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| Kilgamayan:
Oh, I'm stupid, Alex's vote was on VSM in that game from the early phase, so I don't even get to use that as an example. |
| Kilgamayan:
Multi-post drifting wheee Actually, I'm going to pull a couple of quotes from that whole thing, because even if it's very possibly Alex would have snaphammered VSM for survival if he was in the position to do so, the sentiment is what I find more important. Editor's Notes: Queen Lizzie is Alex, Ned Flanders is VSM, Excel is not Excal, Khan is irrelevant to the issue. --- Quote from: Excel ---I'm gonna say this quickly, I'm leaving my vote on the Queen 'cos this is a revolution! Off with her head *sharpens ax* That do-gooder Ned is also deserving, but the Queen is full of crap! --- Quote from: Queen Elizabeth I ---Flanders and Khan are posting detailed and thoughtful arguments. --- End quote --- That's not useful, one of you has to die! You should be trying to convince us that it should be Ned - otherwise it's you that will hang. If you're a good towny then the only person you know is town is you! So you should be trying to save yourself! Telling us that Ned is towny goes against your own townyness right now because this is sudden death. You should be trying to protect yourself especially if you have a power role which can be put to good use. Supporting anything other than a Ned lynch right now shows that you aren't 100% behind your own townyness. --- End quote --- --- Quote from: Queen Elizabeth I ---No. Being a good townie means I want town to win. I realize I screwed up very badly by dropping out of most of the day, and in this particular situation I think it's very possible Ned living would be much better for town than me living. Of course I can't be 100% sure on him being town, but saying I think he's scum would be a lie. I think he's more likely to be scum than I am, and I'm sure not going to be self-hammering, but at this point I think being honest about my opinions is the best I can do to help town. --- End quote --- |
| Serp:
If you think the other SD candidate is more townie than most, and you think he'd have a better shot of surviving tomorrow than you would, then it certainly is pro-town to surrender your life for the cause. Though, if someone were to self-righteously say "Oh, please lynch me, it's the only way!" without providing reasoning for sincerely believing the above, I'd peg him as scum going for all-or-nothing towncred. |
| Excal:
I'd comment further, but I've done a few things where I've refused survival votes because I felt pretty sure they were Town. So... yeah. That's an ideal, one that's especially useful when both folks in the SD are already voting for each other, or where you don't have to worry about sudden survival lynch. But, I can't see it as overtly scummy when the other guy also has his vote free to swing at you. |
| Kilgamayan:
Right. I must admit I can't remember a single instance where a game hit Sudden Death and neither participant had their vote on the other, but in thinking about it now I believe striving for the "ideal" (if one can even call it that; I'm hardly a Mafia Bible) is pretty much impossible because SOMEONE is going to cave and snapvote the other guy out of survival, and everyone else will be expecting this, so it can't ring as a scumtell. However, I do at least hope that, when a townie is in sudden death and the other guy's vote is on them but their vote is elsewhere, they stay calm and try to reason things out for the good of the town (speaking of Anonyrandom, Excal did exactly this on Day 2 when up against Bardyagi) instead of snapping to NOT ME OVER ME. |
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