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Matsuri

Re: Revenge of Shooter Games Thread
« Reply #150 on: December 10, 2009, 08:59:21 PM »
From what I've heard, you don't even need a Japanese account for the DLC card, just for Black Label when it comes out.

For the DLC card, when you're at the dashboard, press the center button on your controller, and go to the leftmost menu. There should be a 'Redeem Code' option. Use that.

Matsuri

Re: Revenge of Shooter Games Thread
« Reply #151 on: December 11, 2009, 06:53:51 AM »
From #shmups, regarding the Mushi Futari Black Label DLC:
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<Megalixir> New blog post:
<Megalixir> http://cave-game.cocolog-nifty.com/
<Megalixir> MFBL is up for download starting the night of December 11th, 2009 (JAPAN TIME), which should be 3-5 hours from the time of this post. Both Arcade and 360 mode versions are available, with online rankings and training mode also included. 1200 MSP.
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<KOAREAN> ..yeah
<KOAREAN> oh wait, you can use US pts, can you? or no
<Megalixir> i dunno
<Megalixir> i have like 1950 jp points right now
<cuilan> I don't think you can
<Megalixir> well
<Megalixir> apparently you can download futari's content
<Megalixir> on a US account
<KOAREAN> hm
<Megalixir> which means it was uploaded to the US marketplace

Here's to hoping! If it is available through the US market place, I'll be all over that tomorrow. If not, well... it'll have to wait a while :/

Re: Revenge of Shooter Games Thread
« Reply #152 on: December 11, 2009, 07:18:39 AM »
It's probably best to ask in the Shmups Forum Trading Station if someone trustworthy in Japan (like GaijinPunch) can just pick you some JP points up and PM you the code in exchange for payment through Paypal or something. It's probably cheaper and faster that way, since you don't have to pay for and deal with shipping.

Re: I need sum' help with Mame.
« Reply #153 on: December 11, 2009, 11:04:39 AM »
I'm using MAME32ip99.

To load states, either do it before the game loads or make sure that the savestate is in the folder you've set it to load savestates from(options->directories->state and pick the folder where your saves are placed) and then shift+f7 then press the number of the save it's assigned to.

The stages are almost pure streaming....if I can 1cc it AND loop it, you can too.

There is only one really huge streaming segment and that's st5.
Perfecting it gives you enough hits to loop it.

And use C-shot. Much easier when you are starting out.

I know i'm late with this reply but i tried following your instructions but it still only does this.
http://s452.photobucket.com/albums/qq250/Touhou-freak/?action=view&current=problem.jpg

Aww... Stage 3 is rape! What am i missing? Stage 3 boss is easy though... ach! This is embarassing! And a little boring too. I guess it gets more fun when i get home and can get some sound on it.

And is there some way to get any more lives? Two lives is simply unfair. And why isn't there a way to quit to the menu in order to restart in order to compensate for non-functioning savestates? My reflex when something goes wrong is usually to hit esc.  but that only results in turning off the emulator.

Wish there was a decent mame emulator. Like when playing SNES games. That ZNES emulator was great.

Overall opinion so far: Boring stages, but nice bosses. Haven't gotten very far. Failures before stage 4 is out of the question.
« Last Edit: December 11, 2009, 12:24:21 PM by Zengeku »

Matsuri

Re: Revenge of Shooter Games Thread
« Reply #154 on: December 11, 2009, 12:37:06 PM »
It's probably best to ask in the Shmups Forum Trading Station if someone trustworthy in Japan (like GaijinPunch) can just pick you some JP points up and PM you the code in exchange for payment through Paypal or something. It's probably cheaper and faster that way, since you don't have to pay for and deal with shipping.

Confirmation: You can download it with a US or UK account as well. You don't even need to use JP points!

The catch? It's 264.34MB and I don't have a hard drive yet :(

I know i'm late with this reply but i tried following your instructions but it still only does this.
http://s452.photobucket.com/albums/qq250/Touhou-freak/?action=view&current=problem.jpg

Aww... Stage 3 is rape! What am i missing? Stage 3 boss is easy though... ach! This is embarassing! And a little boring too. I guess it gets more fun when i get home and can get some sound on it.

And is there some way to get any more lives? Two lives is simply unfair. And why isn't there a way to quit to the menu in order to restart in order to compensate for non-functioning savestates? My reflex when something goes wrong is usually to hit esc.  but that only results in turning off the emulator.

Wish there was a decent mame emulator. Like when playing SNES games. That ZNES emulator was great.

Overall opinion so far: Boring stages, but nice bosses. Haven't gotten very far. Failures before stage 4 is out of the question.

Extra lives: There's one for getting 6,000,000 points, one for 20,000,000, and one near the end of stage 3: on the battleship, there are orange boxes on the sides of the ship-- destroy them all, then destroy the central command center at the very end. Really easy to do.

Decent MAME Emulator: Try Wolfmame 0.99/MAME32 Plus! 0.99. If that's what you're already using, try playing with the settings to improve it.

I'll never understand how Touhou fans can say DoDonPachi's stages are boring-- when Touhou stages are a bunch of the same shit over and over and over again too :V
« Last Edit: December 11, 2009, 12:44:57 PM by Matsuri »

Re: Revenge of Shooter Games Thread
« Reply #155 on: December 11, 2009, 02:38:08 PM »
Confirmation: You can download it with a US or UK account as well. You don't even need to use JP points!

The catch? It's 264.34MB and I don't have a hard drive yet :(

Oh, great. I wonder if the same applies to DeathSmiles as well?

Haha, oh the hard drive. :V It's just thievery how much Microsoft charges for those drives. I think when it comes time I'll pick up a used 20 gb drive from Craigslist or something. I can only seem to find 120 gb drives in stores for an upwards of $150--fuck that.


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And is there some way to get any more lives? Two lives is simply unfair.

In all, there are 7 extends in total throughout the game, including the three you begin with. That's more than adequate; unlike Touhou and other doujins, arcade shooters just doesn't throw them out like candy--they make you work your ass off for them.

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Extra lives: There's one for getting 6,000,000 points, one for 20,000,000, and one near the end of stage 3:

The extend in stage 3 can be obtained twice: once in the first loop, and once again in the second.

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And why isn't there a way to quit to the menu in order to restart in order to compensate for non-functioning savestates? My reflex when something goes wrong is usually to hit esc.  but that only results in turning off the emulator.

Fix your reflexes and don't hit Escape, for starters. In addition to what Matsuri said about getting a save-state compatible emulator, you can also find the keys to soft-reset and throttle. This way you can quickly reset the game and fast-forward your way through the opening shit.
« Last Edit: December 11, 2009, 03:01:20 PM by Aisha »

Matsuri

Re: Revenge of Shooter Games Thread
« Reply #156 on: December 11, 2009, 03:37:56 PM »
Oh, great. I wonder if the same applies to DeathSmiles as well?

I doubt it, since Deathsmiles isn't region-free.

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The extend in stage 3 can be obtained twice: once in the first loop, and once again in the second.

Baby steps, Aisha. Baby steps. :P

I think I'm in the mood for some Radirgy or Karous today. At least until tonight, if I can convince my dad or brother to let me borrow their hard drive for a while. Then it's all about Mushifutari Black Label. ;D

Re: Revenge of Shooter Games Thread
« Reply #157 on: December 11, 2009, 10:10:51 PM »
I think I'm in the mood for some Radirgy or Karous today. At least until tonight, if I can convince my dad or brother to let me borrow their hard drive for a while. Then it's all about Mushifutari Black Label. ;D

It might be better to hold off on Black Label anyway since there's apparently a bug that causes both 1.5 and Black Label to stutter occasionally. Or at least that's what I gather from Shmups Forum. Can't say how severe or widespread it is, though.

Re: Revenge of Shooter Games Thread
« Reply #158 on: December 12, 2009, 12:01:41 AM »
Still hate input lag....
F*** this, gonna go play L4D.

Matsuri

Re: Revenge of Shooter Games Thread
« Reply #159 on: December 12, 2009, 02:13:25 AM »
It might be better to hold off on Black Label anyway since there's apparently a bug that causes both 1.5 and Black Label to stutter occasionally. Or at least that's what I gather from Shmups Forum. Can't say how severe or widespread it is, though.

A lot of people have said it's so minor you can't even notice.

Besides, I could just pop out the hard drive once I get one if I want to play 1.5-- and that way Black Label should have no effect on it.

Either way, I doubt I'll be downloading tonight.

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Re: Revenge of Shooter Games Thread
« Reply #160 on: December 12, 2009, 02:22:18 AM »
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Castle of Shikigami 3 sucks despite me having high expectations for it. The back cover looked so damn awesome. But the game sucks so much.

Oh god stage 3 an those invisible blocks that will kill you until you have to continue ;-;
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ONCE.

Matsuri

Re: Revenge of Shooter Games Thread
« Reply #161 on: December 12, 2009, 02:56:25 AM »
Yeah. I was really excited for Shiki III, and don't get me wrong, I like playing it once in a while, but damn it, those stage 3 boxes are just unforgivable.

Matsuri

Re: Revenge of Shooter Games Thread
« Reply #162 on: December 12, 2009, 06:19:43 AM »
A lot of people have said it's so minor you can't even notice.

Besides, I could just pop out the hard drive once I get one if I want to play 1.5-- and that way Black Label should have no effect on it.

Either way, I doubt I'll be downloading tonight.

Okay, so I caved in.

Really liking what I see, so far. First thing I did was go straight to practice mode so I could play against Spiritual Larsa-- and it's every bit as beautiful as I expected.

Overall, Reco and Palm have their original shot types from 1.01/1.5 combined into one in BL, which means they're a lot stronger, which is really nice. However, I'm not used to how fast they move...

BL Original: Loving this even more than 1.5 Original. Everything that kind of bothered me about 1.5 Original is fixed in this mode.

BL Maniac: Still on the 'eh' side. While your scoring potential goes through the roof since you can redgauge easier, I still can't get over how fast Reco and Palm move now, and it's hard to make precision movements with an Xbox controller.

God Mode: Yeah it's still Ultra Mode, only more forgiving in that you're much more powerful :V

I'm infatuated with all of this-- 1.5, Arrange, BL... Thank you, CAVE.

Re: Revenge of Shooter Games Thread
« Reply #163 on: December 12, 2009, 07:33:47 AM »
Okay, so I caved in.

Really liking what I see, so far. First thing I did was go straight to practice mode so I could play against Spiritual Larsa-- and it's every bit as beautiful as I expected.

Overall, Reco and Palm have their original shot types from 1.01/1.5 combined into one in BL, which means they're a lot stronger, which is really nice. However, I'm not used to how fast they move...

BL Original: Loving this even more than 1.5 Original. Everything that kind of bothered me about 1.5 Original is fixed in this mode.

BL Maniac: Still on the 'eh' side. While your scoring potential goes through the roof since you can redgauge easier, I still can't get over how fast Reco and Palm move now, and it's hard to make precision movements with an Xbox controller.

God Mode: Yeah it's still Ultra Mode, only more forgiving in that you're much more powerful :V

I'm infatuated with all of this-- 1.5, Arrange, BL... Thank you, CAVE.

Haha.. I don't think I'd be able to decide which mode to play; that's a lot of options. I take it Black Label has its own set of Novice and Arrange difficulties too? Are you going to mainly dedicate yourself to one mode, or just play whatever depending on your mood?

Matsuri

Re: Revenge of Shooter Games Thread
« Reply #164 on: December 12, 2009, 07:44:24 AM »
Nah, no Novice or Arrange modes for Black Label.

And yeah, I'll just play depending on what my mood is. I won't be able to play Black Label any time I want, unfortunately, since I'm just borrowing my brother's hard drive for it. But then I can focus on 1.5, no big deal.

Ghaleon

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Re: Revenge of Shooter Games Thread
« Reply #165 on: December 12, 2009, 09:37:35 AM »
I'm infatuated with all of this-- 1.5, Arrange, BL... Thank you, CAVE.

Just curious, but the game also has like 5 difficulty settings in addition to normal, maniac, and ultra right? And the arcade ultra is basically normal ultra... So if you're a god, you can hopefully strive to play the game even HARDER than the arcade version?

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Re: Revenge of Shooter Games Thread
« Reply #166 on: December 12, 2009, 09:45:50 AM »
I always thought the ports' difficulty settings only affected the rank curve.
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Matsuri

Re: Revenge of Shooter Games Thread
« Reply #167 on: December 12, 2009, 04:29:03 PM »
Yeah, same. Either way I'm sure it's a lot harder!

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Re: Revenge of Shooter Games Thread
« Reply #168 on: December 12, 2009, 04:48:27 PM »
Okay I just have to know: What's with the arrange mode? I looked up a video because I was curious to see the 360 version, and I was met with a video of someone defeating Larsa...with what seemed to be an everlasting shield that repelled bullets. Like, it never went away. What's with that?
nintendonut888: Hey Baity. I beat the high score for Sanae B hard on the score.dat you sent me. X3
Baity: For a moment, I thought you broke 1.1billion. Upon looking at my score.dat, I can assume that you destroyed the score that is my failed (first!) 1cc attempt on my first day of playing. Congratulations.

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Matsuri

Re: Revenge of Shooter Games Thread
« Reply #169 on: December 12, 2009, 05:05:10 PM »
It does go away if you don't keep the inactive player's counter up.

In Arrange mode, there are 2 counters/meters on the bottom of the screen. One for Reco, and one for Palm. Your bullet reflection ability is always based on the inactive player's counter. Once it hits 0, that character can no longer reflect until you raise their counter again. To do that, you switch characters, and any point item you get as that character recharges your counter, while you use the counter you were increasing while you were using the character you were using before you switched.

For example,
Say Reco is the active character with 1000 counter, and Palm is the inactive (read: Reflecting) character with 5000 counter. Reflect bullets using Palm, and each reflected bullet will cause a stream of falling point items. Because of this, it's best to let bullets accumulate in your force fields before you send them flying. Doing this properly will give Reco's meter a nice boost. Keep in mind that (well, it seems) that the more bullets you send off, the more the reflecting character's counter decreases. Once Palm's counter is completely gone, he can't reflect anymore. But since you've been charging Reco's counter, you switch to her and repeat the process.

That's the basics of it, really-- but playing like this won't net you a very good score.

In Mushihimesama Futari, there are 2 colors of point items. In arrange mode in particular, the green ones will charge your counters as well as your multiplier counter at the top of the screen. You get that by using your unfocused shot, and by reflecting bullets. There are also 2 sizes of point items as well, small and large. You get small ones by reflecting bullets, and you get both small and large ones depending on what you're destroying with your unfocused shot.

However, the blue items are the ones where the score comes from. You get these by shooting enemies (and bosses) with your focused shot. The catch is, your reflective barrier is always active when you're using your focused shot, and it depletes fast when you use it. So what you want to do is balance how you use your shots so you can not only increase counters, but survive as well-- and score when you can.

If you manage to get both characters' counters to 9999 at once (really easy in Ultra Mode), you can trigger 'Fever Mode', where both characters' counters decrease to 0, but every point item you get is large instead of small. When you're in this mode, it's best to just hold down your focused shot and cash in for points while reflecting bullets at the same time to get a major multiplier counter boost.

It's all really confusing, but once you play it, it makes a lot more sense. Overall, it's a risk-reward sort of thing. In Arrange mode, you can take it easy and make sure your characters can always reflect, or you can take a risk and cash in for score.

Oh-- and Arrange modes have Autobomb enabled-- which makes it a lot easier.

Arrange Ultra is still a nightmare if you don't know what you're doing, though :V
« Last Edit: December 12, 2009, 05:07:30 PM by Matsuri »

nintendonut888

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Re: Revenge of Shooter Games Thread
« Reply #170 on: December 12, 2009, 05:21:32 PM »
I...see. I wasn't aware Cave has grown so soft on their fans. :V

Personally I just want Cave to release an anthology containing nothing but all the TLBs they've made over the years. I'd buy THAT.
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Matsuri

Re: Revenge of Shooter Games Thread
« Reply #171 on: December 12, 2009, 06:07:51 PM »
Haha, what? Soft?

Ultra mode will still bend you over and make you its bitch.

On the first level.

Arrange mode is for the less-skilled to have fun and for the more skilled to score-attack. Ultra and God mode are still plenty challenging.

nintendonut888

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Re: Revenge of Shooter Games Thread
« Reply #172 on: December 12, 2009, 06:10:26 PM »
Giving you an invincibility shield that if used right can make even ultra mode and TLB Larsa your bitch = Soft, even if it is a tradeoff for score. That video I saw showed the guy just standing still and taking all of Larsa's attacks, on ultra no less.
nintendonut888: Hey Baity. I beat the high score for Sanae B hard on the score.dat you sent me. X3
Baity: For a moment, I thought you broke 1.1billion. Upon looking at my score.dat, I can assume that you destroyed the score that is my failed (first!) 1cc attempt on my first day of playing. Congratulations.

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Matsuri

Re: Revenge of Shooter Games Thread
« Reply #173 on: December 12, 2009, 06:24:05 PM »
It's not really meant to be challenging. It's meant to be fun and easy. Seriously, I'd love to hear you say that CAVE is going soft and play even the first stage of Ultra mode, which is already pretty much harder than anything DoDonPachi 2nd loop will ever throw at you. :P

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Re: Revenge of Shooter Games Thread
« Reply #174 on: December 12, 2009, 07:09:47 PM »
I...see. I wasn't aware Cave has grown so soft on their fans. :V

Personally I just want Cave to release an anthology containing nothing but all the TLBs they've made over the years. I'd buy THAT.

No offense but that's a fairly dumb opinion. I mean, arrange mode doesn't sound as appealing to me either, but it's simply an option, you don't HAVE to play it, you can play normal mode with no reflecting bullets too. Having an extra option doesn't make a game worse you silly doof.

Re: Revenge of Shooter Games Thread
« Reply #175 on: December 12, 2009, 07:56:06 PM »
Hay guyz I can set my starting lives to 7 in IN and bomb my way through all of lunatic wow ZUN must be getting soft



Oh and since I've had some free time today and yesterday, I played some Cho Ren Sha and got to the TLB for the first time.  Funnily enough, since the last time I did a run was several months ago and I didn't get past 2-1.  I'd underestimated how important keeping your shield up was.
« Last Edit: December 12, 2009, 07:59:58 PM by Azinth »

Re: Revenge of Shooter Games Thread
« Reply #176 on: December 12, 2009, 08:55:39 PM »
Hay guyz I can set my starting lives to 7 in IN and bomb my way through all of lunatic wow ZUN must be getting soft

I'm seriously considering doing this just so I can practice Kaguya with my team of choice.

Matsuri

Re: Revenge of Shooter Games Thread
« Reply #177 on: December 12, 2009, 08:59:15 PM »
Just played against Spiritual Larsa again. She's definitely the easiest CAVE TLB, since I beat her with 2 bombs and 2 deaths, but getting to her is damn near impossible.

That said, it's one of the most beautiful things I've ever seen in a shmup. Ever.

nintendonut888

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Re: Revenge of Shooter Games Thread
« Reply #178 on: December 12, 2009, 09:07:17 PM »
Apparently I said that wrong. I'm not saying the game is any worse for it, it's just that Cave has a reputation of never going easy on the player, at all.
nintendonut888: Hey Baity. I beat the high score for Sanae B hard on the score.dat you sent me. X3
Baity: For a moment, I thought you broke 1.1billion. Upon looking at my score.dat, I can assume that you destroyed the score that is my failed (first!) 1cc attempt on my first day of playing. Congratulations.

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Re: Revenge of Shooter Games Thread
« Reply #179 on: December 13, 2009, 01:28:21 AM »
A lot of ultra mode seems trial and error based, doesn't it? (Just stating it, not complaining)