestly, I'd forgotten Dolls claim.  As to why I voted you?  You derp occasionally but I'm still convinced your town, and I figured you'd aim better then Dolls.  I knew it was very dangerous, but I was planing on using Power 1 tonight to stop the kill on you.  (See fullclaim)

(Hint, anyone that believed Bardiche thought the vote was random and didn't use the time he got from stalling to make sure Pesco was going to get lynched is wr-ong.)

By this reasoning Bardiche isn't scum, because it was utterly stupid to anon lynch when he could just wait for someone to come back and hammer two non scum.  Or just for days end.  Bardiche was playing stupidly.

He does an excellent job of explaining why I'm still town despite my horrible Day 3 play, but tries to use it as an excuse why Edible coming after me makes him scum.

Shadoweh when you're accusing logical thought as being scummy behavior you MIGHT BE TUNNLING.

Both him and Conqueror failed to throw in a hammer.

I didn't throw in a Hammer because I didn't want to find out what "Hammer Brother" did.  Especially since I wasn't certain about Edible.  I didn't say this in thread because I did want to find out what happened to Conqueror.  No such luck.

Why would a scum roleblocker block him two nights in a row when he didn't claim to be roleblocked Day 3 and if he was roleblocked why didn't he mention it earlier?

Mu.  Your question is innately wrong.

A roleblocker wouldn't bother with me two nights in a row.  Heck I don't know if they'd bother with me once.

But an info blocker would be happy to block my targets, since learning about them would show the most about .

This is why I wanted to know if you'd claimed to target Conqueror last Night.  Because if you'd claimed to have gotten that info Night 3 you'd have been a liar.

Alright, fullclaim.

Rule 9: Town Tetris Block

Power 1 : One shot complete roleblock.  If it stops the nightkill I am informed of such.  This is why I said my negative powers weren't labled as such.

Power 2 : One shot Vote boost.  One (hopefully townie) gets a double strength vote.  Doesn't work on myself or in lylow, which is why I'll probably never use it.

Power 3 : One shot Stalking.  I get to see if people go places, but not where.

Power 4 : One shot repeat.  I can use any power above once more.

I've been waiting on using power 1 so that I'd have fewer targets, since it's by far the most powerful of my powers.

We can lynch Conqueror today and Doll can cop Iced Fairy tomorrow.

I think Dolls target would be better elsewhere, but posting it in this thread would be foolish because there's obviously an infoblocker about.  And it says in big bold letters that if it's infoblocked everything goes away.

Also I'm starting in on finals, so I'm not going to ever deal with a wall of text again.

[Iced Fairy]

Oh look.  Another huge chunk of silence.

*Sigh*

Well I have a 6 page essay to write, and Conqueror is confirmed scum, so I figure the only thing to do is get my thoughts down so Dolls can choose the best target for tonight.  Include what powers they have left in your reasoning Dolls.

Shadoweh - Town or the best scum in existance.  Those notes scream town bad play.and the post restriction and Bardiche play means she's either town, or scum is sacrificing all their people just to give her town cred, for no good reason.  Heck if she was scum she'd have know her post restriction didn't carry on into the next day and wouldn't have suffered the start of day 3.  Pretty damn obv town.

Schezo - Mediocre to bad scumhunting all game, often misses a point and goes running of in a direction, and totally botched his autopsy on Bardiche, leading to a dead townie.  Also way too easily pulled into the Shadoweh case by Edible.  But it all seems to be based on emotions.  I can believe he totally misread Bardiche's roll because he's STILL complaining about a dayvig joke Shadoweh made on day 1.
Claimed powers - No more powers to activate.

Dormio - Everything I've said about him before still stands.  Drive by voting, ignoring Conqueror entirely until after half the game had pointed out he was scummy, and generally having weak cases with little original thinking.  However I feel Conqueror was trying to send him up the river too early for it to be a proper bussing attempt.  Really Conqueror's attacks on Dormio are the closest to actual scumhunting he got, and given the timing that couldn't be good for scum at all if Dormio was scum.
Claimed Powers - Can read people's role names.  Sorta Cop.

Edible - The bulletproof confuses me, but other then that he's been acting scum.  I wanted to see if his attacks on Conqueror look better in hindsight, now that we know Conqs scum, but then I realized he knew Conqueror was next in line.  Which brings me back to my original points on him.  His play is perfect for scum.  Say little while looking rational.  Beat on a known scum to build up town cred, then swap over to known town to hopefully sow dissention, while still being able to retreat back to attacking scum if caught.
Claimed Powers - Bulletproof

Myself
Claimed Powers - Jack of trades.  NKblock, stalking, and vote boost, 2 stalking attempts used.

[Dormio Ergo Sum]

But really, it is nice to have something that I can respond to rather than just lurking here and waiting to die.

Shouldn't you be, you know, actually doing stuff if you're town and want to save yourself instead of lurking?
Or are you going to continue to do that "I'll look at you later" thing?


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Oh, how I missed you new post warning.

Iced Fairy: What about Conqueror?
I mean, you mention other people's thoughts on him but not your own.


Oh, and I almost forgot.
##Promote DollS

[Iced Fairy]

I mean, you mention other people's thoughts on him but not your own.

I didn't include it because we pretty much know he's scum at this point, and honestly I'd just be regurgitating a lot of my old thoughts.  But if you want:

He hasn't changed at all from his original pattern.  He wrote a few (okay maybe 2) good scumhunting posts (mostly on you) and retreated behind the 'I'll post later' defense for most people.  I also note he posts only when pressed, though given how infrequent his posting is it's easy to see why.  With Shadoweh's cop I'm convinced he's lurkscum.

Anyway, I am Rule 1, the Governator, and I have the power to write the flavor for the night scenes (a.k.a the morning scenes). I also have a one-shot Governor ability that I can use to stop the lynch of a player that I have not voted for on that day

The only thing I can add is this roleclaim is a joke.  Look at the morning flavor, then back to Conqueror's posts.  DO you see a connection?  Cause I don't.  Oh and look, an excuse for not voting!  How handy to have in a role.

Not to mention that huhwhat would have to figure out how all the night actions resolved, tell Conqueror the details in advance, then Conqueror would have time to think about what the flips ment before going on to the next day.  Do you see such thought reflected in his posts?

Yeah.  This claim can't be real.