GOD DAMNIT CHAORE Mafia (A.k.a. Mafia RPG!) - GAME OVER, SCUM WIN.

[Bardiche]

You're at L-1. Do you honestly think you'll be NK'd?

[Chaore]

MODS: is there a statistical chance that the game could end within the next night phase? Will you announce when that chance comes up?

There is no chance the game will end in the next night phase. I will announce if Pseudo-Lylo occurs.

Vote Count- While I'm at it Edition

Golden PX- Golden PX, Pesco
iliekmudkips- Kitten4U, reVelske, Schezo
Zakeri- Bardiche
Not voting- Zakeri, iliekmudkips

With 8 alive, 5 votes are needed to lynch. Iliekmudkips is at L-2.The day ends in 25 hours!

[Kips McKipzerson]

There is no chance the game will end in the next night phase. I will announce if Pseudo-Lylo occurs.

Vote Count- While I'm at it Edition

Golden PX- Golden PX, Pesco
iliekmudkips- Kitten4U, reVelske, Schezo
Zakeri- Bardiche
Not voting- Zakeri

With 8 alive, 5 votes are needed to lynch. Iliekmudkips is at L-2.The day ends in 25 hours!

Excuse me, I'm not voting yet good sir.

[Pesco]

##Unvote
##Vote mudkips

GTFO of the game. Forever (this extends to postgame and future games)

[Kips McKipzerson]

No need to be so cruel about it.

[Pesco]

No need to play like an absolute derptard. This is just a courtesy for everyone else.

[PX]

Oh boy, I come back and kips is dead.

Well, i was thinking that he can't be jester, so either he's scum, or he's a bomb :V

Also, I have mod approval that I am unable to vote, and my vote counts on myself for the day.

And it's not Pseudo-Lylo since I have to reload after firing.

*Claiming Town Vigilante who killed Hourai last night*

[reVelske]

He's not dead, L1 atm. Bard miscounted.

And if it's not even MYLO, guess there's definitely a third party involved.

*still procrastinating on the thread re-read* It's 3:30AM and I really need sleep though. =_= As for Bard and Pesco, I do not have any more on them than what I had on Day One, and with and two nightkills, nothing's really changed, I could dig up some shit to add to my accusations but I highly doubt there would be anything of substance. Will set aside time for lunch time today to go through thread, but honestly, I much rather see someone hammering Kips and get things rolling, it's clear that the guy needs to die.

[reVelske]

I meant 2:30AM.

[PX]

Pesco: I clearly stated that I agreed with the votes on Conq. Other than that, I just wanted a lynch on Day 1. Is that really bad?

Bardiche: Has only bashed Kips while putting on a rather nice case on Zakeri. Meanwhile, you forgot this

Bard: I would like to know why Conqueror just got a clear from you.

Also, I'll have the mod prove that I can't vote

##Unvote
##Vote: Kittens4U

*Random vote that means nothing other than to prove I can't vote*

Guess we're waiting for Bardiche to hammer?

[PX]

MOD: Votecount, now

[Chaore]

Vote Count- Stop Voting Yourself, Stop Voting Yourself, Stop Voting Yourself edition.

Golden PX- Golden PX, Pesco
iliekmudkips- Kitten4U, reVelske, Schezo, Pesco
Zakeri- Bardiche
Not voting- Zakeri, iliekmudkips

With 8 alive, 5 votes are needed to lynch. Iliekmudkips is at L-1.The day ends in 22 hours!

[PX]

ありがとう

[Bardiche]

##UNVOTE
##VOTE: Mudkips

And now we can go back to scumhunting.

[Bardiche]

And that's a hammer, so please still your tongues and anger, sit back, put up a nice cup of tea and enjoy your night!

[Chaore]

Vote Count- IT'S SUPER EFFECTIVE Edition

Golden PX- Golden PX, Pesco
iliekmudkips- Kitten4U, reVelske, Schezo, Pesco, Bardiche
Zakeri- Bardiche
Not voting- Zakeri, iliekmudkips

Well today was quick. Let's try a bathtub this time!

...and after a quick tubbing, we've our next lynch. iliekmudkips was a Town Useless NPC, meaning he was completely and utterly useless. Well, except for getting lynched.

It is now NIGHT 2. This night will last 24 hours, send in your night actions or #NOACTION if you have the ability to.

[Chaore]

Let's check back at our body pile and see how it's grown!

Over night, Bardiche, Town Musicboxman was killed by having his music box forced down his throat! Brutal!

With 6 players alive, TOWN IS NOW IN LYL- wait what the hell is that a flying car.

...uh...okay, so, another development!

Huhwhat has returned to the game as Holywhat. I guess he really was Jesus.

So with 7 players alive, It takes 4 to lynch, And town is in Pseudo lylo. As such, this day will last 72 hours.

[Schezo]

Ok PX: Why in the bloody hell would any town vig not shoot kips the first chance you got, considering his awful day one play and how he hampered us and pretty much wasted a day and lynch?  That along with the stuff I said yesterday give me enough information to say you are scum.  Then in your claim post if you thought he was scum or a jester why didn't you shoot him?!  Both of those actions would have been protown and you obviously aren't showing any of that.

##Vote: Golden PX

[Kips McKipzerson]

God dammit chao-holywut.

[PX]

I didn't think he was a jester. I thought he was a fucking bomb. And killing the bomb would be suicide.
Reasons for killing Hourai:
He was not seriously scumhunting at all. Thus, he looked suspicious to me. Also, killing him would force me to step up my own game since I would have started with a new slate.

Zak: I didn't kill you because I thought someone was going to kill you. Anyways, you haven't answered to Bard's case.

Hey Zak, let's continue where we left off!

My case D1 was apparently not obvious, so let me make it obvious.

Kitten4u had an interpretation of someone's actions.
You interpreted them differently.
You stated Kitten4u had to adjust their interpretations because you had your own, which while not explicitly stated were presented as being somehow better. We all see people's actions differently, there's no reason you should tell someone they're wrong when they can have a wholly different (and in my eyes, reasonable) interpretation of actions.

It's not that I didn't want to vote Mudkips because I'd rather "vote someone who can scumhunt". I just think Kips isn't worth lynching because I assumed the mod would deal with the troll, but since they have not, our only option rests in dealing with it ourselves, it seems. I like to think problems of that scale will be resolved without handicapping town, but since we've been given this handicap, the only thing we can do is really, well, yeah, deal with it.

That you contorted my words to be "vote someone who can scumhunt in lieu of someone who can't" can very well be said it's due to "paranoid town". But it could also be deceitful scum, and my interpretation happens to view it that way.

Pray tell, why would no one kill you because "something else would kill you"?

Additionally, you are the only person in this entire game who has not given a single opinion on kips.

##Vote: Zakeri

[WHMZakeri]

PX: Why did you choose to kill Hourai last night?

Hey Zak, let's continue where we left off!

My case D1 was apparently not obvious, so let me make it obvious.

Kitten4u had an interpretation of someone's actions.
You interpreted them differently.
You stated Kitten4u had to adjust their interpretations because you had your own, which while not explicitly stated were presented as being somehow better. We all see people's actions differently, there's no reason you should tell someone they're wrong when they can have a wholly different (and in my eyes, reasonable) interpretation of actions.

It's not that I didn't want to vote Mudkips because I'd rather "vote someone who can scumhunt". I just think Kips isn't worth lynching because I assumed the mod would deal with the troll, but since they have not, our only option rests in dealing with it ourselves, it seems. I like to think problems of that scale will be resolved without handicapping town, but since we've been given this handicap, the only thing we can do is really, well, yeah, deal with it.

That you contorted my words to be "vote someone who can scumhunt in lieu of someone who can't" can very well be said it's due to "paranoid town". But it could also be deceitful scum, and my interpretation happens to view it that way.

Pray tell, why would no one kill you because "something else would kill you"?

Part of scumhunting is comparing interpretations of other people's with your own, and with the facts. There were no facts on day one, so I compared her interpretation with my own, and I felt hers was wrong, and should be worked upon. I was also put off by her steadfast aggression against Kips, to the point where she was asking people why he haven't lynched him yet. My interpretation also included Conqueror being scum, and other people defending Con and putting Kips as the obvious lynch over Conqueror. This was what made me suspicious of Kitten4u. I felt it was only natural to explain not only that I felt she was suspicious, but also the reason why I felt she was suspicious. In short, I was scumhunting as best I could on day one.

A Big part of scumhunting is trying to find, and point out people who are wrong in their accusations, because ultimately, that's what scum have to be if they want to win the game. It's only natural for people with different biases to argue with each other.

I'm not sure why I have to explain basic scumhunt theory to you of all people. I will admit that I was wrong about Conqueror, and that I was probably wrong about Kitten4u (Which is why I said my suspicion on her was somewhat dispelled earlier in the day). Of course, you can go ahead and throw this whole scumhunting theory right back at me, and say that since I was wrong about Conqueror that I am scum. Except you would be basically making the same mistake in voting me as I would have made if I had voted for K4u, in that it would require you to be assuming that K4u is town, and that Kips is mafia.

This is the reason why I initially made that contortion that you were voting me for scumhunting, because that's basically what I was doing. I was following the tactics explained in my theory above. the fact that that is the main reason why you are voting me put me off enough to make that comment. Yes, it was a stupid comment to make, but it was something I felt needed to be expressed.

Also, why are you adding that nightkill comment in your list of reasons? I don't know why people wouldn't kill me. That was just the silliest explanation I could think of.

fakeEdit: Cut by the entire god damn nightphase.

[WHMZakeri]

alright, finally got that out.

Firstly, in response to PX's claim about me not giving an opinion of Kips, feel free to use the fact that I defended Kips against Kitten's rage post as an implication for my true feelings towards him day one and day two.

we know with the vig active, we can currently survive a total of two town deaths. Additionally, we had a town bi-polar cop, which indicates he was technically the third scum. All signs point to there being two scum.

PX has claimed Vig, claimed shooting Hourai. Most of his early game consisted of hoisting a case on Hourai when he wasn't wanting to lynch Kips. his explanation for why he didn't shoot Kips works out. So far, no huge discrepencies. I find it unlikely PX is mafia aligned what with the Mylo at +3 villagers (meaning there could be three kills before next daybreak.)

K4u: You have posted almost nothing on anyone besides Kips. Even then, the mentions you made to other people were worded as "Why are you not voting Kips" as your main reason for suspicion. The only mention of other players that had nothing to do with Kips is a single point of defense against the case of reV, and a single point of support for the case on reV, in the same post, back to back, in passing. Post 223 for the curious. Now that Kips is out of the way, who do you plan on lynching next?

reVelske: Why in the whole wide universe did you ignore everyone and waste the rest of day 2? You said you had cases on Bardiche and Pesco. I want to see both of them. Including the one on Bardiche. I don't care that he's dead and town.

Schezo: You do not even exist. All I have written down in my notes is that you jump on the Conqueror lynch day one, then jump on the Kips lynch day 2, and now you've even borrowed Pesco's entire day 2 reasoning for voting PX. You're basically second on the list for now.

##Vote: reVelske

[reVelske]

reVelske: Why in the whole wide universe did you ignore everyone and waste the rest of day 2? You said you had cases on Bardiche and Pesco. I want to see both of them. Including the one on Bardiche. I don't care that he's dead and town.

Ignore? I didn't, read my last post.

Has been busy with Cosmic Break tourney preparation and office work, haven't really had the time to do the planned re-read, and I would be doing it lunch time today if I didn't forget my laptop charger at home and going waste my lunch going home to fetch that brick. so, I'm sorry, you'll just have to bear with the inactivity.

Regardless, there is very little to work off, we've wasted two days being distracted by kips (whom I was banking on being killed off on N1) and almost everyone went for conqueror on D1, there's simply nothing I'm comfortable bringing up until I've done a thorough re-read.

Buuut... in the mean time...

##Vote: Zakeri

I'd like to this Bard didn't just waste his entire game mis-targeting a townie, sure, that theory failed me two games ago, buuut... *shrugs* whatever.

And how can you be so sure the bi-polar cop counts as a scum? What is a bi-polar cop anyways? Surely it could be an insane cop or a cop with paranoid gun owner role for all we know?

So what does Chaore mean by "pseudo LYLO"? And judging from Chaore's post, we would've been LYLO if Jesus did not revive (6 players), surely that means we have only 2 scums? Otherwise it would've been MYLO instead?

[reVelske]

"I'd like to this think Bard didn't..."

"surely that means we have only 2 scums and a 3rd party?"

[Pesco]

It's possible that Chaore simply can't count :V

Post coming up.

[WHMZakeri]

Ahh, it took me a while, but I finally found to post where you followed through with your discussion on the Pesco and Bard cases you proposed.

As for Bard and Pesco, I do not have any more on them than what I had on Day One, and with and two nightkills, nothing's really changed,

Okay, so your cases on them were exactly the same as your cases all the way back on day one. Well, let's take a look.

##UNVOTE: kips

*whistles and looks about*

##VOTE: PESCO

YOU! You got the face of someone who's ready to be lynched on day one! Submit to your fate!

Trying a little too hard to build your pro-town image at the expense of a derpy player?

#UNVOTE
#VOTE Bardiche

...

Heavy lurker. Attempts to withhold opinions on other players. Provides excuses for lack of analysis. Almost no useful opinions,

I'd like to this Bard didn't just waste his entire game mis-targeting a townie, sure, that theory failed me two games ago, buuut... *shrugs* whatever.

committing bad play while acknowledging it is bad play.

Are you honestly so useless that you have to hold onto a case that never grew past the fact that it was made in the middle of day one? What in the world is wrong with wagon analysis? We have two lynched townies, you could at least narrow the results down to "People with bad or unprovided reasoning for joining the Conq and Kips wagons." At the very least, start attempting to play the game.

If there's a third party, chances are it would be PX, and I would rather save the serial killer for a later lynch at this point. I'm sure whatever his win condition is, it can only be fulfilled by hitting a mafioso tonight.

[Pesco]

I didn't think he was a jester. I thought he was a fucking bomb. And killing the bomb would be suicide.
Reasons for killing Hourai:
He was not seriously scumhunting at all. Thus, he looked suspicious to me. Also, killing him would force me to step up my own game since I would have started with a new slate.

Zak: I didn't kill you because I thought someone was going to kill you. Anyways, you haven't answered to Bard's case.

Additionally, you are the only person in this entire game who has not given a single opinion on kips.

##Vote: Zakeri

I believe the trade-off of yourself dying to take out the derptard would have been perfectly acceptable seeing as you hadn't contributed much anyway.

Your reasons for killing Hourai are scummy. He was scumhunting more actively than me. And you have basically told us that you killed him so that he doesn't press a case on you. U so town :colonveeplusalpha:

Zak did present a stance on kips, That was day 1 where he said kips would suck even as the info lynch.

I'm not sure why I have to explain basic scumhunt theory to you of all people. I will admit that I was wrong about Conqueror, and that I was probably wrong about Kitten4u (Which is why I said my suspicion on her was somewhat dispelled earlier in the day). Of course, you can go ahead and throw this whole scumhunting theory right back at me, and say that since I was wrong about Conqueror that I am scum. Except you would be basically making the same mistake in voting me as I would have made if I had voted for K4u, in that it would require you to be assuming that K4u is town, and that Kips is mafia.

WaffleFOM much? I don't clear you but I find myself agreeing with your next post.

And on that, no clear for my cat either since she has yet to present a new case.

reV: I know you're experienced and surely you can do much better than that, otherwise you're clearly scum. Sucks to have your own reason turned against you doesn't it?

Schezo is pretty meh and PX is the same shit as yesterday.

If I'm reading the flavour right, I think Holywhat, as god, might be the only one that can damn Chaore and win the game for us :V. I was suspicious of him returning to the game as town, but if he does bring us out of LyLo, then at worst he's a survivor type.

Every one of you derps look like scum damnitChaore

##Vote Zak
I'm going to speculate the NK and you're going to :dealwithit:
Scum don't NK the people who are eager to lynch not-scum. Zak knows me well enough to call that I bluffed vig on Day 1.

[Chaore]

Vote Count- I am never wrong you jerks edition ;A;

Golden PX- Schezo
Zakeri- Pesco, reVelske, Golden PX
reVelske- Zakeri
Not Voting: Kitten4U, Holywhat.

Zakeri is at L-1. The day has 63 more hours left in it.

With 7 alive, it takes 4 to lynch.

[WHMZakeri]

Standard L-1 Procedure:

Scum as in order:

1. reVelske - Explained above.
2. Schezo - Bandwagons without prejudice, or presence
3. Kitten4u - Only one case ever, and it was on a townie
4. PX - prob, Serial Killer
5. Pesco - built and started several wagons with decent reasoning.

Role claim: Vanilla town.

May the holy grace, huh what, shine his belligerence of justice upon you all.

Kips, this is all your fault. I hope you know that.

[reVelske]

There, I spent my precious office hour to re-read the thread, I hate love hate love fuck you all.

Firstly. ##UNVOTE

Because I'm a sucker for roleclaims.

Nothing on Kitten, fuck all, she's like an Affinity all over again. Constructive but infrequent posts, but nothing that clears her and nothing that incriminates her.

---

As for Pesco...

reV: I know you're experienced and surely you can do much better than that, otherwise you're clearly scum. Sucks to have your own reason turned against you doesn't it?

You got more time than me, and besides, I'm "experienced" in playing games where a single day lasts a week or more and scums are all nubs, not this, I need my metas to read off and I don't have enough of those around here still, and I'm too lazy to re-read old games.

And Zakeri, I did post a little elaboration on my Pesco-suspicion, no need to only quote the joke explanation.

Regardless, still getting bad vibes from Pesco, not only do his posts contain a little too much kidding-around for my likings, he spent the entire D1 attacking Conqueror, how he refrained from attacking the lurkers (myself included) came off a little odd. Sure, he explained himself with this post:

There's just honestly nothing of note to really say on the other people. At most I can only say Schezo and PX aren't very memorable and rev is a jerk should post more himself instead of being a hypocrit.

Yet he made no attempt to pressure them to be less unmemorable.

---

PX is cleared on my book with the roleclaim, and attacking Hourai early D1 then killing him off in the night? Seem vig enough.

---

And Schezo, ooooh Schezo...

Regardless, it's obvious PX is not getting lynched over Conqueror at this point, but I'm still finding his behavior rather irksome and it doesn't help that people seem to be forgetting he exists. Comments?

I forgot he existed as well.

Now onto PX: Wow, I forgot he existed, hmm.

Anyway, what the heck am I reading?  Sifting through all this is giving me a headache.

So anyways, this game is such a headache to read.

I just love his parroting.

A lot less neutral than his previous game, a lot more conviction and initiative with his start-game targets, but when the game really got going, the parroting began once again. Bashed kips hard when it was fashionable, jumped on Conqueror when that got fashionable. Conclusion? Suspect.

So in other words.

YOU ARE ALL FUCKING SCUM AND MUST DIE, I ALONE AM THE BEST.

No, I dunno, I hate this, the D1 wagon hardly has anything to read off, D2 is a write-off, sooo... I dunno.

Then again, hold on, say if there are 2 scum 1 3rd-party, and if I am to rely on PX and Zak's roleclaims then...

Pesco+Schezo+Kitten can die.

##VOTE: Pesco

Kill scum's mastermind, nice explanation on scum's nightkill reasoning earlier on btw.