Hey, everybody! It's your pal Letty here to yell at the lot of you!

[Pako]

Okay, this is a thread where I just have to stop lurking and post again.

I, like MJP, am a non-IRCer and what I wanted to say about it has already been said by him.

I want to get to say something about you, Letty.
Yes, sometimes I got the feeling you are the dictator of these forums and hate everyone.
Yes, I hated you for the Myon-crisis.

But I got over it and do you know why?
Because I simply realised a person like you is needed for a place like this, a person who will clean up trash when needed and will hold peace and order. But we can't let you clean up everything and we as people from the community should work together to maintain this place.
And honestly Letty, I see you as the best mod around here and I find it very good you have posted this thread.

As for posting in other boards, you can count on me.
I needed and still need a hard break from CPMC.

Also, i will later come with a more worked out opinion, I can't think clearly at the moment and I am in a hurry.

[GMOFucker: Makin' GMOs To Fuck 'Em]

I'm usually too busy staring at your sig picture and thinking about Rhythm Tengoku.

...Is that good or bad?

[Matsuri]

...Is that good or bad?

Thinking about Rhythm Tengoku is never a bad thing.

[Letty Whiterock]

Thinking about Rhythm Tengoku is never a bad thing.

This, pretty much.

[Hello Purvis]

Thinking about Rhythm Tengoku is never a bad thing.

Agreements.

[Dead Princess Sakana]

*takes a deep breath*

All right, reading all this I'm actually kind of glad I missed the drama last night, but let me share my thoughts right now.
A lot of that may have been said before, but whatever:

First of all, making this thread was a wonderful thing, Letty.
The simple fact that you did this shows how much you care about the community.
I can see how you come over as a cold-hearted jerk to many people, but I also think it's easy to see beyond that.
But the fact that you are able to act out that jerk-role so consistently is what makes you so valuable as a mod.
It allows you to decide what's best for the community as the whole, and as I see it you're doing a good job with that.

Just noting the following to those who are sceptical: If Letty really hated CPMC, he could've made this thread outside of it, just to make CPMC look bad in front of the whole board, or make some major changes without talking to anyone.
And I'd like to say it might even have been justified.
But he didn't. Think about it.

Second, what already has been said, I also feel that the staff's work is highly under-appreciated.
It's a fact that this board is what it is because of two things: The staff and the community.
And those aren't two opposing fractions, the staff is recruited out of the community, not appointed from outside or something.
They are people that started out like everyone else and were at one point trusted with tasks that are harder and require a lot of responsibility.

It's sad to see how little the staff seems to be able to participate in the board itself.
I'd really love to see TSO, Letty and the rest taking part in the daily activities of MotK and not be treated different.
But that'll require a lot of us to change our ways of thinking about this board and the people on it (and I don't wanna exclude myself here).

As for the posting on boards besides CPMC, I really don't get why some people are so adamant about not doing that.
I welcome how the art threads have now become available for everyone, because they are one of the things that makes MotK (yes, MotK, not CPMC) really stand out for me, and it would be a shame to hide them from someone just because that someone is hesitant to post and gain access to CPMC.
Same goes for the whole Ijiyatsu-project.
I'll say that the things I have had most fun with on MotK up to now have not been in CPMC at all.
They were in the Addict's, UGW and the Fanworks'

There's a lot more nice stuff going on out of CPMC than many people might imagine, so come out of your shell, open your mind and enjoy what this board has to offer.
And never forget that all of this is made possible by some nice people who are just as much a human as you are.


*phew* That's it. As usual when I get agitated, a wall of text.

[Dizzy H. "Muffin" Muffin]

hm. This post has turned out to be just me rambling about stuff, but while we're getting things off our chests ...

Yeah, I'm generally a non-IRCer, at least as far as #t-m and #sm are concerned (I go to others on PPIRC), because the one's often too spammy for my tastes, and the other is ... well, everyone's pretty much said everything I feel about both channels in the other thread. Speaking of which, said other thread probably became a problem because it wasn't clear what TSO actually wanted, and everyone subsequently did thier part to make it even more muddled ...

Let me put it this way: 1. CPMC's insular nature is pretty much the entire reason I gave my Ijiyatsu character a "hmm, not sure if I fit in yet" element in that one thread where we all made profiles. I mean ... fuck, just about every time someone posts a new picture of an Ijiyatsu character, I think "who the hell is that, anyway?" except in several rare, "prominent person" cases. I don't really feel like I've connected with people, even the way I connect with some people in other online communities. I don't mean just in CPMC, I mean the site as a whole. I don't seriously feel like I've made (m)any actual friends here, apart from some of the people who hang out in my comic's channel. Occasionally, I seriously wonder why I come here at all.

And 2. I kind of sympathize with TSO given his situation, but Letty and Kilga seriously need to make it clearer that their acts are nothing more than acts. My first impression of them has always been of "unreasonable, possibly tyrannical mods who are snarky about how unreasonable they are." And if you haven't spent months getting to know them better (In my case, for the record: Kilga slightly, Letty barely), what's a newcomer to the site and PPIRC supposed to think? Now that I think about it, I'm wondering if part of the reason people aren't speaking up about things is for fear of incurring Letty and Kilga's wrath.

[Hello Purvis]

For the record, I used to feel the same way about Kilga.

It wasn't until I spent a good deal of time, as in a couple months, talking with him on IRC that his non-jerk self came through and stuck with me. Though to be fair, he's been a lot better about it in the past couple months as far as forum posting, from what I've seen.

[Mr_Bob]

The effort and thought you put into the opening post shows. I applaud you.
Coincidentally, I agree with your sentiments.

Additionally:

There's a lot more nice stuff going on out of CPMC than many people might imagine, so come out of your shell, open your mind and enjoy what this board has to offer.

A poster in question may just be dropping in for a short while, and therefore just checks/posts in CPMC. But with times like these, it seems unreasonable (and probably unlikely) to spend time only in the classroom when the other boards are often times more interesting that CPMC.

Also, to newcomers who don't feel they fit in yet. Just stay active, you'll eventually learn about others, and the community won't seem so alienating. Personal messages are a great tool to get to know people.

Finally: Muffin, your #1 reflects a bit how I feel. Glad to see Mr_Bob is not the only one.

[N-Forza]

It seems that people here seem to love shenanigans and MOE MOE too much to give a shit about the other forums. UGW is great. Help Me Eirin! is great. The other Miscellaneous boards are good too. CPMC was cool before, but now it's degenerating into a massive circle-jerk.

This is basically my current problem with the forum too, although I really wouldn't consider myself a REAL member of the CPMC inner circle or whatever.

And right now, I think Letty is being TOO nice. He and the other mods could just as easily ban a few troublemakers for good (from the forums and IRC) without another word, and they have every right to do so. Still, I'd like to think that people are a little reasonable and that things can be worked out somehow and an understanding can be reached.

Another thing, if people are still REALLY that dead-set on separating themselves from MotK, then at least have the courtesy to do it properly, on another forum/server altogether.

[FinnKaenbyou]

I'm not sure if I owe everyone here an apology.

Looking back on history, it looks like a lot of this apparent elitism can really be blamed on one thing - Ijiyatsu. The users who got made characters jumped up an echelon in social standing, and it seems to have just about become the standard for #meido. Anyone new is immediately several rungs behind on the ladder simply because they don't have a loli caricature.

I don't want to come off as saying that if you enjoy Ijiyatsu, you're immediately xenophobic/elitist. It's an entertaining side-project that produces some nice fanart and that a lot of people enjoy.

And that's all it is. And you're hearing that from the mouth of the guy who came up with the damn thing. :V

Anyway, I think Muffin made a bit of a point when he said that he hadn't made any real friends on CPMC. People you make jokes with, yes. People you feel you can confide in and and trust? Not so much.

Then again, maybe that's not the sort of thing CPMC is really meant to generate. It's a place to hang out and do stupid shit. Serious business is for other boards. I certainly didn't get particularly friendly with anyone here based solely on a lolsocialthread.

So by definition, staying in meido/CPMC isn't going to make people anything other than mere acquaintances. It's through communication outwith that - communication with meaning, even something relatively lighthearted like UGW - that people really get close.

Maybe people need to take a step back and say to themselves: 'How well do I know my friends on CPMC? Do I know them as people, or do I know them as a loli caricature?' That sort of misconception is probably what's accrued Letty so much haet - everyone saw the cynic and no-one bothered to look for the person. Likewise for TSO - everyone remembered his whining when his life went to shit, but (as has been pointed out) no-one remembered the loyal admin who's basically kept this site alive. If you're taking serious offense at a person's internet persona, at least determine if it's genuine first.

I'm not gonna say that I'm above all of this. Hell, after so long I got scared away from #sm because it was too srs bzns. And I'm guilty of other things as well - my incessant whining was because I saw people as just walls of text, not genuine people whose concern would eventually give way to irritation as I do nothing but complain. I vented without considering the feelings of whoever was on the other side of the monitor, especially whether or not they wanted to hear it, and for that I owe everyone I moaned to an apology.

But if it's descended to the point where we need a thread like this, then I think we should stop and wonder how this happened. Did people simply write MotK off as a place where they could write stupid shit and be funny? Did it stop being a community and start being nothing but CPMC or #meido to some people? And if so, is it really that bad on anyone's behalf to take time every so often to post on more serious boards, where people try to do more than be hilarious? Because that seems like the first step to putting this board back together.

Anyway, I've probably said more than I'm due.

[Tengukami]

I can sympathize with the newcomers here, having also felt like I didn't want to try too hard. But I also felt awkward being old compared to most users here. I didn't want to come across as Mr. Midlife Crisis, or worse. I worried about that, wondering what I could even share. There's still plenty that's private, but I decided to be myself, talk to people, and remember we're all Touhou fans. It takes time. Just like being the new kid in any other class.

Also, Muffin, FWIW, I love your contributions here.

[Firestorm29]

To be quite frank, I think the reason why I'm not more active is probably because I'm stuck at the "wondering what I could even share.". Should have seen how worried I was at first when I started that scratch ticket thing. ^^;

Wish I could add more than I hope you guys get through this alright. There's another community I'm in that is exactly what this thread's trying avoid, and I'd really hate to see you guys go further down that route.

Though I think one thing I am getting from this is that it makes me want to try and become more active with you guys than I have been from before.

[Pesco]

To be quite frank, I think the reason why I'm not more active is probably because I'm stuck at the "wondering what I could even share.". Should have seen how worried I was at first when I started that scratch ticket thing. ^^;

Wish I could add more than I hope you guys get through this alright. There's another community I'm in that is exactly what this thread's trying avoid, and I'd really hate to see you guys go further down that route.

Though I think one thing I am getting from this is that it makes me want to try and become more active with you guys than I have been from before.

Do more scratch tickets

[Sana]

So...I'm not very good at writing posts like this, but I'd just like to say that I always thought Letty's "jerk" side was just a little joke of his, and it's really nice to be proven right at times like this.

Anyway, I'm just going to agree with Benny here. I think that it's really important to remember the text on your screen was typed by someone, and that someone has feelings too.

Also, Muffin's puns make my day.

[Gpop]

(Thanks for pointing this out Pako)

Well...this is a thing.

I really don't have much to say. I'm gonna be blatantly honest and say that I actually like all of the mods/admins here. I may have complained about them before, and long before, but now I like all of you. Letty you're a cool guy. I understand that your ban-threats are usually empty if without good reason. It's just that before with your past bannings at the beginning of the new forum scared me a bit. Not only at you, but with every mod here. The probation TSO gave right at the beginning didn't help me as well >.>

Now about the IRC problem. I've been to #sm about...4 times in my life. All 4 times, I can not participate in the discussion because of what's being discussed. I don't feel like I fit in. Like what Edible said in the previous thread, it's a much different atmosphere.

Now #meido...at first I didn't intend to stay there. I decided to go there once because I wanted to know how that Maid RPG or whatever it's called worked. When I got there though, I discovered that most CPMC'ers goes there. I've been told by them (not by Pesco or Hime though) that this is where most of them talk and hang out. This is where I got the assumption that it was the CPMC channel. I will not point any fingers, but I'm just gonna point that out on why I go there.

I've never been to /jp/ or really 4chan in general. I just don't like to hang around there. And I've lurked Poosh sometimes, but not too much. In general, I don't go on imageboards or post there much. I just came straight here and posted because it seems like a nice community. To be honest, this community is A LOT better than most other communities I've been on, and not only will I thank the mods and admins for this, but for the majority of the members here that made it so. You guys are fun to hang with. I don't know how this place became the place where most kids got shoved out of /jp/, but again, never went on that place so no comment there.

I've never hung around SA as well, because I'm cheap and not willing to pay for membership, and ads make it unbearable for me to lurk the place. So I won't comment anything on that as well.

Lastly, this is regarding myself. I am fully aware of my actions. I may have contributed to some...discussions...that became the cause of most topic locks. I know that my perverted mind needs to be self-contained to a strict limit to make other members comfortable. I am trying to do so at the best of my ability. I've had warnings by fellow mods, more specifically Kilga, whom I respect whole-heartedly. It's not that I refuse to learn. It's just that how low I lower the limit sometimes isn't low enough.

I may be the biggest Koishi fanboy out there. The only thing I really want to point out and make clear is I AM NEVER SERIOUS WHEN I SAY I WANT HER TO BE MY WAIFU. I DO NOT WISH TO MARRY OR TO LOVE OR MAKE LOVE TO A FICTIONAL CHARACTER. I HAVE HAD GIRLS IN MY LIFE, AND I'VE HAD MY SHARE OF LOVE WITH THEM. So don't go thinking that Koishi is my one true love or that I never had a girlfriend or kissed a girl or whatever. I just think she's a fun character in the series who deserves more respect, and I like to make jokes about my favouritism over her.

While I'm on that subject, I'm gonna address the issue with the image thread. I've had complaints that I've been posting too many Koishi images. I understand. But the problem is that one day I don't post Koishi images, and I get PMs about my lack of Koishi in the thread FOR ONE FREAKING DAY. There's two sides to the argument. One wants less, one wants more. So the only thing I could do at the moment is to continue posting Koishi images. Why? Because it's not mandatory to save or to look at Koishi images. You still don't like it?
:dealwithit:

That is all. I'm not a person who likes to go into arguments (which is probably another reason why I left Mafia. Not like I hate you guys, it's just me).

[Gpop]

I may be the biggest Koishi fanboy out there. The only thing I really want to point out and make clear is I AM NEVER SERIOUS WHEN I SAY I WANT HER TO BE MY WAIFU. I DO NOT WISH TO MARRY OR TO LOVE OR MAKE LOVE TO A FICTIONAL CHARACTER. I HAVE HAD GIRLS IN MY LIFE, AND I'VE HAD MY SHARE OF LOVE WITH THEM. So don't go thinking that Koishi is my one true love or that I never had a girlfriend or kissed a girl or whatever. I just think she's a fun character in the series who deserves more respect, and I like to make jokes about my favouritism over her.

One more thing.

I'm pretty sure that many people from the old forum remembers the waifu thread right? I was the creator and all, and how it all turned out.

I only made that thread to have some fun. I didn't intend people to take it so seriously and to go RP in it. My true intention was to see people fight over characters who's already been claimed and all. Like I said, this waifu thing wasn't serious at all. I may be part of the blame for the RP, but I never intended it to give off some creepy vibe. It was all fun and games for me, and may not have been for others. I am deeply sorry for whatever happened in that thread and could not withhold any actions in that thread. That would totally be my fault. Just don't take that waifu crap too seriously please.

Just wanted to point that out as it came to mind when talking to Pako.

[Firestorm29]

Do more scratch tickets

I wish I could with the 9's, but they're gone already. @_@;

[helvetica]

:wikipedia:

[Kuma]

This is the only internet community that I like, and I hate it when we can't all just take it easy.

[Slaves]

wait, hold on

the Mode Tells About CPMC thread was moved to Community Fanworks? i figured it should stay here because it's about CPMC too

[Momiji]

In this thread, Confessions of a Shrinemaiden.

Anyway, CPMC and certain other parts of MotK definitely feels insular, even for someone that's been there for almost a year now.  It feels hard to really interact much when you don't have a lot to contribute.  But most of that is stuff that's already covered by other people.  Personally, I guess I probably post more in Tech Support than anywhere else.  There definitely seems to be a bit of a wall around certain groups of people (most evident during the Otakon meetup last year, but that was my own social anxiety acting up, ahahaa).  But I guess time and whatever will fix that.

As for the cynicism, I definitely understand doing it "for the lulz", but there's a time and place for it.  It definitely shouldn't come out when making moderation decisions, as it can cloud your perceptions of people and events along with causing misunderstandings in one's intentions.  As forum and channel staff, you're the stewards of the overall image of the site.  While I don't think the site's overbearingly unwelcoming, I think a bit of the cynicism needs to be expressed in a different way.  Personally I haven't had any specific issues with anyone in the staff (including Suzuran on #sm), when I've interacted with them on a personal level they've seemed to be decent people.

Then again, I'm retarded as it is, so don't listen to me.   :V

[Tengukami]

I may be the biggest Koishi fanboy out there. The only thing I really want to point out and make clear is I AM NEVER SERIOUS WHEN I SAY I WANT HER TO BE MY WAIFU. I DO NOT WISH TO MARRY OR TO LOVE OR MAKE LOVE TO A FICTIONAL CHARACTER. I HAVE HAD GIRLS IN MY LIFE, AND I'VE HAD MY SHARE OF LOVE WITH THEM. So don't go thinking that Koishi is my one true love or that I never had a girlfriend or kissed a girl or whatever. I just think she's a fun character in the series who deserves more respect, and I like to make jokes about my favouritism over her.

I don't think anyone actually thinks you want to marry a fictional character, so much as, I don't know, we get it already that you really, really, really, like Koishi. Might be a bit ironic coming from me, but yeah. Otherwise, party on.

[Dizzy H. "Muffin" Muffin]

Y'know, Gpoop, I think you'd come off as less creepy/obnoxious if you didn't give the impression that someone could write a fic that was complete and utter crap, or make a stupid and terrible create.swf comic, and you'd still love them solely on the basis that it had Koishi, possibly shipped with Flandre.

(That said, I still think you shouldn't have to spend months Getting To Know a moderator before they don't come off as an egotistical prick.)

[Gpop]

I don't think anyone actually thinks you want to marry a fictional character, so much as, I don't know, we get it already that you really, really, really, like Koishi. Might be a bit ironic coming from me, but yeah. Otherwise, party on.

Just that I've had people who took me seriously, and actually starting coming out on me saying that they wanted to marry a Touhou character, seriousness and all. Just wanted to point that out for those people who thinks that way.

Y'know, Gpoop, I think you'd come off as less creepy/obnoxious if you didn't give the impression that someone could write a fic that was complete and utter crap, or make a stupid and terrible create.swf comic, and you'd still love them solely on the basis that it had Koishi, possibly shipped with Flandre.

I'll be honest, I don't read many fics. The only ones I follow are White Rose, Valesta's CtC re-interpretation, Sweet Dreams, some of UD's fics and some of yours. The only create.swf comic I follow is yours. How many of them have Koishi in them. Only three, and your comics I have been following before you introduced Koishi x Flandre or even Koishi herself. I'm writing a fic myself that's not even solely centered around Koishi, although it does have her as a major influence at the moment.

Anyways, enough of that. I'm done for now. I'll still be the Koishi-addicted fanboy, but I just wanted to make that clear for those who takes me seriously :V

[dustyjo]

I'm more pathetic than Gpop? ;_;

Spoiler:

jk

[Azure Lazuline]

Okay, I don't post here much, I have no idea what the drama was about, and yes, I do feel kind of awkward whenever I post here. But I would like to say one thing.

Thank you, Letty. Thank you, TSO. And thank you to everyone else who helps keep these forums running, because it's one of the best overall communities I could ever ask for.

[Kuma]

We should all hug. right now.

[Rin Kagamine]

I guess we all have to post here?

Jerk mods make the best mods because they're more likely to uphold rules and not worry and hurting feelings.  If your feelings are hurt because you got probated, deal with it.  You broke a rule and you got punished.  Don't like it?  Don't do it again.  Simple as that

CPMC was a lot better before that Vic Viper guy came around, can't we do something about him?  EUUGH!

[Tengukami]