Author Topic: Revenge of Shooter Games Thread (Read 133400 times)

Matsuri · « **Reply #240 on:** December 16, 2009, 07:37:12 AM »

I think I'd like the game a whole lot more if stage 3 didn't exist :V It really makes me not want to play it at all.

Did you try the Munchausen+Roger gameplay yet, Ghaleon? Feel free to just continuespam through it, it's only the dialogue that matters

Sodium · « **Reply #241 on:** December 16, 2009, 01:05:28 PM »

I missed two of my three possible(I didn't get to 400k, because I suck at getting all three items) 1-ups in ChoRenSha. I died at the stage 6 boss. FFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFF

Zengar Zombolt · « **Reply #242 on:** December 16, 2009, 03:20:50 PM »

So the second loop of DonPachi is automatic? I got to the TLB, and went WAOH
Still beat it (One full continue, but still).
Also I now can reach Stage 3 on DDP with 1-2 lives consistently! Woo!

Bananamatic · « **Reply #243 on:** December 16, 2009, 03:23:29 PM »

Quote from: Reiuzengar Utsuho on December 16, 2009, 03:20:50 PM

So the second loop of DonPachi is automatic? I got to the TLB, and went WAOH
Still beat it (One full continue, but still).
Also I now can reach Stage 3 on DDP with 1-2 lives consistently! Woo!

wait so I reach the TLB no matter how many times I continue?
because Donpachi was a bitch to even beat....

Matsuri · « **Reply #244 on:** December 16, 2009, 03:42:02 PM »

Mushihimesama Futari God Mode is fucking godtier.

I'm in love.

and sadly it seems like I'm the only one who's even trying to play it.

Sodium · « **Reply #245 on:** December 16, 2009, 09:44:43 PM »

Is it me, or does ChoRenSha get a shitload harder if you die? =V

Azinth · « **Reply #246 on:** December 16, 2009, 10:01:53 PM »

Quote from: MakaiSouvenirBooth on December 16, 2009, 09:44:43 PM

Is it me, or does ChoRenSha get a shitload harder if you die? =V

Yeah, death loops after dying the first time are very common in that game, at least for me. Whenever you do die, it's imperative that you use the triple-collecting trick to get your shield/power back as soon as possible, because a lot of the later stage portions are near-unsurvivable if you're not at least at 3 power. Even if you have to use a bomb to clear out enemies and get inside the triangle, you should do it (and you get a bomb back immediately anyways so it's not a big deal).

Oh and I now have access to my shmups again, and it's about damn time. Gunbird 2 and Banshiryuu have been calling my name all week. :V

nintendonut888 · « **Reply #247 on:** December 17, 2009, 01:50:06 AM »

Quote from: Reiuzengar Utsuho on December 16, 2009, 03:20:50 PM

So the second loop of DonPachi is automatic? I got to the TLB, and went WAOH
Still beat it (One full continue, but still).
Also I now can reach Stage 3 on DDP with 1-2 lives consistently! Woo!

Congrats for making it that far. Like, Donpachi was where danmaku got its start, it has mad props for that, but playing it today...well, after I did a full playthrough just to see Hibachi-chan (he's SO not moe in this game BTW), I felt slightly suicidal. It's not the fact that it was hard, it's not the fact that the deaths are freaking cheap (enemies coming from below is bad enough, but AIMING for you?), it's the fact that the game is fucking boring.

moozooh · « **Reply #248 on:** December 17, 2009, 02:19:48 AM »

Can't blame Cave, at that point in time it was their first danmaku game — they were just afraid of making it too fun. :V

Ikeda himself said in an interview that it was only after he had witnessed such mortifying game as Battle Garegga gain success in arcades that he decided to make DoDonPachi what it was.

Matsuri · « **Reply #249 on:** December 17, 2009, 03:50:39 AM »

I thought danmaku more or less got its start with Toaplan games like Batsugun. Then again, Toaplan split off into CAVE, Raizing (who made Garegga and whatnot), and Takumi (of Gig'Waaaaaaaaaaaang and Mars Matrix fame) when the company tanked.

Aisha · « **Reply #250 on:** December 17, 2009, 04:02:56 AM »

Yeah, I think Batsugun (1993) was the earliest. The Toaplan members that formed Cave made DonPachi, but I remember it feeling more like a Toaplan game than a typical Cave game. I don't think Cave started coming into their own form until Raizing's Battle Garegga, which made them want to see how many bullets they could fit onto the screen with DoDonPachi.

moozooh · « **Reply #251 on:** December 17, 2009, 04:24:59 PM »

To be honest, Batsugun doesn't feel very danmaku-ish to me.

shadowbringer · « **Reply #252 on:** December 17, 2009, 05:34:46 PM »

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3AHhkq7p3Qw
(first part of 3 of a french documentary about the history of shooting games, with better subtitles than an earlier version)

lol at some people calling Donpachi Downpatch :p (funny name, haven't played much Donpachi)

Matsuri · « **Reply #253 on:** December 17, 2009, 06:27:06 PM »

Quote from: moozooh on December 17, 2009, 04:24:59 PM

To be honest, Batsugun doesn't feel very danmaku-ish to me.

I kind of get a sense of balance from Batsugun. The stages remind me a lot of Mushi/Futari Original mode stages due to the speed and lack of trickery-- just dodge everything that's aimed at you-- while the bosses have a bit of a danmaku-feel to them. *shrug*

Ghaleon · « **Reply #254 on:** December 17, 2009, 08:29:45 PM »

Say, anybody find any good quality youtube videos of not so spiritual Larsa on the xbox version? I'm having a hard time finding a good one from the xbox. The arcade ones often feature poor as #@%#% video quality (not that I blame them, recording from an arcade cabinet would be difficult >=P), or players that use like 4 continues..Which again I don't blame them, but It's kinda hard to enjoy the bullet patterns when the screen keeps getting cleared due to death/bomb.

Matsuri · « **Reply #255 on:** December 18, 2009, 12:11:49 AM »

Hey, guys.

Guess what.

Mushihimesama Futari Black Label Original Mode: My first CAVE 1CC. My hands are still shaking. God, what a rush!

I need a new camera, too.

Quote from: Ghaleon on December 17, 2009, 08:29:45 PM

Say, anybody find any good quality youtube videos of not so spiritual Larsa on the xbox version? I'm having a hard time finding a good one from the xbox. The arcade ones often feature poor as #@%#% video quality (not that I blame them, recording from an arcade cabinet would be difficult >=P), or players that use like 4 continues..Which again I don't blame them, but It's kinda hard to enjoy the bullet patterns when the screen keeps getting cleared due to death/bomb.

If you have access to the game, you can download the top replays from the Xbox Live scoreboard.

I dunno if anyone's made it to the Ultra Mode TLB yet, though...

Ghaleon · « **Reply #256 on:** December 18, 2009, 01:42:03 AM »

Quote from: Matsuri on December 18, 2009, 12:11:49 AM

Hey, guys.

Guess what.

Mushihimesama Futari Black Label Original Mode: My first CAVE 1CC. My hands are still shaking. God, what a rush!

I need a new camera, too.

If you have access to the game, you can download the top replays from the Xbox Live scoreboard.

I dunno if anyone's made it to the Ultra Mode TLB yet, though...

Yay grats!

I have access to the game.. just not an xbox =P

Aisha · « **Reply #257 on:** December 18, 2009, 02:04:54 AM »

Quote from: Matsuri on December 18, 2009, 12:11:49 AM

Hey, guys.

Guess what.

http://i285.photobucket.com/albums/ll65/momijitsukuyomi/Mobile%20Uploads/1217091846.jpg

Mushihimesama Futari Black Label Original Mode: My first CAVE 1CC. My hands are still shaking. God, what a rush!

I need a new camera, too.

If you have access to the game, you can download the top replays from the Xbox Live scoreboard.

I dunno if anyone's made it to the Ultra Mode TLB yet, though...

Wow, congrats.

Does that include the TLB too? I can't recall what mode you have to be playing on to access it.

(God I want to play Futari so badly.)

Matsuri · « **Reply #258 on:** December 18, 2009, 02:20:32 AM »

Nah. The TLB is in Ultra/God modes only.

moozooh · « **Reply #259 on:** December 18, 2009, 04:00:12 AM »

Congrats, Matsuri! Cave 1CC is a respectable thing.

On another note, our fellow Touhou player (and WR holder) Dual has made some nice videos of the very same mode, netting 3 billion with over 260k on the counter:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7WVLNe1ACW4
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sMo53957z_Y
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WXAVdpDYkTU

The rank is incredible. I can barely see some of the bullets shot by the popcorn enemies in stage 5, and Larsa's last pattern is just some kind of a wheel of fortune. This game would make the entire Psikyo crew proud.

Matsuri · « **Reply #260 on:** December 18, 2009, 04:11:08 AM »

That guy is a fucking beast, and his videos are one of the reasons I wanted to play Black Label Original mode so bad.

Then again, I don't think I ever got over 25000 on my counter. Bombing or dying just makes it plummet.

But hey, it's my first clear. Can't expect anything amazing out of that.

Azinth · « **Reply #261 on:** December 18, 2009, 05:22:46 AM »

Oh God.

Such an amazing run. No-missed all the way to the stage 6 midboss, then I started getting overly nervous. I lost on the last attack of the pirate battle (y'know, the stupidly easy one where you just stand in place) with full bombs in stock goddammit. For a second I thought I might get 1M...

And also, massive congrats to Matsuri's 1cc.

Matsuri · « **Reply #262 on:** December 18, 2009, 05:41:58 AM »

Amazing indeed. Get that 7digit score :p

How close are you to the clear?

Ghaleon · « **Reply #263 on:** December 18, 2009, 05:48:07 AM »

Quote from: moozooh on December 18, 2009, 04:00:12 AM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WXAVdpDYkTU

WTF, how is it humanly possible to read and micro dodge some of those fast moving shots? I mean it doesn't appear to be a simple stream. Am I just missing something here?

0:30-0:32, 0:58ish look like incredibly fast bullets requiring fairly precise movement that don't like simple streams.. are they?

Azinth · « **Reply #264 on:** December 18, 2009, 05:59:45 AM »

Quote from: Matsuri on December 18, 2009, 05:41:58 AM

Amazing indeed. Get that 7digit score :p

How close are you to the clear?

I was literally 5 seconds away from the final boss. I haven't practiced him much, but he's really short, and easier than the 1-6 boss. Once I've learned him, I'll basically have all the information I need to clear. I just need to push myself one step further and string everything together into another good run.

lmagus · « **Reply #265 on:** December 18, 2009, 09:16:17 PM »

Wow congrats Matsuri!!

I'm still having trouble at the 5th stage in 1.5 Original

Is BL any different?

I'm trying to avoid buying it, because I don't even have a XBLA account.

Matsuri · « **Reply #266 on:** December 19, 2009, 12:06:10 AM »

BL's rank seems easier to control, since I can't manage to get very far with 1.5 Original-- that, and Reco's shot is a lot stronger in BL, which means bosses die faster.

It's still by no means an easy 1cc though. :p

Bananamatic · « **Reply #267 on:** December 19, 2009, 01:18:50 AM »

How high up in terms of difficulty there would be Blue Wish Resurrection(not plus)?
Tried Original and died just before the final boss.
If this game gave only one extra life from somewhere....

Ghaleon · « **Reply #268 on:** December 19, 2009, 01:31:01 AM »

Quote from: Bananamatic on December 19, 2009, 01:18:50 AM

How high up in terms of difficulty there would be Blue Wish Resurrection(not plus)?
Tried Original and died just before the final boss.
If this game gave only one extra life from somewhere....

not sure what general opinion is, but I find I get to the same point. I haven't played it too many time sthough, didn't enjoy it as much as I hoped.

Have you tried the stella vanity demo yet? stage 1 is easy, 2 is also easy, but can kill you if you screw up...Stage 3 is hard, but doable. Stage four is wtf rape for me though I'm wondering if I just suck at the game, or if stage 4 is absolutely ridiculous for everyone else too.

Azinth · « **Reply #269 on:** December 19, 2009, 03:56:52 AM »

Quote from: Bananamatic on December 19, 2009, 01:18:50 AM

How high up in terms of difficulty there would be Blue Wish Resurrection(not plus)?
Tried Original and died just before the final boss.
If this game gave only one extra life from somewhere....

I assume you mean difficulty in comparison to Touhou. I'm not an expert on this game by any means, but my estimate would be:

Heaven = between Easy and Normal
Original = easyish Hard mode
Accel = don't really know, I haven't played this mode much.
Hell = difficult to tell, but definitely harder than any Lunatic if only because of the TLB (though the rest of the game is plenty hard too)

I don't think anyone in the west has 1cced BWR on Hell yet, or at least I haven't heard of anyone.

Also, in case you didn't know, there's a secret 1-up at the very end of stage 3. You need to trigger all of the gold chutes in the stage and shoot the spot with your focused shot to make it appear.