Things you Hate/Like about Touhou

[Bananamatic]

Streaming all the time isn't fun either.

PCB Stage 6, UFO Stage 4 :V
For re-streaming see SA Stage 4 and Stage 6.

And what is pixel-perfect streaming ?

Pixel perfect=every single bullet is perfectly aimed at your hitbox, meaning slight tapping will trivialize it entirely.

Non pixel perfect=while the bullets are aimed, there is a random factor which doesn't reduce streaming to simple tapping. Obviously, this is the more exciting one.

[ふねん1]

Note: all of the following assumes Banana isn't trolling us. :V

Another thing - Touhou is too slow with too dense patterns, which forces micromemorization and makes you go asleep.

Seems like you're trying to sound off your opinions as fact. I don't think I need to go on why this doesn't work.

Just getting further usually improves your personal record. Touhou requires completely changing your playing style. Scoring is 50% of shmup fun.

And simply getting further in Touhou can't possibly improve your score either? (this is assuming you're not switching playstyles between any two runs, of course) Think for a minute. End-of-stage bonuses, spellcard-related bonuses, the list goes on.

And as for the last sentence, you're making your opinions sound like facts again. There's nothing wrong with holding your own opinion (you are the one playing, after all), just don't assume everyone else will automatically agree with you.

[Azinth]

Touhou vs. Cave argument

UGH.

Lock thread and probate Bananamatic plz

[Goldom]

Like:
Everything about IN, maybe just because it was the first I played, but I much prefer its visual style and the use of two-character teams.
But it's lead me to

Dislike:
Things that are different in the others from IN.
Especially how spell practice isn't in any other game. Not only does it make it so much easier to learn attacks, but I love stats, so having records on the level that IN does is fun.

[Formless God]

Pixel perfect=every single bullet is perfectly aimed at your hitbox, meaning slight tapping will trivialize it entirely.

As far as I've seen nearly everything up to Stage 5 in DDP is like this :V

Non pixel perfect=while the bullets are aimed, there is a random factor which doesn't reduce streaming to simple tapping. Obviously, this is the more exciting one.

Post-midboss!Nazrin fairy spam, UFO Stage 6 and Extra are all non pixel perfect streaming sections.

[Bias Bus]

Like
-Shinki
-A few other characters
-Gensokyo (as in the places and mythology surrounding it)
-A few of the games

Hate
-Everything else

[Chainsaw Guitar]

Dislike:
Fighting games (I dislike the entire genre, and haven't given Touhou's a try, so put my opinion with tengu here)

Why is everybody here hating on the fightan genre so much? Maaaaaaaaan...

[Bananamatic]

UGH.

Lock thread and probate Bananamatic plz

If probation removes unfunny, I won't mind :V
Also, why lock AND probation? You could just probate me and leave it open.

It's not just Cave. It's shmups in general. Including Space Phallus.

scoring, let's see
safespot abuse graze milking, POC safespot abuse milking, suicidal graze milking
SA EXTREME bomb graze milking(seriously, watch the ReimuA world record)

which word have I just repeated 4 times
BOY OH BOY
now you have boss milk and STAGE MILK

UFO Extra are all non pixel perfect streaming sections.

UFO...maybe ZUN is really improving :V
So that's why I've spent so much time on UFO extra trying to get a good score. It's fun.

[Solais]

I don't really want to get into this, but Daifukkatsu Hibachi safespot.

[Tengukami]

UGH.

Lock thread and probate Bananamatic plz

I wouldn't like to see this thread locked, personally, but here again I say - if you have a problem with someone's post, report it. I can promise you I won't out anyone as the reporter. It's all anonymous.

Bananamatic has been warned about trolling before. And while tiresome, his bitching yet again about what he finds wrong with Touhou is relevant to this thread. I hope for his sake he doesn't test the limits.

[orinrin]

Love:
Nothing


Hate:
Nothing


Indifferent:
Everything

[Bananamatic]

wait

since when is seriously stating your opinion trolling
there are 50 better places to shitpost and cause 100x greater drama with 500% less effort anyways

I don't really want to get into this, but Daifukkatsu Hibachi safespot.

glitch/programming error. I wonder why it didn't get fixed yet, as the non black label one was updated. They are even slower than ZUN :V

[nintendonut888]

What I like about Touhou: The music, the characters, and the gameplay unique even among shmups (the only shmup I've ever played that comes close to being like it is Exceed 3rd BP). While great, all these would only be okay if they weren't blended together the way they are. Touhou is a rare game that both gives me a challenge that seems insurmountable yet is appealing enough to convince me to do it.

What I don't like: SA Much of the fanbase that doesn't fully appreciate such a great series (though to be fair this stereotype has been less prevalent in the last year). Still, one thing that does bug me is how certain people forget that Touhou is a game. It's not worth getting pissed off at others for being better at it than you are. As for the games themselves, clipdeath, PoFV, and Eirin. In no particular order. :V

since when is seriously stating your opinion trolling

It's trolling when you frequent a board with the sole intent to either bitch about how Touhou sucks (on a Touhou fansite) or tell people to play Dodonpachi instead.

[Ghaleon]

All this random stuff about other games scoring and challenge reminded me of another thing I like about Touhou:
It's not an arcade game. So it allows you stage practice, difficulty selection, etc. Imagine how fun learning the game would be if lunatic was the only difficulty and stage practice was not available, it would suck.

As donut said, it keeps your desire to improve to a level of mastery more than most other shmups, probably because you don't have to restart and do the WHOLE DAMN FRIGGIN GAME again over and over just because you suck at the 2nd last boss or whatever. I like hard games, but sometimes you just don't feel like sleeping thru the first few stages multiple times.

[Bananamatic]

It's trolling when you frequent a board with the sole intent to either bitch about how Touhou sucks (on a Touhou fansite) or tell people to play Dodonpachi instead.

Banned from CPMC and you don't frequent AA. Sole intent? :V

don't get me wrong, I like touhou but it could use improvements

And I don't mean that DDP thing seriously. You guys are being too serious :V

actually fuck this ban me

[ふねん1]

don't get me wrong, I like touhou but it could use improvements

As if anyone said Touhou was perfect in every way.

And I don't mean that DDP thing seriously. You guys are being too serious :V

Yous trollin' then? :V

Might as well stay on topic. This kind of falls under "programming errors" that I mentioned earlier, but I'd like to stress that inconsistent hitboxes are a cheap way of raising the difficulty. Some of the effects only feel pronounced enough if the bullet is going at a weird angle, but the fact that this exists at all is stupid.

[Gpop]

Banana should know that ZUN does this in his own spare time. He's not like some huge company that worries about what the fanbase wants and tries to make lots of money. He just makes the game he wants himself. If it's fun for him, it's good.

[Tengukami]

Why would you ask to be banned when you could just log out? I never understood that. Not that I want you gone, mind you. You're basically a decent guy when you're not trolling.

On topic: PoFV. Ugly danmaku, and it won't even run properly on my machine.

[Ghaleon]

Why would you ask to be banned when you could just log out? I never understood that. Not that I want you gone, mind you. You're basically a decent guy when you're not trolling.

I think it's pms.

I never understood the "ban me" mentality either.

[Azinth]

I think it's pms.

I never understood the "ban me" mentality either.

Because he thinks he's having his freedom of speech infringed on and wants to become a martyr in the name of his cause or some shit like that.

Oh yeah, on topic, on topic...

Over time, I've come to the conclusion that PCB and IN the best Touhou games. I'd probably say that SA and MoF are the worst as far as Windows goes, though they have a few parts that I enjoy.  Discuss

[Kinzo the Astro Curious]

hate : StB's melee style stages. and alices srs bulletspam in the early stages. I mean wtf alice.

Love : The atmosphere of the final bossfights. I would have just said PCB's bossfight, as that practically had me shed a tear to the emotion of the ending, and then I was thinking the intro byakuren gets is great when fires of hokkai starts up again to the sunrise, and then I remembered completing IN and that was pretty fantastic, so...

atmosphere is what sets it appart from everything else. That, and how it pulls you into that atmosphere through the shear fucking concentration :V

[RavenEngie]

Over time, I've come to the conclusion that PCB and IN the best Touhou games. I'd probably say that SA and MoF are the worst as far as Windows goes, though they have a few parts that I enjoy.  Discuss

PCB, agree. Others, disagree. (Apart from when you fight Kanako in MoF. STILL HAVEN'T 1CC'D IT YET! DX)

Of all the games released so far, PCB's been the one I've gone back to the most. It's just incredible. Hell, played it twice today.
IN, only part I play now is the Stage 6's, and Extra. :V
MoF : All great, apart from Granny. Maybe Sanae Stage 5 in general on the higher difficulties.
SA : Loved it. The music, settings and danmaku all fitted the characters perfectly.

And I know this has been said many times, but I just... Can't get into IaMP, SWR etc... They had a shot at it, I'll give them that... But Touhou's about the danmaku, for god's sake.
That said, StB and DS, I thought they were great, though...

hate : StB's melee style stages.

Agree completely. Meiling's and Youmu's cards completely befuddled me. Same with the ones in DS.

Love : The atmosphere of the final bossfights. I would have just said PCB's bossfight, as that practically had me shed a tear to the emotion of the ending, and then I was thinking the intro byakuren gets is great when fires of hokkai starts up again to the sunrise, and then I remembered completing IN and that was pretty fantastic, so...

atmosphere is what sets it appart from everything else. That, and how it pulls you into that atmosphere through the shear fucking concentration :V

This. Hell, sometimes I just play PCB all the way through to build up to that one point. :V

[Tengukami]

Very well put. I don't know how many times I've died because I'm spacing out watching the bullet patterns or getting into the song. Boss intros are always pretty neat. I did like Kaguya's, but my favorite moment in Imperishable Night is at Stage 4, when everything goes white, and then the moon appears. That's always enjoyable.

EDIT: I hate fighting Marisa though.

[Furienify]

Netherworld Team, Stage 6A.

Yuyuko
Oh, Youmu, now you get what I was saying?
Well then... First, be my shield.

Youmu
Affirmative.
I will be the hardest shield in all the Netherworld.

They'll always be my favourite team. The whole dialogue is a perfect example of how Yuyuko can really be- deceptively sharp and insightful, covering it up with a guise of whimsy, combined with Youmu's unwavering dedication to guard her. And if you time the music just right? Gives me shivers.

[Sen]

Likes:
Games, music, characters

Hates:
Bananamatic's trolling

[Tengukami]

Border Team or Magic Team for me. I love Reimu's attacks in Stage 4, and there's Master Spark. On the other hand, Border Team just annihilates this game, so if I can eek past Marisa, I'm good. Dialogue-wise I think Magic Team is more entertaining, too.

[Aisha]

The main thing I don't like about Touhou is that each game feels so derivative. This isn't necessarily a bad thing, but after so many games, I wouldn't mind seeing a different approach from ZUN. I'd like to see him scratch the score system formula that he has been using since the dawn of time and try something different, perhaps something to do with enemies or bullets. I want him to switch things up and deliver a different and fresh experience.

I also wouldn't mind seeing him take the next step forward and put a bit more into the stage backgrounds. Having different types of enemies that are integrated into the backgrounds (yes, like an arcade shooter) would bring so much more life into the stages and make them a lot more interesting. Currently I just find them so abstract and usually unmemorable. Stage 4 of MoF is one of my favorites in the series simply because it has enemies emerging out from behind a waterfall.

Then there are just the little things that I wish ZUN would do: being proactive about releasing patches to fix his shit, making more balanced shot-types, and having better-defined bullet hitboxes so you don't die when there's clearly a visible space between your hitbox and the bullet. Also, no more fucking additive blend.

Lastly, I don't like fanon. At all.

As for things I like, well, I like everything else. I enjoy ZUN's mythology and find the unique touch he has in putting his games together to be appealing.

[Matsuri]

First off, Mushihimesama is much less micromemorization than you think.

Anyway:

Like:
The music, like... a whole lot
Most of the patterns
Many of the characters
The stories that aren't stupid throwaway plots like most shmups
The colors~

Dislike:
Most of the scoring systems suck
If you're not playing Hard/Lunatic it's slow-paced and somewhat dull
Memes
Most of the fanbase (like, seriously. This is the only Touhou community that I've seen so far I actually like.)
In some of the latest games, some of the bullets glow and it's annoying as hell
Curvy lasers 

[TakerFoxx]

Likes:
Well, for starters the games are simple to learn, but are still difficult enough to merit great replay value and are great fun, even if I need to get over my ragequit tendencies.
The whole Gensokyo idea. I just like it. It's a fantasy world that's based on actual myths but has enough personality and quirks to stand on it's own. The rules are flexible to allow for all sorts of storytelling possibilities, but are still well-defined so it doesn't feel like something a third grader crapped out.
The characters are fun and endearing. I like how despite appearing to be classic Moeblobs, everyone's basically a big jerkass to each other and their first impulse upon meeting is to attack/insult/try to eat one another. Also, there's a nice blend between of lighthearted silliness and creepier dark stuff, like Flandre.
The music. Just...the music.
I'm gonna have to hand it to the fanon here. While it does get annoying when some people take it too far and get over-defensive, for the most part it's one of the cooler fanbases I've seen. All the artwork, fanfic/comics, music remixes, bands (damn, Cool&Create put on an awesome show), dances, fan games (I have got to get my hands on Touhou Mother and Touhoumon), fan vids, etc. are just plain awesome. And there is a nice sense of community that I appreciate.
I have to admit, I do like most of the memes, except when they're overused and/or pointless.
The fact that ZUN created this crazy franchise by himself, and that he's perfectly fine with all the fanworks. Also, his constant state of drunkenness is pretty amusing.

Dislikes:
The Yukkuri meme creeps the shit out of me.
Chen's uncanny ability to kill me in random spots every single game. At least have some consistency!
The porn. Dear God, the porn. It is single-handedly responsible for me engaging the safe search whenever I look up fanart.
The fact that the better I do at dodging is inversely proportional to my item collecting abilities.
The effin' Last Word in IN.
The crappy continue system in MoF. No, I don't want to do the whole freaking level over again!
The lack of decent t-shirts. I think I've seen maybe two designs I actually like.
That the Makaize anime stopped at one episode.
The inconsistency of the scoring system. Pick a way and stick with it!
The way it feeds my ragequit tendencies straight from the bottle.

[Naut]

Also, no more fucking additive blend.

In some of the latest games, some of the bullets glow and it's annoying as hell

Just poppin' in to say this is very unlikely, ZUN has been progressing more and more towards additive blending each consecutive game he makes. Very pretty, but unfortunately is a huge pain in the ass to dodge on Hard/Lunatic. Let's hope the more micrododgable patterns have some of the few alpha bullets in his arsenal?

Adding "musically synched stages" to my list of loved things in Touhou. Makes Touhou feel so much more organized when compared with other shmup games where they're just a clusterfuck of bullets thrown vaguely in your general direction with no rhyme or reason.