MotK Emblem (FE hack) - HELP NEEDED INQUIRE WITHIN

[Rikter]

Poison weaponry is usually enemy-only and it's more of a nuisance than anything else, but why get rid of it?

It free's up more item slots for weaponry

[Nobu]

My character is missing from the OP list, that might affect your numbers a little bit.

[GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em]

I like party-usable poison weapons. They're fun.

Oooh, what are the odds of making a magic spell that poisons? I know it's possible to do.

Is anyone hugely opposed to removing the class specific Promotion items and limiting it to a single item such as Master's Seal?

If you do that, you had better make the seals be really common.

[Rikter]

Meh heres a quick list of stuff we might be able to remove/Change

Poison Weapons - 4
Emblem Weapons - 4
Uber Spear
7 Promotion items
Mine
Rapier?/Wolf Beil?
Durandal?/Armads?

[E-Nazrin]

It'd also be possible to make the poison weapons not suck, if that's an issue, or have it be a semi-trivial added property to a certain (type of) special/unique weapon - my first idea about the E-mouse Assassin promote item thing was to bring out samples of some sort of deadly poison, assuming something like that was used for Assassin promotion. Changing that reward to a unique or earlier-in-the-game-than-it-should-be poisoned sword (or several of them!) would keep that theme, justify a poison weapon, and work regardless of the temptation to unify the promotion seal collection.

I'm afraid I'm not eager to budge on my self-insert's character type and stats (well, maybe a base SPD and 5% to put elsewhere or for that extra MOV), but I could throw in an OC-like tanky character or two, if that's wanted... how many playables are there to work with, typically, and how close are we to that number?

[trancehime]

FE7 has 42 playables

We are currently at 38.

[Rikter]

As for bonus move that seems very iffy and it seems somewhat unlikely to be added because i'm unsure of how many classes need to be edited and there would need to be a second theif class to accomadate bonus movement due to how the game is programmed.

[E-Nazrin]

Oh, it IS more hardcoded than just a number on the stat block? Damn, alright, forget that idea.

But yeah, it'd probably be best to change a few if we can manage it.

[Serela]

What if I /in'd as a Dancer with tanky growth rates to help out with lack of tanky people since I don't want to be manly fighter? :V Like 90/0/0/50/10/80/80. Or 75/75 on the last two if I can't have zeros for STR/SKL. Man, so many points to use since Dancer doesn't need two of the stats...

I've never played FE before so I'm like ":derp:" but I'm interested and read through a wiki about it a bit.

[Rikter]

Oh, it IS more hardcoded than just a number on the stat block? Damn, alright, forget that idea.

But yeah, it'd probably be best to change a few if we can manage it.

Move is the only bast that doesn't seem to be feely editable from the bases in unit data (For when characters join) However i'll take another look through the data before I give a final say.

EDIT: Base move is only editable by class (not by character) and we should only add in a second theif class with the move +1 once we figure out what map/Dummy classes we'll need for cutscenes. (Or we could potenially use a custom class slot which I totally forgot the game had room for)

EDIT2: remembered some classes aren't used in FE7 or are uneeded like several female varients and Limmestela Sage. We can add +1 move Theif if Trance Approves.

[MediumSoda]

Okay since we now have 2 more priests (awww) and 4 other mages, Sparkleh and I will change our classes to Myrmidon and Mercenary. Give us a while and we'll make some new characters and stats.

Is anyone hugely opposed to removing the class specific Promotion items and limiting it to a single item such as Master's Seal?

I was actually hoping for that. Since we're gonna be in the game, who honestly won't make they're own character their strongest? So that way people who are Peg. Knights, or whoever, won't have to wait till they get an Elysium Whip, while a Guiding Ring is 5 chapters earlier.

[trancehime]

What if I /in'd as a Dancer with tanky growth rates to help out with lack of tanky people since I don't want to be manly fighter? :V Like 90/0/0/50/10/80/80. Or 75/75 on the last two if I can't have zeros for STR/SKL. Man, so many points to use since Dancer doesn't need two of the stats...

I've never played FE before so I'm like ":derp:" but I'm interested and read through a wiki about it a bit.

I'm already a Dancer with super tank stats :V

Did you not notice

[Rikter]

Oh About +move theif

01[21:52] <@Rikter> Also Trance I wan't to know your stances on +1 move theif for E-mouse
[21:52] <@EthlinHime> I'm quite fine with it.
[21:53] <@EthlinHime> Encouraging more thief use is awesome and a good thing
01[21:53] <@Rikter> Well the way I see it should be that Chaore makes a superior Assassin while E-Mouse makes a better thief for utility stat wise
[21:54] <Chaore> Yeah I'm obviously more battle-based rather than 'lol open chests'
[21:54] <Chaore> E-mouse is meant to replace me while I'm kicking ass.
[21:54] <Chaore> :V

[Serela]

I'm already a Dancer with super tank stats :V

But mine are even tankier since I killed my luck and lowered speed for 90% HP and 80% def/res D: I'm like, the dancing wall of stone draped in frilly lady scarves!

Well, I suppose could do something else, but there's already a whole bunch of the healing classes and mages and etc... way too many, apparently. And I don't really wanna be something physical. I suppose I could opt to be a bad guy instead, but that's so... err, bad-guy-ish! Being the evil guy tanky dancer wouldn't be too bad, though, I suppose :V

[trancehime]

But mine are even tankier since I killed my luck and lowered speed for 90% HP and 80% def/res D: I'm like, the dancing wall of stone draped in frilly lady scarves!

Well, I suppose could do something else, but there's already a whole bunch of the healing classes and mages and etc... way too many, apparently. And I don't really wanna be something physical. I suppose I could opt to be a bad guy instead, but that's so... err, bad-guy-ish! Being the evil guy tanky dancer wouldn't be too bad, though, I suppose :V

The point is there's only one Dancer in most FE games barring FE4 since that had children

And that Dancer is me and no one is going to take that away from me. :[

And I was supposed to be a Dancer that not only had tank stats, but can also dodge so good luck killing me ever :c

[Serela]

Oh, oh, but there's not any bards yet. God dammit does that mean I have to be male that works, since they're pretty much the same thing in FE7. Maybe 80/5/5/70/5/65/70. That's one unlucky bard :3

but I need to sleep so I'll just throw this stuff in the spreadsheet and finish tommorow

[Jana]

I was going to be the bard since the start, but with Trance as a dancer, we're still discussing it. If we decide to only have 1 dancer/bard, I can just go to a tankier class.

[trancehime]

I was going to be the bard since the start, but with Trance as a dancer, we're still discussing it. If we decide to only have 1 dancer/bard, I can just go to a tankier class.

Ye can be the Knight in Shining Armor :*

[Serela]

I just can't win, can I? :| brb seppuku

[Jana]

Ye can be the Knight in Shining Armor :*

Hey babe, doing anything tonight? :hairflip:
If we can make custom sprites for our armored units (or the other untis, for that matter), I could think of a few neat ways to make Iji!Jana a competent armor.

I just can't win, can I? :| brb seppuku

Sorry, mang. There was already trouble with two bards/dancers on the field at once. :\

[GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em]

Yeah uh I don't think we need 5 mages guys

btw, we should probably make some of the excess classes (clerics, monks, mages, wyverns) come as prepromotes. Note that Clerics become bishops as well, so we really have 5 bishops.

We could possibly turn one of the clerics into a Troubadour -> Valkyrie. Don't think we have any of those atm.

[trancehime]

Nope, we have a distinct lack of Troubadours.

We also have a distinct lack of Prepromotes.

Hmmmm.

[Alfred F. Jones]

RE: My stats, I can?t work on them now due to limited internet, so if Sana just wants to make them a carbon copy of Lyn?s starting stats I?m cool with that :V

[Edible]

GUYS HEY GUYS CAN I BE A DRAGON

[Fightest]

GUYS HEY GUYS CAN I BE A DRAGON

JOKE'S ON YOU, WE ALREADY HAVE ONE! :V

[Edible]

omg what no

[SparklehPanda]

Okay since we now have 2 more priests (awww) and 4 other mages, Sparkleh and I will change our classes to Myrmidon and Mercenary. Give us a while and we'll make some new characters and stats.

Alright, I can post in here now  Anyway, I be this Sparkleh person that Gofure is talking about that wants in. He's the Mercenary, I'm the Myrmidon. I would have posted before that I wanted to be involved in this, but I guess this thread has the same post lock as the avatars.

[E-Nazrin]

Oh About +move theif

Awesome. Probably best to clip the necessary stats from Skill and Luck, then, to make the distinction clear, assuming unlevelled thieves are worth keeping around. Maybe make the STR a little less abysmal to make it possible to pick off vulnerable targets?

And Edible is the optional dragon miniboss that gives you meat when defeated.

[Nobu]

I guess i'll bite the bullet and hop on over to Troubadour then. I was pretty much on the fence, and I think the only reason I went Cleric and not Troub was because of the sprite :V

[trancehime]

Alright

I have some sad news

As more and more people want in, I will be discussing with Sana and the others about whether more characters are possible to add, since we're already very close to the limit and there are a few people I definitely want in (Mode being one of them, she has specifically asked me courtesy of Vioalentia to be in this).