Mafia Rule Mafia - Postgame, Town Win

[GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em]

Just a notice: I have updated the first post with handy links to the ends of Day 1 and Day 2. I had intended to do this from the very beginning, but kind of forgot. Hopefully they should be helpful now that they're actually around.

[Pesco]

A post-game discussion on what consists of a good D1 lynch and what doesn't is in order.

[GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em]

Last night was rather peaceful, wasn't it? How convenient that the night ranter turned out to be scum after all. Nothing good can come of somebody who deprives their fellow townies of sleep, as far as I see it.

This isn't to say that all ranters are of bad ilk, though. A counterexample to Bardiche's treachery would be the honorable Rule 7, whose vocal campaigns against the evils of No Lynches remained valiant, even if they were never fully revealed to the town. It's a shame scum decided to reward him for his rants with a knife in the back.

Zakeri, playing Rule 7, Townie Ranting Doublevoter, has been killed overnight! His death triggered the Double Check day effect.


..:::Day 2:::..
.::Active Day Effects::.

• Delayed Autopsy - The flip of the affected day's lynch will not be revealed until the next morning.
  
• Flock of Pigeons - Players may send eachother anonymous messages through the mod, but only twice in the day. Players who have already used up both of their anonymous messages will be listed below the votecount. Attempting to contact another player through means other than the moderator will still result in a modkill.
  
• Double Check - The day's lynch will be given a full flip, revealing additional information on their role.

.::Upcoming Day Effects::.

• Currently none!

You have 72 hours to decide on who to kill. With eight alive, it takes five to lynch. Assuming I can count some of the time, anyway.

[Dormio Ergo Sum]

Sorry for being MIA for the end of day two.
I was busy with real life stuff on Sunday and uni sucks.

First of all, day one questions.

Bardiche: Why would you single out PX for defending Shadoweh when Edible and I also said that we thought that Shadoweh's behavior didn't seem scum-like? u dedz
Pesco: OMGUS in a serious vote? u dedz two
Hanged Hourai: People are constantly changing their thoughts and there was some Pesco x Edible action going on between PX's votes. Are you saying that the game should be held in stasis while you aren't there?
Schezo: Why did PX seem more scummy to you? Neither of them provided opinions on others during their exchange, which was the final point in your argument against PX. (PX asks Hourai to provide opinions without doing so himself first, neither of them ended up doing it)

Schezo- Claiming emotions got the better of him.
Hourai- Never answered.

Day 2:
OdeargodwhathappenedwhileIwasgone.
Shadoweh was totally awesome and stuff and caught out Bard trying to hammer at the end.
Doll.S is town with abilities that only kick in once he dies..
Doll.S, Edible and I were the only ones that weren't on the Bard wagon when Bard self hammered.
Doll.S already had a vote on Pesco and he was probably missing when the hammer happened.
So basically, in the lynch, for Pesco to have been lynched along with Bard either Edible or I had to have unvoted and voted Pesco anonymously.
And I know that I have not touched the anon voting system.
Also, I know through my night abilities that Edible is a "Hammer Bro", does this sound like town to you?

Night 2: Welp, Zakeri died.
I'm not sure what to make of this right now other than his suspicions seemed to mainly be on Hourai/Conqueror.

##Vote Edible

[Dormio Ergo Sum]

Doll.S, Edible and I were the only ones that weren't on the Bard wagon when Bard self hammered.

Oh, Pesco too but Pesco isn't going to vote for himself now, is he?

[Dormio Ergo Sum]

Night 2: Welp, Zakeri died.
I'm not sure what to make of this right now other than his suspicions seemed to mainly be on Hourai/Conqueror.

Basing that off this post.

[WHMZakeri]

[Edible]

Zakeri, playing Rule 7, Townie Ranting Doublevoter, has been killed overnight! His death triggered the Double Check day effect.

Subtle reference to Zakeri dying twice again! :getdown:

So basically, in the lynch, for Pesco to have been lynched along with Bard either Edible or I had to have unvoted and voted Pesco anonymously.

Two things.

1) When Bard hammered, everyone with a vote on them had one vote (as far as I can tell, per the last votecount).  Per the game rules, tiebreaks for the townie riot were determined by the first person with that total.  I'm guessing that's why pesco was lynched.

2) Bard targeted me with his scum ability night 1.  What do you suppose that makes me?

[Doll.S CUBE]

Posting this before I sleep.

Hmm, two minds think a like as I was going to vote Edible too but I need to review the D1 banter and N1 actions before I do vote him to see if there's anything darning now that Pesco's town.

Anyway, sleepy time now.

[Dormio Ergo Sum]

1) When Bard hammered, everyone with a vote on them had one vote (as far as I can tell, per the last votecount).  Per the game rules, tiebreaks for the townie riot were determined by the first person with that total.  I'm guessing that's why pesco was lynched.

True that. Hmm.
I would have really liked a final votecount.

2) Bard targeted me with his scum ability night 1.  What do you suppose that makes me?

Bard's swap doesn't exactly cripple you or anything, that argument doesn't seem all that strong to me.


Though, I'm going to have to reevaluate this due to the whole lynch based on time.
But it's 1am.
I'll try to make a post either in the morning or after I get back from uni.

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[Shadoweh]

i hope the adorable blue feline can feel better knowing her day effect made it possible to catch the red colored team with a red hand.
town obvious town is awake! i do not know if i have freedom yet so i am being careful.
i am going to wait for benevolent master of the game before posting my full suspicions.

[Shadoweh]

you know i do not really want to wait for anyone. if i am free today i will repost this or maybe someone will translate. after last night this is how players look to me.

looking pretty town.

town obvious town + theories on how i could have tricked night virus for the good of the red colored team will be retorted with the amazing argument that you are probably thinking too hard.

moe maker of muppets + speaking of reasons to kill the adorable blue feline does anyone remember her comments last game about how the red colored team can go after a player because they are bad instead of worrying about whether they are town?

crown boy + crown boy is not actually as super town five thousand confirmed as he thinks he is because he was never in danger of being the lynch when the hammer happened. night virus wanted to make him a lynch pretty hard though so i am giving him a pass. i might take a suggestion for a better name then crown boy.

looking kind of bad.

tasty man + so about not having a case other then town town and probably town. gave night virus a pass? looks better then everyone after him on this list. should probably claim something and tell us who he infected with twist.

cold pixie + so yesterday your entire contribution was wanting to lynch god rabbit of psychic power.

takeover king + you accidentally made it possible for night virus to hammer himself. night virus also seemed to give you alot of passes. you might want to claim something useful to town.

koumajou densetsu fox + so your suspects are confirmed town. might want to claim something useful to town.

looking like they should start talking now and quickly.

crimson doll helper + your surprise gambit last night tried to lynch our second super townie confirmed five thousand god rabbit of psychic power. you could have saved him after we knew night virus was trying to hammer him by setting the waffle buster on moe maker of muppets who would at least have powers after dying. or you could have unvoted while you were private messaging about the waffle buster. your entire argument for not being on the red colored team is that you were being stupid and it is starting to be an insult to your intelligence to not vote for you. you should claim everything.

best outfit ever + did not die night one obviously on red colored team.

no one should vote until we are sure what we want to do today.

[Shadoweh]

edit by way of post because triple posts are the most town.
crown boy since we get your power for free tomorrow you should check exactly what night virus could do and if we are lucky god rabbit of psychic powers is still linked to him and you will also get his powers.

[Iced Fairy]

Okay.  Took advantage of the night to clean out my personal opinions and reread the game. 
Learn a lot of interesting things that way.

So let's start at the top.

Hanged Hourai.  WTF.

Your doc claim seemed reasonable to me, and I made the mistake of cutting you slack with the Pesco lynch because I was sure he was scum.  (I'd still be sure if it he hadn't flipped green.)  But on rereading I noticed something.

You were the nail in Schezo's coffin.  Edible had just switched to Dolls but was being wishy-washy.  If you really believed Pesco was scum, you could have demanded Pesco lynch, convinced the wafflers and done it legitimately.  So why the gambit?  Why not put your money where your mouth is and vote for scum!?  That's what town does.

Heck I don't even know why SCUM would have pulled that gambit.  There's only two reasons.  One: Schezo is 3rd scum, something I find unlikely right now.  Two: Scum wanted to pull some town confusion garbage and make everyone start screaming about anon votes.  Which would be a stupid plan when you could just lynch two town normally and cruise into lylow.

Except Bardiche did just that last night.  Scum is that stupid.

So yeah.  How was that play in towns interests.  At all?  Unless you got a miracle answer up your sleeve I think this is the only option:
##Vote Hanged Hourai.

Okay.  On to the other people that appeared on my little reading session.

Edible, do you ever openly hunt scum?

I ask this because now would be a good time to start.  Aside from your fight with pesco day 1, which was your fault, and your reaction to his over reaction, which was I admit reasonable, you've only done 3 other scumhunting posts.  One "forcefully" tells Kitten4U and Dolls to post more, while making no comment of worth on the PX train.  One clears Hourai, Shadoweh and Bardiche, for no reason whatsoever, and only explains his weak reasoning when later pressed.  Then a sudden decision to kill Schezo instead of Pesco because, of one thing Pesco had said?  Ignoring anything Schezo had done on day two.  Oh and he switches to Dolls, the safe lynch while giving the Schezo wagon the 2nd to last push.

I don't like this record.  I don't like the fact that I can find this record easily.  I also don't like how you start the day off with a non post.

Also:
Who did you twist?  Town doesn't need to go running in circles because of misdirected roles.

Okay.  Next.

Dormio.  Runs in, tells us what happened again to flesh out a post, drops a vote, runs away.  We need scumhunting.  Do you have any other reasons why Edible is scum here, or are you going just off a role name?  Your casual voting and drive by posting are anti-town.  I'm not going to let myself fall for the same mistake I made last day and assume that people who are voting for those I think are scum aren't scum themselves.

Conqueror: Lots of useless info on too many people.  I can't remember half the things he says without going back and rereading the posts.  That's never good.  I want a post on someone now, not later.

cold pixie + so yesterday your entire contribution was wanting to lynch god rabbit of psychic power.

And, you know, pointing out Bardiche as scum too.  Not to mention the other bits of scumhunting earlier.  You're good when you catch the facts, but you need to pay more attention to details.  Like say, Bardiche's kill thing being the next day's lynch instead of that day's.  I'm very glad you were wrong there, otherwise I'd still think Pesco was scum.

[Dormio Ergo Sum]

Dormio.  Runs in, tells us what happened again to flesh out a post, drops a vote, runs away.  We need scumhunting.

It was 1am and I had been yelling at Pesco, Hele, Trance and Infinity for the past two hours. D:
Anyway.

Do you have any other reasons why Edible is scum here, or are you going just off a role name?

Evidently, I'm a retard that forgets how things work too quickly.
I still get the feeling that Edible is scum but I'm going to have to reread again to try to confirm tihs.
I'll get a post on more Edible after I get back from uni if I can't make one now.

[Edible]

Jesus tapdancing christ, I hate my connection at work sometimes.  Could barely get on the site all day.

Bard's swap doesn't exactly cripple you or anything, that argument doesn't seem all that strong to me.

Not an argument, just a logical statement to make.  I call to your attention this, in which Bard outright asks all night roles to target me/pesco, including potential investigative roles.  Why in the world would he want someone to investigate me, were I fellow scum?  Furthermore, why would he suggest that and then use his twist virus on me, which would have directed all actions aimed at me to hit him instead, and vice versa?  Any investigative role that targeted me would have, that evening, returned a value of "scum" - because it would have actually hit Bard and no one would have been the wiser.  Tell me, what sort of alignment is his power best used on?

Who did you twist?  Town doesn't need to go running in circles because of misdirected roles.

Nobody, as it happens.  Lynching Bardiche rendered the ability null, as I was informed after the flip.

You may dislike my scumhunting methods, but a sensible mind understands that I have more townie cred right now than almost any living player, through virtue of solid evidence (see above).  If you insist on painting me as scum, I'll post a rebuttal to your other arguments, but until then I will make better use of my time.

Now then.

Doll and Shadoweh will get passes from me today, unless some new evidence shows up.  Bardiche was willing to anonyhammer Doll, which is a big plus in his book.  Shadoweh faked Bardiche out, and unless that was a hilarious scumgambit it's not worth wasting time on her today either.

Hourai needs a stern talking to, but I'm not really sure he's scum.  His gambit last night, upon consideration, smacks more of idiocy than scum intent, and indeed would have made little sense for scum anyway (as shadoweh pointed out).

That leaves Schezo, Dormio, Conqueror, and Iced Fairy.  Of the four, Conqueror appears highest on my scumdar - which appears to have been wrong all game (thanks, pesco).  I'll dig around anyway and see what comes up.

[Shadoweh]

crown boy stop playing monopoly and post damnit
oh wait benevolent master of game got back to me.
FREEDOM! GLORIOUS CAPITALIZED FREEDOM!

So yeah, yesterday was pretty fricking awful. I know I just yelled at Hourai about this but EVERYONE WHO WAS TOWN HAD THE CHANCE TO SAVE PESCO AND FAILED. It was blatantly obvious Pesco was the main target. But fighting over that won't help us now and I'm sure Pesco God of MindHax wants to do it himself after game.

The post restricter is obviously scum because if you look back at Bard's conversation with me he was asking all the right questions about it. Hell even if someone else has the role I think he's the one that wrote the thing. I'm still gonna keep making up names for Doll though, it amuses the hell out of me. So everyone but Conqueror and Schezo have posted, which of you has the restriction today? Oh and Hourai but I don't think scum get restrictions.

btw scum, scummity, scummers, sCuM, scumlike, scumface and.

Iced Fairy: That WAS what I was trying to communicate about Bardiche's lynch. You try being clear when you aren't allowed to use commas or quote marks or conjunctions. Out of the people you listed who do you think is most likely to be Hourai and Bardiche's scum buddy?

Coolmango Danceachoo Dormio: Cool you're kinda like a rolecop except completely useless because you only get names? Seriously what else did you get?

Edible: I can think of a few ways what Hourai did makes sense as scum. If you don't think he's scum though which TWO others do you suspect? I'll consider this claiming vanilla townie for now.

@Mod Can we get a votecount oh look at me ask for one all by myself like a boss

[Iced Fairy]

Not an argument, just a logical statement to make.  I call to your attention this, in which Bard outright asks all night roles to target me/pesco, including potential investigative roles.  Why in the world would he want someone to investigate me, were I fellow scum?

Because he used his twist virus on you, meaning he would be targeted.

Furthermore, why would he suggest that and then use his twist virus on me, which would have directed all actions aimed at me to hit him instead, and vice versa?  Any investigative role that targeted me would have, that evening, returned a value of "scum"

Or nothing would happen because of infoblockers, immunity on Bard's part... etc etc.  This game doesn't exactly lack for roles here.

Nobody, as it happens.  Lynching Bardiche rendered the ability null, as I was informed after the flip.

... Okay, I'll believe that, since it's backed by the flavor text and Bard's death rule.

And for someone too busy to be bothered to refute my assertions you still didn't actually do any scumhunting.  Just pointed fingers at not town and left.

Well you've convinced me to do something at least.

##Unvote Hanged Hourai

Eagerly awaiting someone scumhunting other then me and Shadoweh.

[Iced Fairy]

Shadoweh : Whoops.  Sorry.  Yeah whoever gave you that post restriction is a dick.

As you can see I'm kinda confused now.  Edible's "I'm town so I don't have to scumhunt" post kinda threw me off.  I won't be able to guess scumpairs until Hourais post and Conqueror and/or Dormio brings something real to the table.  The scum this game seem to be playing with a lot of WIFOM gambits and overacting, so I'm not confident without more information.

Currently I'm still thinking it's one active and one lurker though.

If you really want me to make my guess out loud I will, but I'd like more posts on the board.

[Shadoweh]

Cut past the confusion, it is the weapon of the enemy. Look into your heart again and speak what you think is true for this moment right now. It's not like you have to stick to what you say now for the rest of the day.

[Iced Fairy]

Point.  I'll say everything except the gambit I think scum might be pulling.  That I can judge later.

First, I think the scum pair concept is a bad notion this game.  You'll note that none of the people on that list other then Hourai voted along with Bardiche over the entire course of Day 2 (barring the Dolls trick), and there are 3 scum.  Scum obviously aren't joined at the hip.

So based on that I'm currently believe it's Hourai and Dormio.  Dormio's drive by style voting allows him to always have his name by other scum if the town is coming close, but never commits him to anything.  Hourai... well we know the case on him.

[Iced Fairy]

EBWOP: On the other hand Dormio could get himself off that list really quick with a good high content post.  The problem with having multiple lurkers is that it's too much lnyching based on gut, since there are no facts.  (HINT HINT)

[Serela]

Yay No More Anonyvotes So Comods Can Votecount Again Votecount!

Edible (1): Dormio
Hanged Hourai (0): Iced Fairy

Not Voting: Everyone not named Dormio

With 8 alive, it takes 5 to lynch. Whole bunch of hours left. Like 2 and a quarter days or something, mang. I'm so lazy.

[Schezo]

Alright, let's see here:

Holy fucking shit Conqueror, you don't exist!  Pretty much everything you have said is just throwaway comments and bandwagoning. This post where you don't have an opinion to make about wither side so that it won't fall on you for not offing fellow scum or getting on a town wagon is really damning, even more so since it is one of the better posts you have made and is really absolute crap.  You bring nothing new to the table when you do appear so there is little doubt in my mind you are like the embodiment of lurk devil scum.

Hourai: The fact that he tried to off me right before deadline is really damning to me because then he quickly took it back when I called him for it and Iced Fairy claimed to back me or something.  However, Bardiche hammered when he thought my 2nd lynch would be between Pesco, Me or Doll random so I give him slight clear for WIFOM for that.  This however saddens me.  The weakest reasoning ever, I mean none.  You never said what you didn't like about me and then played it off as a gambit.  What?  I can hardly see how this is just raw stupidity but then again.  Also to note is that Hourai doesn't seem nearly as brash and aggressive as in the other games when he is town, so after his whatever that was attack on PX, Zakeri has this to say and I think it speaks volumes now.  I also recall seeing a post where he pretty much parrots Kitten and goes after me but I could be imagining that.  If I find it in my reread, I'll post it.

I want both of them dead at this point.  This is a really tough decision but the sway that Hourai hasn't been as aggressive as past games when he was town is the main seller, though, I would like to hear from them.

##Vote: Hanged Hourai

Dormio: Is pretty much Conqueror except he posted a bit more and seems to be on people's minds when it counts. Jumped on Pesco early day one right before it was "in style" with some weak reasoning.  Has been hit and run all game and cold be one of the three lurk scum out there. :|

Doll and Shadoweh are the towniest at this point so no point in me going over them.  Shadoweh: Just because I can play Monopoly on my phone doesn't mean I can come over and read and play Mafia like a want. :V

And, you know, pointing out Bardiche as scum too.  Not to mention the other bits of scumhunting earlier.

Except that's kinda been weakened because I already posted some reasoning to Bard being scum but I suppose it's a valid answer.

and there are 3 scum

Wait, when did this happen?  We know for sure? Last game it was just Kitten and I against the world.

since there are no facts.  (HINT HINT)

Sorry?  These take a while. ;_; ( 1 hour and a half, gone :V)

That's all for now, I have work to do.  I haven't gotten a full reread but I'm wondering if I should pull my ability and completely unveil everything about Pesco's role. :wat:

[Shadoweh]

No. Pull your ability and find out everything about BARDICHE'S role.

[Shadoweh]

Also you're entirely correct that we don't know if there are three scum or not. Since we axe murdered one, if there are two left we wouldn't be in any form of LYLO. It's just more likely then two.

[Iced Fairy]

Wait, when did this happen?  We know for sure? Last game it was just Kitten and I against the world.

Isn't it in the OP?

/checks OP.

I'm sure I saw it somewhere.  I remember that from before I actually joined the game.

/checks game intro.

Well....  And here I am telling people to pay attention to posts.  I guess there's a possibility of 1or 2 scum being left.  I could live with there being only one scum.  But I wouldn't bet on it.

[Edible]

Hrm.  During my reread, I noticed something interesting.

Allow me to provide you with all of Conqueror's interactions with Bardiche throughout the game.

@Bard
I'm reading Shadoweh as a heavyhanded townie with good intentions. I don't see anything wrong with trying to make some useful discussion. As for the lurkers, I'm willing to put them on the backburner until D2, sure.

Bardiche: Bard is confusing and just as unreadable as ever. I'll look at him later along with Zakeri and Shadoweh.

And then this mess of words that was basically a request to talk less.

... And that's it.  A friendly side chat, and two orders of "I dunno lol".

Further of note: Conq was vote #4 on PX and L-1 on Bardiche.  The former is a potential swing vote for scum to lynch town; the latter might imply hesitation and allowed Bardiche to self-hammer.

That's enough pattern analysis for me to lay a preliminary vote. ##vote Conqueror

I believe Conq warrants further study.

Edible: I can think of a few ways what Hourai did makes sense as scum. If you don't think he's scum though which TWO others do you suspect? I'll consider this claiming vanilla townie for now.

Conq's one.  Dormio's the other, but mostly by process of elimination; I don't think Iced Fairy is scum for much the same reasons I didn't think you were yesterday and D1.  To correct your second statement, I've claimed nothing except that I was no longer required or able to use Bardiche's twist virus last night.  I seriously doubt anyone this game is vanilla.

[Iced Fairy]

Edible : That's... actually a good catch.  He did talk a lot about Bardiche without saying anything.  I missed it because Conqueror hasn't really said anything concrete.  About anyone.  At all.  Points always seem to be coming later.

Well it's later now.

[Shadoweh]

*crickets*

Are you SURE we have to choose between them for scum Edibles?
Also I'm totally basic, I believe in the you that believes in me.