Author Topic: Touhou AAAGGHGHGAGHAGGHHHH thread #5  (Read 115217 times)

Re: Touhou AAAGGHGHGAGHAGGHHHH thread #5
« Reply #150 on: December 28, 2009, 01:04:04 AM »
I got a gripe with PCB. Why does it seem like ZUN really messed up sorting out some parameters (bullet patterns, speeds, etc.) that measure what we, the players, measure as "difficulty"? Easy Mode seems like it has way too many bullets on the later levels, perhaps enough to rival Normal, and to potentially unnerve those who are new to Touhou. Hell, even I felt uneasy seeing Youmu's nonspells the first time on Easy. Imagine a total rookie realizing he doesn't have nearly enough experience to weave through the sets of bullets, or better yet stream the arrowheads while weaving. The very dense and stream-prohibiting "Perfect Cherry Blossom of Sumizome" also comes to mind - I've yet to capture it on Easy because of the "cherry blossom" danmaku, but I randomly almost capped it on my first try during Normal Mode.

I have to play Hard and Lunatic before I can make judgments for them, so nothing about them right now.

Having only played Touhou for a couple months now, I can say that the Touhou games on Easy mode are comparable to other shooters on hard mode. Even stages 1 and 2 in Touhou games throw all sorts of crazy cascades at me. Just take UFO for instance...I just got past Kogasa in stage 2 normal last week. And I'm already feeling proud of myself for doing that much. Stage 3 downright massacred me however. In SA I find Parsee easier than Yamame, and then Yuugi comes and lasers me to death all the same. 

As for what you say about PCB, I find that if a rookie tried to play Touhou like I did. Either he would get frustrated and rage quit or realize the game is above his skill level and try to get better. Personally, I still suck at these games. The day I get through SA and UFO stage 3 will mark the second milestone in my Touhou experience. The first being a 10 continue clear of MoF easy. 8 of the continues were for Kanako!! But I still beat it
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Re: Touhou AAAGGHGHGAGHAGGHHHH thread #5
« Reply #151 on: December 28, 2009, 01:04:48 AM »
HNNNNNN made all the way up to Konngara no-bombs. Then failed miserably. (after failing stage 19 miserably as well and entering stage 20 with only 4 lives.)




Anyone see anything I'm doing really wrong? :(
without watching the replay:

Yuka was too slow to get out of the way
so, yeah, protip: ditch Yuka

edit: watched the replay. BOMB MOAR. you're even getting hit with a full gauge at times, I'm getting the impression that you're waiting for REALLY TOUGH SPOTS to use up your gauge. now, if you have at least 2 bars, you have no reason to get hit except by some suprise bullet which you absolutely did not see, and the more filled your gauge is, the more liberal you can (and should) be about using it. keep ready to charge a L2 at all times, against anything that isn't absolutely harmless (if it turns out to be a non-threat, release a L1 before you've finished charging) and don't be afraid of being temporarily reduced to less than 2 bars - it certainly tops getting hit. it also helps with your score, and with getting the not-really-that-hard 70m extend.

you're doing fine with Yuka's "speed", though Shikieiki will always be a problem. and with Yuka having no tricks vs. the AI, you're probably needing the usual three minutes.
« Last Edit: December 28, 2009, 01:45:03 AM by ebarrett »

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Re: Touhou AAAGGHGHGAGHAGGHHHH thread #5
« Reply #152 on: December 28, 2009, 02:55:16 AM »
I've spent the last hour and a half fighting Lunatic Aya in PoFV Match mode with Marisa/Shiki. One round lasted for 3:42, and had Aya still be at full health by the time I died.

:V
Let's fight.

Re: Touhou AAAGGHGHGAGHAGGHHHH thread #5
« Reply #153 on: December 28, 2009, 02:59:21 AM »
Give up now..the AI in that game has reached the threshhold where blood/alcohol level is optimal for dodging skills.

Re: Touhou AAAGGHGHGAGHAGGHHHH thread #5
« Reply #154 on: December 28, 2009, 03:17:20 AM »

Re: Touhou AAAGGHGHGAGHAGGHHHH thread #5
« Reply #155 on: December 28, 2009, 03:18:05 AM »
Utsuho. Just.... ugh. I'll never 1CC SA at this rate...

EDIT: No Bananamatic, that is not your cue to give me advice on spellcards I've never heard of before. =V

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Re: Touhou AAAGGHGHGAGHAGGHHHH thread #5
« Reply #156 on: December 28, 2009, 03:20:35 AM »
I gave up on 1ccing SA. It's just made of garbage. Watching videos of SA Extra also influenced this because "Oh gawd what is this shit, this is made of unfair."

Re: Touhou AAAGGHGHGAGHAGGHHHH thread #5
« Reply #157 on: December 28, 2009, 03:22:25 AM »
I've spent the last hour and a half fighting Lunatic Aya in PoFV Match mode with Marisa/Shiki. One round lasted for 3:42, and had Aya still be at full health by the time I died.

:V
Not only are you playing lunatic match mode, you're doing it against the fastest character. :V  If you actually want to have a chance at winning, don't play against anyone faster than Sakuya, and don't use anyone worse at trapping the AI than Marisa.

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Re: Touhou AAAGGHGHGAGHAGGHHHH thread #5
« Reply #158 on: December 28, 2009, 03:29:38 AM »
Quote from: People
Match mode is BS etc.
I'm more doing this for fun and practice than to actually have a chance a winning, although winning would obviously be an excellent bonus. It's just so much fun to have matches that intense. I don't want to find ways to make this easier for myself; the fun is all in the challenge.

At any rate, though, I have managed to get her to half an orb on three seperate occasions with Shiki, so there's hope yet. :V
I gave up on 1ccing SA. It's just made of garbage. Watching videos of SA Extra also influenced this because "Oh gawd what is this shit, this is made of unfair."
Nahh, SA is fair; it's just really, really hard compared to most of the other games. The main difficulty aside from the danmaku comes from the fact that bombs are really weak aside from ReimuC's; you have to be consistent at most things in order to succeed. :V
Let's fight.

Bananamatic

Re: Touhou AAAGGHGHGAGHAGGHHHH thread #5
« Reply #159 on: December 28, 2009, 03:29:46 AM »
EDIT: No Bananamatic, that is not your cue to give me advice on spellcards I've never heard of before. =V
protip: her first card is harder on normal than on lunatic

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Re: Touhou AAAGGHGHGAGHAGGHHHH thread #5
« Reply #160 on: December 28, 2009, 03:31:11 AM »
protip: her first card is harder on normal than on lunatic
And so is her last. And her semifinal too, IMO.

Yeah, something is seriously wrong with the Utsuho fight :X
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Re: Touhou AAAGGHGHGAGHAGGHHHH thread #5
« Reply #161 on: December 28, 2009, 03:35:26 AM »
protip: her first card is harder on normal than on lunatic
And so is her last. And her semifinal too, IMO.

Yeah, something is seriously wrong with the Utsuho fight :X
Her first and fourth I disagree with but can sort of understand; but Lunatic Subterranean Sun easier than Normal? Really? I can't see any reason at all why this would be the case; it's both much slower and much less dense. ???
Let's fight.

Bananamatic

Re: Touhou AAAGGHGHGAGHAGGHHHH thread #5
« Reply #162 on: December 28, 2009, 03:37:25 AM »
Her first and fourth I disagree with but can sort of understand; but Lunatic Subterranean Sun easier than Normal? Really? I can't see any reason at all why this would be the case; it's both much slower and much less dense. ???
The first one is much easier to misdirect IMO.
Yeah it's a bit harder on lunatic, but it's not killer difference like Kanako or Remi.

Re: Touhou AAAGGHGHGAGHAGGHHHH thread #5
« Reply #163 on: December 28, 2009, 03:37:48 AM »
protip: her first card is harder on normal than on lunatic
I was trying to poke fun at the fact you keep using Hard/Lunatic names for me when I'm a Normal-mode player. >=E (Seriously, I had to look up what the crap Hell's Tokamak was supposed to be...)

And I can't even get past STAGE FREAKING ONE on lunatic, so I'm not going to be able to test that out anytime soon.

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Bananamatic

Re: Touhou AAAGGHGHGAGHAGGHHHH thread #5
« Reply #164 on: December 28, 2009, 03:42:07 AM »
I was trying to poke fun at the fact you keep using Hard/Lunatic names for me when I'm a Normal-mode player. >=E (Seriously, I had to look up what the crap Hell's Tokamak was supposed to be...)

And I can't even get past STAGE FREAKING ONE on lunatic, so I'm not going to be able to test that out anytime soon.
Just like you don't know the H/L names, I don't know the Normal names anymore :V

Re: Touhou AAAGGHGHGAGHAGGHHHH thread #5
« Reply #165 on: December 28, 2009, 03:48:42 AM »
Oni God Mode-best played while Drunk

Sounds like sage advice

ebarrett

Re: Touhou AAAGGHGHGAGHAGGHHHH thread #5
« Reply #166 on: December 28, 2009, 04:14:07 AM »
HRtP lunatic no bombs. Perfected Shingyoku. Perfected Mima. Perfected Kikuri. Accidental bomb on stage 17 with one card remaining. Gameover at Konngara because, really, wouldn't you feel crushed too?

 :'(

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Re: Touhou AAAGGHGHGAGHAGGHHHH thread #5
« Reply #167 on: December 28, 2009, 04:19:23 AM »
On Christmas day I beat Imperishable Night's Extra for the first time (fairly choppy run but still...). I spend about two days gloating to anyone who cares to listen, then decides to move on and start working on PCB Normal.

I proceed to spend about 20 games dying to Letty, Chen, and once to a Pre-Cirno fairy. AHFIODSIOGHWIJ

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Re: Touhou AAAGGHGHGAGHAGGHHHH thread #5
« Reply #168 on: December 28, 2009, 05:05:00 PM »
Managed to last over four minutes against Aya and bring her down to half an orb. I'll win a round eventually. :V Would upload the replay of it, but for some reason gensokyo.org won't accept it. Has this happened to anyone else?
« Last Edit: December 28, 2009, 05:22:48 PM by Sapz »
Let's fight.

Bananamatic

Re: Touhou AAAGGHGHGAGHAGGHHHH thread #5
« Reply #169 on: December 28, 2009, 05:20:35 PM »
Managed to last over four minutes against Aya and bring her down to half an orb. I'll wind a round eventually. :V Would upload the replay of it, but for some reason gensokyo.org won't accept it. Has this happened to anyone else?
It will get marked as TAS :V

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Re: Touhou AAAGGHGHGAGHAGGHHHH thread #5
« Reply #170 on: December 28, 2009, 05:25:06 PM »
It will get marked as TAS :V
Pssh! D:

Anyway, I just realised I'm being an idiot and can upload the replay directly here, so... yeah. :V
Let's fight.

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Re: Touhou AAAGGHGHGAGHAGGHHHH thread #5
« Reply #171 on: December 28, 2009, 08:04:44 PM »
Wait, what?

I just went from 5 health orbs to a half in the course of a single second.
And I died to Yuka three times. Had 50 million when I game-overed in stage 8.
I'm spamming lvl 2's like crazy and I still have this low?  ???

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Re: Touhou AAAGGHGHGAGHAGGHHHH thread #5
« Reply #172 on: December 28, 2009, 08:47:50 PM »
I'm going to fucking cry.

I reached GRT 2/2...
I die with a bomb in stock...

God fucking damnit... ;_;

Re: Touhou AAAGGHGHGAGHAGGHHHH thread #5
« Reply #173 on: December 28, 2009, 10:04:08 PM »
Deathbombed Ephemerality 137 perfected everything else in the stage. Fuck that stupid spell. It's not easy despite what you guys say.

Order of things that mess up a perfect run.

Ephemerality
Nonspells
Future God's Realm
Three Treasures Country
Pseudo-History
First Pyramid

Re: Touhou AAAGGHGHGAGHAGGHHHH thread #5
« Reply #174 on: December 28, 2009, 10:04:58 PM »
Anyone see anything I'm doing really wrong? :(
If I die one more time because Yuka was too slow to get out of the way...
I don't even need to look at the replay to know that you're focusing too much.  Her unfocused speed is perfect imo, especially combined with her level 1 charge to clear swaths of enemies and bullets.

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Re: Touhou AAAGGHGHGAGHAGGHHHH thread #5
« Reply #175 on: December 28, 2009, 11:26:01 PM »
SoEW Extra.

That is all.

Re: Touhou AAAGGHGHGAGHAGGHHHH thread #5
« Reply #176 on: December 29, 2009, 12:50:07 AM »
I was doing this amazing Normal run of EoSD and perfecting Stage 5 (the stage only) so I get to Remilia, three extra lives and three bombs.

And then I die on her first nonspell with bombs in stock.
"Well, that was stupid of me, but maybe I can still pull this off if I'm more conservative..."
And then I die again on her first spell, Star of David, again with bombs in stock.
"Ugh, why am I being so terrible right now? I hope I don't die anymore, since this isn't going too well..."
There's one life left. I'm doing better now, bombing Scarlet Netherworld like I always do and then capturing Curse of Vlad Tepes.
And then I die on her last nonspell, the first phase that isn't streaming.
"Aslkdnslkdnalksn this is so stupid ugghh why must I keep failing"
Last death, Scarlet Shoot.
I didn't even get to Red Magic.
AAAGGHGHGAGHAGGHHHH

ebarrett

Re: Touhou AAAGGHGHGAGHAGGHHHH thread #5
« Reply #177 on: December 29, 2009, 01:44:37 AM »
HRtP lunatic no bombs.

Got Konngara down to 2 hits left, after entering the final stage with only 3 lives after AGAIN messing up horribly on stage 19.

By the way: so many runs ending on stage 16. So many.



edit: got to Kikuri with full lives as opposed to 1 or 2 like in most runs. "Finally, this should be more than enough to allow me to play conservatively through 16-19 and guarantee a clear!"

Game over at Kikuri's first phase.  :'(
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Re: Touhou AAAGGHGHGAGHAGGHHHH thread #5
« Reply #178 on: December 29, 2009, 02:54:21 AM »
Her first and fourth I disagree with but can sort of understand; but Lunatic Subterranean Sun easier than Normal? Really? I can't see any reason at all why this would be the case; it's both much slower and much less dense. ???

It's the same with many cards on Lunatic, as long as the bullets come down, and not side ways or any other bullshit, if it comes down faster without it being too random, it's easy.

The problem with Nuclear Fusion (1st Card Normal) is the blue bullets moves waaay too slow, and the sun bullets are less frequent, so naturally, you could winded right under the one of the sun bullets since you are too busy reading the blue ones.

On Uncontainable Nuclear Reaction (Lunatic), the sun bullets are launched one after another, so it sort of creates a zone for your eyes, so it's like "Let's not go there."  The blue bullets are still dense, but moving fast enough so it is not a chore to read them.  At least, that's how I see it.

Hell's Artificial Sun vs. Subbterrean Sun, same idea with the fast bullet problem, what you need to do in both cards is to let the gravity take you through the gaps and regroup.  In normal, you can tense up since you can move away from your gap.  On Lunatic, this is less of a problem.

PS: This reminds me of Ouendan, in Normal mode there, there are beats that are not 1/16th notes intense, and that becomes harder when you turn on hidden mode.

Re: Touhou AAAGGHGHGAGHAGGHHHH thread #5
« Reply #179 on: December 29, 2009, 02:20:56 PM »
IN Lunatic. 2 deaths all the way up to Reisen. i still manage to fuck up and game over on Hourai Jewel due to a horrible Reisen fight, a horrible Kaguya fight. Oh deathbombing Three treasures Country sucked as well, same Lifespring Infinity. getting rid of either of those would have allowed a 1cc. Or not having this happen.

Edit: Actually Salamander Shield was a death.

1/0 going Hourai Jewel. Die, clipdeathbomb, clipdeathbomb, clipdeath.

I was so fucking close.
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