Author Topic: GOD DAMNIT CHAORE Mafia (A.k.a. Mafia RPG!) - GAME OVER, SCUM WIN.  (Read 45062 times)

Re: GOD DAMNIT CHAORE Mafia (A.k.a. Mafia RPG!) - Day 3
« Reply #360 on: February 20, 2011, 06:37:53 AM »
Oh, blame Chaore for messing up his votecount then. God damnit NeoSerela.

Quote from: reV
said it just for the sake of making my post look a little more substantial than it really is.
You're really not helping your case right now, y'know?

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Re: GOD DAMNIT CHAORE Mafia (A.k.a. Mafia RPG!) - Day 3
« Reply #361 on: February 20, 2011, 06:44:06 AM »
Well hey, when you are tired you say shit, it happens. when I derp I derp, at least I'm honest about it. Real man has no need for lies and deceits, not even in Mafia.

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Re: GOD DAMNIT CHAORE Mafia (A.k.a. Mafia RPG!) - Day 3
« Reply #362 on: February 20, 2011, 07:10:43 AM »
Glawd I want to lynch Schezo now. The way he's pushing PX lynch based on possibility instead of evidence is just rhcbjghghhjjjnjn.

Currently need
- Vote count
- Zak post

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Re: GOD DAMNIT CHAORE Mafia (A.k.a. Mafia RPG!) - Day 3
« Reply #363 on: February 20, 2011, 07:30:16 AM »
Unofficial Vote Count: Better than the mods!

Golden PX- Schezo
Zakeri- Golden PX, reVelske, Pesco, holywhat
reVelske- Zakeri, Kitten4U, Golden PX
Pesco- reVelske, Golden PX, reVelske
Schezo- reVelske

Not Voting: Golden PX

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Re: GOD DAMNIT CHAORE Mafia (A.k.a. Mafia RPG!) - Day 3
« Reply #364 on: February 20, 2011, 07:35:05 AM »
OMG WHY DOES REV AND PX HAVE 4 VOTES?!?!?

Use italics, can't see bold on my phone.

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Re: GOD DAMNIT CHAORE Mafia (A.k.a. Mafia RPG!) - Day 3
« Reply #365 on: February 20, 2011, 07:36:54 AM »
Unofficial Vote Count: Better than the mods! Redux

Golden PX- Schezo
Zakeri- Golden PX, reVelske, Pesco, holywhat
reVelske- Zakeri, Kitten4U, Golden PX
Pesco- reVelske, Golden PX, reVelske
Schezo- reVelske

Not Voting: Golden PX

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Re: GOD DAMNIT CHAORE Mafia (A.k.a. Mafia RPG!) - Day 3
« Reply #366 on: February 20, 2011, 09:24:44 AM »
##Unvote
##Vote Schezo


I reread and there's definitely something wrong with him wanting PX dead. SK/vig getting a lucky shot to off scum is the biggest thing they have to worry about since it's one person's choice instead of the majority's. Playing up the possibility of him shooting is beyond us even if we want to hold him accountable. Town would simply have no way to win in any case if he's really SK.

If Schezo flips scum and PX is SK, we can be assured of 2 dead townies overnight. 4 people left, scum will have to kill PX to secure their win. It's all up to luck in that case for a crosskill.

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Re: GOD DAMNIT CHAORE Mafia (A.k.a. Mafia RPG!) - Day 3
« Reply #367 on: February 20, 2011, 05:35:30 PM »
Town does have 2 ways to win out of all that can happen right now, and one of them is really iffy.

Ok, so we can deduce there are only 2 mafia otherwise we would have been in LYLO earlier and have been screwed already.  If there
s a SK at this point is has to be PX.  That's because he has been acting scummy this whole game and he's the only one who could have made the extra kills.  The only thing I can see is I was trying to figure out the Hourai kill and why PX would shoot a person he found scummy from a rational standpoint and I ended up in just conscious awareness.  That's the only thing that's bothering me about the SK case.

But let's take a look at every scenario that can possibly happen at this point.

If he's SK then there is: 4town, 2mafia and 1SK, which makes some more sense to the SK theory making 3 scums for town to hunt.

This is what can happen if town lynches town today:
We could have 2town 2mafia and 1SK and town can't win that even if SK doesn't shoot because the next day, even if mafia is lynched we have 1town 1mafia 1SK so if SK decides to shoot, he wins.
Again if town is lynched, we have 1town 2mafia 1SK, if SK shoots or 2town 1mafia 1SK that town still can't win because if we lynch mafia, SK wins and if we lynch SK, mafia wins.

Now if Mafia does get lynched today:
We have a possible win condition but relying on it would be rather dumb: We get 3town 1mafia 1SK if SK doesn't shoot!  That would require we all place our trust in PX (which is dumb) and we could go on to town lynching mafia again leaving 2town 1SK or lynching SK leaving 2town 1mafia on the last day.
But if SK shoots we get stuck with 2town 1mafia and 1SK and town cannot win.  But if SK does shoot mafia we are left with 3town and 1SK which is winnable, leaving the game completely up to a cross kill or a stupid SK.

But the one I keep harping is if we lynch SK we get 3town and 2mafia and town can win with that.

So really town has to for sure hit mafia today or the SK if he does exist.  However it is a lot safer for town to go after SK so we can place the game in our own hands instead of relying on a third party to win the game for us.

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Re: GOD DAMNIT CHAORE Mafia (A.k.a. Mafia RPG!) - Day 3
« Reply #368 on: February 20, 2011, 06:07:32 PM »
Long story short, we lynch the scum that's trying to lynch the possible-SK.

Re: GOD DAMNIT CHAORE Mafia (A.k.a. Mafia RPG!) - Day 3
« Reply #369 on: February 20, 2011, 09:00:28 PM »
Okay, so, did Zakeri disappear off the face of the earth or something? (fake edit: okay, apparently not, he's online right now. still going to post this.)
If not, I'd like to ask him who he would have voted D2, seeing as he somehow got away with not putting a vote out on that day and never gave any particular indication of who he intended to vote. I seriously thought somebody had already pointed that out when I made my original post today, but I guess not. While this could be excused by the day's premature ending, the response to Bard that he posted after the night ended still lacked any particular indication of who he would have gone after that day.

Will re-read Schezo in a bit. Not really agreeing that he should be voted for just because he wants the potential SK dead, though. It's not like scum couldn't take PX out via nightkill, so scum could probably take out a different PR instead if they wished. Though I do think Schezo is overreacting about the "we don't know if PX will keep his word" part, since if PX is SK then it's in his favor not to shoot if a townie gets lynched today.

Re: GOD DAMNIT CHAORE Mafia (A.k.a. Mafia RPG!) - Day 3
« Reply #370 on: February 20, 2011, 10:49:33 PM »
alright, two days is enough recovery time, even if one of those days was free in terms of gametime.

Yes, Kitten4u does make mentions of other players, but my main issue with her posts is that there doesn't seem to be any focus on anything other than lynching Kips. That's not to say there's nothing else in her posts, just that the parts that have nothing to do with Kips turn into a haze. The first post mentions PX's style "bothering her," and Conqueror's stepping back "making her uneasy." The only strong accusation I would count in the post besides kips is her asking Sect directly who scum is. moving onto 172, Conqueror slides from bothersome to acceptable target, along with the mention of her suspicion on Hourai (which I will buy as explained in her recent post for now). All of this has a tenancy to fall by the waste-side when you take a glance that K4u has been viciously targeting a townie for two days in a row.

Also, I must have seriously misread the first part on reV in your post 223. I didn't realize it was referring to Kips self-hammering.

Still, I don't consider spending the whole game tunneling on a single townie because they were certain that person was scum to be a particularly strong scumtell. Especially considering Bardiche's flip. I still think reV and Schezo are scummier.
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Schezo:"You did explain the Bard one, after he conveniently died and couldn't retort to what you said."
Not my fault Bard hammered and night came as I was typing that up. If I had released it was night time before starting up the entire post, It at the very least would have been written with the changes that occurred over nighttime in mind - namely that Bardiche was now dead.
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Schezo:"As reV pointed out what is a bi-polar cop?  Why would you know that, when there are also other theories out there on what it is?  We don't really know unless Chaore confirms it, which may not happen and we'll have to deal with it."
What kind of role are you accusing me of, assuming I'm privy to people's roles? Even scum are only told if other people are the same kind of scum they are or not. And Hourai started out and died as a townie, even if he had a traitor-role.

Congratulation to Huh what, for being the first person to actually build a case against me that makes sense. I admit, it's scummy as hell, but I still felt back then that Kips was town somehow, and spend more time trying to talk his way out of a paper bag then succeeding at it. I made it a point not to go after Kips because of all of my previous experiences with going after and lynching someone for being the stupidest person to grace mafia that week (with results that varied from lynching a vanilla townie, all the way to lynching a town bomb that killed another townie that was voting for him, and nothing out the other side). It's to the point where I automatically assume people like that are town, due to -if no other reason- Murphy's Law. I also see in your recent ninja you're asking me who I would have voted for, and to be honest, I probably would have been provoked into voting Bardiche is he hadn't hammered. Without Bardiche's bad case on me, however, I would be going after reVelske for the same reasons I started out voting him today.

I honestly have no idea what reV is trying to do with his roleclaim. I'm almost ready to take it a face value for how optimally that was played.

As far as I'm concerned about the SK/Vig theory, Either PX is town, in which case he is fighting for town victory, and knows what to do based on the flip of whoever we lynch, or he's third party, in which case if he doesn't do what's good for town, we lynch him and he loses anyway. The key point about having a SK is that once he's revealed his ability to shoot, even if he's claimed Vig, we still have him under the town's thumbnail. You can play probabilities all you'd like, but only the mafia has a reason to off PX now, and that's because they're the ones most at threat by the vig/SK. Additionally, Mafia would really want to lynch him because in the chance that he is an SK, he's probably bulletproof as well, and the mafia couldn't deal with it themselves. Personally, I'd rather vote mafia today, and we can't really do that if we vote PX instead.

Really, this is enough to edge out Schezo as the better lynch in my opinion.

##Unvote: reVelske
##Vote: Schezo

L-1 Alert.

Also, PX, I've forgotten who you thought was scum, and I don't feel like combing the backlog of posts once again, so since you aren't voting, could you at least give me a short list with reasons? Thanks.

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Re: GOD DAMNIT CHAORE Mafia (A.k.a. Mafia RPG!) - Day 3
« Reply #371 on: February 20, 2011, 11:18:39 PM »
Vote Count: The Prettifuls Edition

Golden PX - Schezo
Zakeri - holywhat
reVelske - Kitten4U
Pesco - reVelske
Schezo - Pesco, Zakeri

Not Voting: Golden PX

With 7 alive it takes 4 to lynch. There are 9 hours left in the day.
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Re: GOD DAMNIT CHAORE Mafia (A.k.a. Mafia RPG!) - Day 3
« Reply #372 on: February 21, 2011, 12:04:35 AM »
self-confirmed for cannot count tier

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Re: GOD DAMNIT CHAORE Mafia (A.k.a. Mafia RPG!) - Day 3
« Reply #373 on: February 21, 2011, 01:57:08 AM »
Quote from: huh what
   
"since if PX is SK then it's in his favor not to shoot if a townie gets lynched today."
I don't see this, SK has nothing to lose because
1.) If town gets lynched today town has lost if PX is SK, what with

4town, 2mafia, 1SK
Town is lynched, SK doesn't shoot
2town, 2mafia, 1SK

Town cannot win that.

2.) If mafia gets lynched today, town can only win if PX SK is stupid or crosskills.



I don't see how I'm scum because I want to take the best route for victory. 

Zakeri, town doesn't have PX under our thumb if we let him live today because the only way SK won't screw us over is if:
 1. PX can't shoot every night
 2. PX crosskills or
 3. PX is a derptard
and #1 is taking in to account we all have to trust a 3rd party member. :|

Re: GOD DAMNIT CHAORE Mafia (A.k.a. Mafia RPG!) - Day 3
« Reply #374 on: February 21, 2011, 02:09:06 AM »
Augh, I've been putting off re-reading Schezo forever because the first two days of this game are absolutely painful to read. Regardless, here goes:
  • Schezo's D1 case on kips in #62 is surprisingly minimal and it feel like his Hourai case has more meat to it. kips was pretty horrible throughout D1, so the vote itself isn't too illogical, but I'm not sure I like how Schezo took the bandwagon option over the case he seemed to verbalize stronger.
  • Switch to Conqueror in #152 feels like a jump from a dying wagon to a stronger one from the standpoint of pure wagon analysis, but the vote itself is solid. Schezo putting the kips case on the backburner feels a bit less iffy to me than it did when I called him out for it on D1 now that I realize how minimal his kips vote seemed. Not liking how Schezo was still putting his Hourai case on the backburner for wagons, since the way he words each of his cases makes it seem like the Hourai case is his strongest one. Schezo, why did you think Hourai was not worth voting?
  • D2 kips jump (#235) is reasonable enough, or at least it is in my eyes. I honestly don't think the D2 kips wagon is worth analyzing at this point because of how inevitable his lynch was (though the same does not go for the D1 wagon). It's interesting how Schezo drops his D2 PX case completely today and instead is just voting him because he's probably the SK, though.
  • Schezo's point in #333 about reV's claim being an attempt to escape my scumdar is pretty ridiculous, considering that I already thought reV looked townie at the time it was claimed to be a gambit. Feels a bit hypocritical considering that he was accusing reV of conspiracy theories in the same post. The question dodging was a misrep on reV as well, and it feels odd that Schezo suddenly shot up reV to his second choice instead of Zakeri because of these weak reasons.
  • I've already stated that I disagree with Schezo wanting to lynch the potential SK scummy, but after thinking it over a bit, I don't think Schezo's PX vote is that great, albeit for different reasons than everybody else does - mainly that he is not going after somebody for being scummy. There is no substance to his PX vote beyond playing the set-up, which is a very convenient way for scum to park a vote on somebody who they know to not be of their ranks. He's essentially shoving an actual logical lynch founded on scumhunting to tomorrow, meaning scum has time to remove somebody from the discussion as well as wait for more townie slip-ups to base their votes on.
So. All things considered, I think I would indeed be up for a Schezo lynch today, due to his wagon-happiness D1 and the manner in which he is currently parking his vote. Or at least, I'd be up for it more than I'd be up for a reVelske lynch. I'd still prefer Zak die today, however, so I will not switch my vote to Schezo until we're closer to the end of the day, just in case it's still possible to get a Zakeri lynch.

Speaking of Zak, I still have a post of his to respond to. Let's see where that takes us.

If you were so sure kips was town, then why did you drop your defense of him completely on D2 when it he was a major target? You did not even provide any sort of alternative to his lynch, and even if you were not on his wagon, the complete indifference towards the impending doom of somebody you thought to be town looks quite scummy and falls under the sin of omission. Aside from that, I'm honestly not sure I believe you about voting reVelske, mainly because of how little you have pressured him over the game until recently. Sure, there was your vote on him from the start of D1, but you later admitted that it was a vote to corner him into contributing (which I assume was because of his meta) before dropping it completely. That was the last time you actually pressured reVelske over anything until D2 and the last time you even insinuated that you thought he was scum until the same post, in which you had little-to-no reasons for voting him layed out on the table, even though you claimed that he was just as scummy as the wagon you were voting on during D1. Pray tell, why did you completely delay forming a decent case on reVelske until your other suspects (Conqueror and Bard) were dead? You pressured reVelske when he procrastinated in sharing his cases with the rest of the town, so I fail to see why we should let you get away with the same thing.

It is seriously painful to watch how the entirety of town has essentially been ignoring Zak completely since D2 and especially D3, after the flips of kips and Conqueror should have cast suspicion onto his past actions in hindsight. I really cannot see townie intent in the way he swung the wagons D1 and allowed kips to live on to the future while diminishing any potential analysis stemming from kips' flip, the latter of which being especially damning when you consider that Zakeri himself claimed that a kips flip would be difficult to gather information from before proceeding to help push it to a time in which it a kips flip would become even less useful for analysis. Combined with very little contributive D2 content (he didn't even vote) and a lack of well-explained cases on any player other than K4U and Conqueror until he was forced to come up with them for LYLO, Zakeri is easily the scummiest person alive right now and it is unnerving that everybody started discounting him as a possible lynch after the first half of the day.

tl;dr I am willing to switch to Schezo at the end of the day because his D1 and D3 actions are indeed rather scummy, but please stop ignoring Zakeri completely argh.

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Re: GOD DAMNIT CHAORE Mafia (A.k.a. Mafia RPG!) - Day 3
« Reply #375 on: February 21, 2011, 02:21:38 AM »
hi 6~ hours
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Re: GOD DAMNIT CHAORE Mafia (A.k.a. Mafia RPG!) - Day 3
« Reply #376 on: February 21, 2011, 02:35:43 AM »
Uh huh...

Yeah, you do realize that you're completely ignoring the possibility that I am a town vig and not a SK. And if I were a SK, then scum would definitely want me dead.

Also, are you calling me dumb?   :(

Scumlist?

1) Schezo

Holy crap, his D3 went from: Continue D2 case on me, then lynch the scummier person than the actual mafia, then to lynch the vig because he will lose the game for town by being derp, to lynching the *Possible* SK because that's more important than lynching mafia.

2) reVelske

Failed gambit, doctor claim. Read post 317. Only reason I unvoted was because Pesco was threatening hammer.

3) Pesco

Quote from: Me
Wrong. Sure, he started the wagon against Conq and me, but for Conq, he had a very half assed reason and justified his vote using the OMGUS and other people's reason. And he used huh what's post against me.
Otherwise, his D1 consists of joking/serious posts, and talked only about Conquerer. Serious lack of scumhunting.

If Schezo is mafia, Night Targets. You guys vote  :V

1) Me (Yes, I will suicide)

2) Zak (Info lynch)

3) reV (Number 2 on scum list)

Re: GOD DAMNIT CHAORE Mafia (A.k.a. Mafia RPG!) - Day 3
« Reply #377 on: February 21, 2011, 02:37:15 AM »
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2) Zak (Info lynch)
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(Info lynch)
Do you people even read my posts? That said, it should be obvious who I'm voting for.

Also, it's not reV's fault his gambit failed. I'm not sure why you're counting that against him. <_<

Re: GOD DAMNIT CHAORE Mafia (A.k.a. Mafia RPG!) - Day 3
« Reply #378 on: February 21, 2011, 02:37:34 AM »
And why are you unwilling to kill Pesco?

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Re: GOD DAMNIT CHAORE Mafia (A.k.a. Mafia RPG!) - Day 3
« Reply #379 on: February 21, 2011, 02:41:19 AM »
This is only if the day lynch flips scum, otherwise no Night Kill.

And you guys decide who I kill.

Also, edit to Night Kill choice #1

1) Me (PERSONAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA ) :colonveeplusalpha:

Re: GOD DAMNIT CHAORE Mafia (A.k.a. Mafia RPG!) - Day 3
« Reply #380 on: February 21, 2011, 02:44:09 AM »
That... doesn't answer either of my questions. How would Schezo's death clear Pesco as townie enough to not be shot at all and Zakeri as not worth stabbing for any reason beyond an info kill?

You'll have to bare with me, it's just a little irritating to churn out a post about why somebody is scum only for the next player to imply that said person would only be worth lynching for information.

By the way, you never talked about this, and I'm a little curious (I don't think it would exactly benifit scum either). What's the flavor for your role? reVelske was able to share his role info openly, I don't see why you aren't.

Re: GOD DAMNIT CHAORE Mafia (A.k.a. Mafia RPG!) - Day 3
« Reply #381 on: February 21, 2011, 02:44:50 AM »
Oh ffs that should say "to bear with".

What am I even doing.

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Re: GOD DAMNIT CHAORE Mafia (A.k.a. Mafia RPG!) - Day 3
« Reply #382 on: February 21, 2011, 02:49:41 AM »
Actually, I'll clarify even more

Self Kill = Most town action
Zak kill = 2nd most town action
reV kill = Killing scummiest
Pesco kill = Selfish kill

cut by Huh What:

Oh, hm...

I'll get back to that in my next post. Otherwise, I'm a sniper.

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Re: GOD DAMNIT CHAORE Mafia (A.k.a. Mafia RPG!) - Day 3
« Reply #383 on: February 21, 2011, 03:00:22 AM »
I don't know why you say that I completely dropped my day 2 case on PX for the most recent stuff I've brought up.  I guess it wasn't crystal clear that in addition to the whole SK thing that I have explained, he has done nothing all game still, like I addressed in my 235 post and if I kept bringing it up when I already stated it today in 257, I thought it was covered.  He is acting scummier than hell, when he has not said a thing all day or yesterday and people have called him out on it at various points, I guess you all want to just gloss over them and go after me for wanting to put town in a winning position, which I'm sure at least one scum has jumped on me at this point.

About the reV question dodging.
As I stated in my 351 I honestly didn't see the answer to that question, even when it was pointed out, it was just subtle hints that could have been taken any way someone wanted to, which I guess worked for you and PX.

And the reason I didn't vote Hourai is that I knew he was proactive enough in everyone's eyes that there simply was no chance of him being the lynch so I decided to go with conqueror for the reasons stated in my 152.

fakeedit: Cut by PX: God really, that's all you can say is that you'll be a voteable vig for town to use and you want a clear when you are threatening to vig yourself?  If you really are town, how will that help the town in any way?  That feels like it's indirectly just saying, "I'm not town so I'll shoot myself for town benefit."  Would you really?  Why?  Are you even allowed to do that?  I honestly see nothing redemption worthy in all of that, because you still have yet to do anything.

Re: GOD DAMNIT CHAORE Mafia (A.k.a. Mafia RPG!) - Day 3
« Reply #384 on: February 21, 2011, 03:09:09 AM »
Quote from: Schezo
Zakeri, town doesn't have PX under our thumb if we let him live today because the only way SK won't screw us over is if:
 1. PX can't shoot every night
 2. PX crosskills or
 3. PX is a derptard

1. He said as much yesterday while explaining his role. He reloads every other night.
2. This is assuming we're lynching a townie. Why do you not want to lynch mafia?
3. This is a more significant factor than you admit it is.

Besides, if we kill PX ourselves, scum won't have to choose between shooting PX and shooting Huh what. There's very much potential and reason for a crosskill to occur. If we waste our lynch on PX, that pretty much means it's impossible for town to win without some form of clairvoyance. The kind that we obviously don't even come close to having.

You are not giving the town the edge it needs. You're removing that edge.

Quote from: Huh what
why did you completely delay forming a decent case on reVelske until your other suspects (Conqueror and Bard) were dead? You pressured reVelske when he procrastinated in sharing his cases with the rest of the town, so I fail to see why we should let you get away with the same thing.
I don't really have an answer for that except that for the fact that my reread came about just before I started writing up my response to Bardiche. Again, I was dicked over by the fact that Bardiche hammered, and ended the day a good dozen or so hours before I expected it. Everyone pretty much realized the Kips lynch was inevitable, including myself. I didn't vote Kips because I stood by the idea that he wasn't mafia.

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Re: GOD DAMNIT CHAORE Mafia (A.k.a. Mafia RPG!) - Day 3
« Reply #385 on: February 21, 2011, 03:10:00 AM »
2town, 2mafia, 1SK

Town cannot win that.

Is that so? Now I've never actually played a game with a SK in it, so I'm needing some explanation here in terms of win conditions and whatnot, my understanding was that if mafia total = everyone else total, mafia wins and its game over?

Failed gambit, doctor claim. Read post 317. Only reason I unvoted was because Pesco was threatening hammer.

Why did you even quote that post when NONE of your reasons actually held any substance? Do enlighten me.


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Re: GOD DAMNIT CHAORE Mafia (A.k.a. Mafia RPG!) - Day 3
« Reply #386 on: February 21, 2011, 03:10:19 AM »
Like I stated, reV could have lied and sacrificed himself for town's good, but his damned principles apparently get in the way.

Pesco is basically invisible to everyone except me, you and reV. Nobody has even bothered looking his direction.

Now that Zak case, it makes a good sense, but it doesn't make him scummier than the others.

So, can people please talk about Pesco and his cat?

cut by Schezo:

So...... uh..... what?

I admit to that I am acting scummier, but you're conceding that I'm not scum. Or are you saying I'm both SK AND Mafia?

Also, I knew Hourai wasn't going to get lynched. What stopped you from voting and putting pressure on him?

And the most town thing a useless town member can do towards end game is just die instead of wasting a lynch like kips.

GAHHHHHHHHHHH ZAK CUT. POSTING THIS NOW

FUUUUUUUUUUUU REV

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Re: GOD DAMNIT CHAORE Mafia (A.k.a. Mafia RPG!) - Day 3
« Reply #387 on: February 21, 2011, 03:20:21 AM »
Hm... actually, thinking it over, Zak would be the most useful kill as it gives information pertaining to reV (D3 counter wagon) and Kitten (Main interaction)

Also, going by mafiascum, Serial Killer wins when everyone else is dead. Town wins when Mafia dies, as it says in my role PM, and mafia wins when Mafia >/= everyone else

Fine, I'll concede none of those points (except doctor claim = scum) hold much substance, but what about what everyone else has against you?

Re: GOD DAMNIT CHAORE Mafia (A.k.a. Mafia RPG!) - Day 3
« Reply #388 on: February 21, 2011, 03:22:20 AM »
I don't really have an answer for that except that for the fact that my reread came about just before I started writing up my response to Bardiche. Again, I was dicked over by the fact that Bardiche hammered, and ended the day a good dozen or so hours before I expected it.
You referenced that you thought reVelske was scum in your first post in D2, which was before your response to Bardiche, so I don't believe that your reVelske case originated entirely from your re-read. What did you have on reVelske at the time of your first post D1?

Quote from: Golden PX
Like I stated, reV could have lied and sacrificed himself for town's good, but his damned principles apparently get in the way.
How do his principles make him scum, though? He has played by them across multiple games, it's not like they're a new excuse that he suddenly came up with to cover scummy actions (if you can call failing a gambit scummy in this case). I'm not understanding how what you said makes reVelske scum.

I don't have much to say about Pesco or K4U, honestly. Pesco has looked pretty townie to me all game, and while his content has not been super amazing, his attitude comes off as if he is acting in town's best interest. K4U I have trouble getting a read on, though I think she would be rather suspect if Zak flipped scum.

reV: What do you think of Zak now that he has made a post? You said you would need him to post before you could get a read on him, and now he has.

Re: GOD DAMNIT CHAORE Mafia (A.k.a. Mafia RPG!) - Day 3
« Reply #389 on: February 21, 2011, 03:50:33 AM »
You referenced that you thought reVelske was scum in your first post in D2, which was before your response to Bardiche, so I don't believe that your reVelske case originated entirely from your re-read. What did you have on reVelske at the time of your first post D1?

Quote from: Zakeri 25
-adding to a formed bandwagon
-substituting bad play for scum tells
Quote from: Zakeri 223
reVelske: I'd prefer it if you didn't wait until we clear the elephant from the room before telling us your case on Pesco and Bardiche. We lose nothing from discussing it now, but we waste time the other way around.

Granted, I should have voting for him in the post day 2. I don't know why I held off voting at all. Town or scum, I should have known better.