東方封魔録～ the Story of Eastern Wonderland

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Karisa:
OK, assuming I counted correctly and you collect no large power items other than the one from the death, a death costs 434920-486080 for 43-47 power items collected below 12800 (it takes the large item plus 6 small items to reach full power again, then the 7th is still worth 10, the 8th 20, and so on, and yes 11500 is skipped), plus a bit more from the stage clear bonus if not on stage 5. So I think you'd need to gain at least 500,000 or so from 3 additional bombs for an intentional death to be worth it before the end. (Multiply all of these values by the difficulty multiplier if not playing Easy or Normal.)

Regardless, it seems it's still worth suiciding for point items during Mima's final phase, after she's dropped all her power items, since at that point it won't cost you anything unless you game over. It may also be worth suiciding at the very beginning for a free large power item, if you don't need the life later.

By the way, unlike the other Touhou games, this game actually gives you a bonus for reducing the number of starting lives (instead of just a penalty for increasing it)... which, for once, makes me disappointed that the Touhou scoring standard is to only accept scores that use default resources.

As for Marisa dropping large power items: It's happened to me a few times. I think they may appear after destroying a certain number of her familiars (similar to how some large power items in LLS, MS, and early-game EoSD appear after defeating enough enemies instead of always from the same enemy), but that's just a guess.

Zil:
Easy - Reimu A
Zil - 15,363,150 - C - Screenshot

Easy - Reimu B
Zil - 15,767,600 - C - Screenshot

Normal - Reimu B
Zil - 14,827,340 - C - Screenshot

Yeah, I don't think it's worth it on the low difficulties. It's easy enough to get the items that you don't need to suicide for bombs. You get quite a bit anyway. That's what I did for these runs, with two suicides right at the beginning for point and power items, as well as maxing out the bomb stock. Then I suicide down to the last life against Mima after getting her power items.

And yeah, I've never seen Marisa drop more than one power item, though maybe, if you're careful to shoot her as little as possible and just destroy as many familiars as possible, you might get a few more. I doubt that's any significant source of points, but if you were super patient, and could dodge everything flawlessly, I wonder just how many might be possible. Unless the fight just ends after a while, then you couldn't do that.

Shimatora:

--- Quote from: Zil on November 09, 2012, 08:09:13 AM ---Easy - Reimu A
Zil - 15,363,150 - C - Screenshot

Easy - Reimu B
Zil - 15,767,600 - C - Screenshot

Normal - Reimu B
Zil - 14,827,340 - C - Screenshot

Yeah, I don't think it's worth it on the low difficulties. It's easy enough to get the items that you don't need to suicide for bombs. You get quite a bit anyway. That's what I did for these runs, with two suicides right at the beginning for point and power items, as well as maxing out the bomb stock. Then I suicide down to the last life against Mima after getting her power items.

And yeah, I've never seen Marisa drop more than one power item, though maybe, if you're careful to shoot her as little as possible and just destroy as many familiars as possible, you might get a few more. I doubt that's any significant source of points, but if you were super patient, and could dodge everything flawlessly, I wonder just how many might be possible. Unless the fight just ends after a while, then you couldn't do that.

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I consistently get 2 or 3 from Marisa, but that's about it.

Zil:
Hard - Reimu A
Zil - 18,305,260 - C - Screenshot

So I guess I'd never actually played Hard mode before. I was expecting suicide bullets, but apparently that's just a Lunatic thing. The difference in difficulty between this and Normal is still pretty dramatic though. Some parts were even more difficult than the Lunatic version, I think. The bosses start getting really cheap.

--- Quote from: Shimatora on November 09, 2012, 11:16:18 AM ---I consistently get 2 or 3 from Marisa, but that's about it.

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I didn't get any in this run. I think it may just be a random chance, like with the bomb items. Or maybe it depends on power level. I don't think I ever got one while at full power, actually.

Karisa:

--- Quote from: Zil on November 10, 2012, 12:36:38 AM ---So I guess I'd never actually played Hard mode before. I was expecting suicide bullets, but apparently that's just a Lunatic thing. The difference in difficulty between this and Normal is still pretty dramatic though. Some parts were even more difficult than the Lunatic version, I think. The bosses start getting really cheap.
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As far as I can tell, SoEW Hard and Lunatic are identical other than the revenge bullets and scoring (meaning there's actually no change in the bosses). If Hard seemed more difficult than Lunatic somewhere, it was likely due to rank being higher from easier stage portions.

Easy - ReimuB
Karisa - 16,912,020 - C - Replay

Also a scoring video because I don't think there are any for this game yet. See the video description for my comments. How do my strategies compare with yours, Zil?

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