Author Topic: Touhou Despair Thread - Endless 8  (Read 151755 times)

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Re: Touhou Despair Thread - Endless 8
« Reply #570 on: August 25, 2010, 12:45:05 AM »
glimmering depths are also terrible if you don't know the trick

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Re: Touhou Despair Thread - Endless 8
« Reply #571 on: August 25, 2010, 12:45:16 AM »
it's still a bunch of claustrophobic shit which I autobomb

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Re: Touhou Despair Thread - Endless 8
« Reply #572 on: August 25, 2010, 12:47:05 AM »
So has anyone timed out Kanako's opener? I can only capture it maybe 1/2 the time.

Re: Touhou Despair Thread - Endless 8
« Reply #573 on: August 25, 2010, 12:58:23 AM »
I think the best someone has is 2DNB. That thing would be harder to time out than VoWG is.

I've only ever captured Kanako's opener once, with 2 double KO 1DNBs of it.

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Re: Touhou Despair Thread - Endless 8
« Reply #574 on: August 25, 2010, 02:27:34 AM »
Wow, Mokou is fun to fight.

But Keine can still go to hell.


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Re: Touhou Despair Thread - Endless 8
« Reply #575 on: August 25, 2010, 03:09:54 AM »
Ex-Keine's first and third cards are super easy, once you get into a set pattern. The second card is not too bad.

Here's what I do on her first card: For the first wave, stay exactly in the middle, on the very bottom (above the "e" in the Enemy marker). That automatically avoids all the blue bullets. Slowly move to the side once the red bullets come at you. Second wave: Do the exact same, except stay slightly off of centre (so, say, above the "n" or "m" in the Enemy marker). And then it repeats.

Third card: Starting at the very bottom in the middle, you can do the entire card without vertical movement. Just slowly move to the side once the red bullets come at you, and move back to middle when they're past. Every wave is the same.

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Re: Touhou Despair Thread - Endless 8
« Reply #576 on: August 25, 2010, 03:25:25 AM »
I have a 10/140 on (Medoteko) or so

u trollin again

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Re: Touhou Despair Thread - Endless 8
« Reply #577 on: August 25, 2010, 03:27:10 AM »
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Ex-Keine's first and third cards are super easy, once you get into a set pattern. The second card is not too bad.

Here's what I do on her first card: For the first wave, stay exactly in the middle, on the very bottom (above the "e" in the Enemy marker). That automatically avoids all the blue bullets. Slowly move to the side once the red bullets come at you. Second wave: Do the exact same, except stay slightly off of centre (so, say, above the "n" or "m" in the Enemy marker). And then it repeats.

Third card: Starting at the very bottom in the middle, you can do the entire card without vertical movement. Just slowly move to the side once the red bullets come at you, and move back to middle when they're past. Every wave is the same.
Hmm, thanks. I'll try this.
Thank God for Spell Practi- wait, can you do EX Stage cards without having captured them?
Huh.

I actually found her second card to be by far the easiest, although that isn't saying much. It's the only one that only requires one bomb from me :(
Card 1 (I haven't patched it.): 0 / 11
Card 2: 0 / 9
Card 3: 0 / 8

Mokou's Card 1: 0 / 2
Mokou's Card 2: 0 / 1
Mokou's Card 3: 0 / 0

As for Mokou herself, I have yet to fail on her first non-spell, but her first card almost always gets me. It's almost always either one life, or one bomb.
Her second nonspell isn't bad. I liked it. Died once.
Her second card is heck though. I always get hit by those pheonix formations and on the rare occasions that I don't it's those STATIC, UNMOVING knives that just sit there. Urgh, I have a bad taste in my mouth from the memory.
« Last Edit: August 25, 2010, 03:30:30 AM by Mister Sanity »


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Re: Touhou Despair Thread - Endless 8
« Reply #578 on: August 25, 2010, 04:24:35 AM »
What do I have to do to convince myself to stop fucking playing when I grow tired? Bang my head on the table when my reflexes go to hell? Bite a chunk off the wall when I can't keep track of my movements?

I have a 10/140 on that or so
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Re: Touhou Despair Thread - Endless 8
« Reply #579 on: August 25, 2010, 05:16:18 AM »
For Ex-Keine 1st and 3rd card, you can also just stream and weave through the bullets at the same time.
1st: http://replays.gensokyou.org/download.php?id=9989
3rd: http://replays.gensokyou.org/download.php?id=9990

It might be a good way to capture if you have trouble landing in the safespot.
The 2nd wave of the 1st card requires a bit of micro memorization in a couple of spots though.
This method also has the down side of prolonging the card, and the forward focus shot types will time it out.
So, only use it if you are Reimu/Yukari/Remillia/Yuyuko

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Re: Touhou Despair Thread - Endless 8
« Reply #580 on: August 25, 2010, 05:39:58 AM »
What.

Please don't do that. Both waves of the first card are ridiculously easy if you know where to start. The third card can be micromemorized but it can be done easily with pure reading. The human and youkai patterns are slightly different. (As human, the bullets travel the same path, just faster.) I am almost always youkai when I do those, but the exact same techniques work as human too. (Third card as human I just sightread first try.)

I intentionally chose some weak shot types for these, just to demonstrate.
First card: Youkai / Human
Third card: Youkai / Human

Don't worry if you have trouble with Mokou's first card; it's one of her hardest. (As with any Extra boss, Mokou is pretty much all memorization though. The only cards you could reasonably be expected to capture upon first seeing them are Flaw of Forgiving Shrine and Phoenix's Tail. The former is easy; the latter is harder but it's pure dodging, so memorization doesn't help.) Here's a replay of how I do it with Reimu&Yukari. Staying up high at the start makes dodging the red knives easy. Move back when things get tough up high; usually you can go behind two rows of knives or so. Yukari kills it fast enough that it doesn't get tricky. (I have no tips for when it takes longer.)

For Flying Phoenix (see here to see the spellcard names I'm talking about), you need to misdirect the phoenixes so that you always have a path. You should never have to even get close to the phoenixes or the static bullets they leave behind. Here is how I dodge it, but it's not the only way.

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Ugh, why can't I capture Source of Rains today? I could do it probably 75% of the time last night, but after nearly 10 attempts today I haven't captured it once. And it's not like I've gotten worse; I am faring much better at VoWG today than I was yesterday. What the hell.

« Last Edit: August 25, 2010, 06:14:24 AM by Nereid »

Re: Touhou Despair Thread - Endless 8
« Reply #581 on: August 25, 2010, 06:38:46 AM »
Trauma in the Glimmering Depths is easier.

Not really. I am not sure if it realistic to capture without memorizing how to do it but its just one single spot you need to remember. Still, until you find that spot its pretty tough. Medoteko is easy no matter how you put it. That is after you realize that all the amulets are aimed.

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Re: Touhou Despair Thread - Endless 8
« Reply #582 on: August 25, 2010, 08:08:24 AM »
I think the best someone has is 2DNB. That thing would be harder to time out than VoWG is.

eh, not really

also, on that run i failed every single spell card except yamato torus.

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Re: Touhou Despair Thread - Endless 8
« Reply #583 on: August 25, 2010, 08:10:30 AM »
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Re: Touhou Despair Thread - Endless 8
« Reply #584 on: August 25, 2010, 08:12:16 AM »

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Re: Touhou Despair Thread - Endless 8
« Reply #585 on: August 25, 2010, 08:17:05 AM »

eh, not really

also, on that run i failed every single spell card except yamato torus.

H-how. No offense, but I was skeptical of the legitimacy of something from someone I've never seen around here, but you're the real deal! How do you do it so well? D:
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Re: Touhou Despair Thread - Endless 8
« Reply #586 on: August 25, 2010, 08:44:58 AM »
I've never played the lunatic version before (due to laziness of not wanting to credit feed and/or learn)
so I might be way off, but from what I observe in replays and my own experience in hard...

Due to the shape of those bullets and the way they are fired,
near the bottom they drift around quicker than perceived
just like the rice card (2nd), but many time faster in vertical speed.

So, either you have to look near the sprite to avoid misreads,
or you just have to train to not misread those bullets as vertical.

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Re: Touhou Despair Thread - Endless 8
« Reply #587 on: August 25, 2010, 08:53:50 AM »
I'm trying to beat Suwako, but every time I try, I always make stupid mistakes.  I've managed to do a somewhat decent job on all of her spell cards at least a few time, but the problem is, I'm inconsistent.  Every time I do something right in one part, I mess up horribly in another part.  Just earlier today, I got to her final spell card for the second time (seems to be one of the easier final Extra spell cards I've faced.  It's just a little nerve-wracking) with only one life and 2 bombs.  I survived until Suwako's health bar was about (estimation) 7/8ths of the way down.  If I can JUST eliminate, or even just reduce, my dumb mistakes, I'll finally be able to beat her.

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Re: Touhou Despair Thread - Endless 8
« Reply #588 on: August 25, 2010, 09:16:57 AM »
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Re: Touhou Despair Thread - Endless 8
« Reply #589 on: August 25, 2010, 09:23:31 AM »
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Re: Touhou Despair Thread - Endless 8
« Reply #590 on: August 25, 2010, 09:35:19 AM »
The fact I still haven't quite gotten out of the nasty habit of SLAMMING SIDEWAYS INTO SLOW MOVING BULLETS, which is particularly infuriating when it happens right at the end of a spell card :(

Re: Touhou Despair Thread - Endless 8
« Reply #591 on: August 25, 2010, 09:57:22 AM »
So has anyone timed out Kanako's opener? I can only capture it maybe 1/2 the time.

I have thought of attempting it numerous times but i have never attempted it. Still, it would be pretty hard.

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Re: Touhou Despair Thread - Endless 8
« Reply #592 on: August 25, 2010, 10:39:38 AM »
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Re: Touhou Despair Thread - Endless 8
« Reply #593 on: August 25, 2010, 11:16:55 AM »
Don't make me do that. :V :V :V

Just any shmup that isn't Touhou should do.

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Re: Touhou Despair Thread - Endless 8
« Reply #594 on: August 25, 2010, 12:26:30 PM »
Thunder Force III & IV are shining examples. :smug:

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Re: Touhou Despair Thread - Endless 8
« Reply #595 on: August 25, 2010, 01:20:49 PM »
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Re: Touhou Despair Thread - Endless 8
« Reply #596 on: August 25, 2010, 02:51:38 PM »
Just ran a Recovery on the computer.

Realized I forgot to backup my StB, DS, and GFW score.dats.

There went my progress on those games.

At least I remembered to back up everything else from EoSD- UFO.

Re: Touhou Despair Thread - Endless 8
« Reply #597 on: August 25, 2010, 04:30:02 PM »
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Yeah! Dimahoo is a fun game. I haven't made it past Stage 5 though... oh and seriously Banana, i don't understand your VoWG capture rate. I mean, you are a good shmup player and VoWG just seems like one of those cards you would be good at. But looking at your other capture rates i'd estimate that its just Kanako who hates you.

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Re: Touhou Despair Thread - Endless 8
« Reply #598 on: August 25, 2010, 06:21:55 PM »
Die to Kogasa, Stage 3 owns most of my lives, game over on Murasa's survival card.


Have fun doing everything again! >:D

I don't think I'm going to bother. I could use a score.dat for Fairy Wars though so I don't have to 1cc 6 it 6 more times.


Edit: I completely fail. Derpy as hell run. I died to Nazrin on Stage 1. I bombed twice on stage 2 before the midboss, died twice on stage 2, died 3 times on Stage 3.



Needless to say I game overed on the opener.
« Last Edit: August 25, 2010, 08:46:21 PM by Phoenixma »

Re: Touhou Despair Thread - Endless 8
« Reply #599 on: August 25, 2010, 08:48:51 PM »
I don't think I'm going to bother. I could use a score.dat for Fairy Wars though so I don't have to 1cc 6 it 6 more times.

I don't think i would either if i lost my score.dat
and here is one for fairywars:
http://www.mediafire.com/?5jbcoc4d8bazcd7