Author Topic: So... Hello, and does anyone want to have a UNL match?  (Read 1819 times)

Fruggles

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So... Hello, and does anyone want to have a UNL match?
« on: December 01, 2009, 10:59:06 PM »
First of all, hello, this is my first post on this forum, and didn't really see a better place to put this, so sorry if it's in the wrong place. I just recently started playing SWR and UNL (mostly only UNL now) and they are my first/only Touhou games I've played so far. I was wondering if there was any active community for netplaying on UNL, since it gets pretty boring without anyone to play. I've went to the #hitsouten irc channel, but it was always empty :(.This place looks like a place for Touhou games, though I don't see many threads related to UNL, and I don't know how active this forum is. So, I was wondering if anyone would like to netplay me on UNL (but before that a little guide as to what to do to start a netplay match would be nice, since I've never netplayed before) and see how good I actually am, though I can only sometimes beat a Lunatic com, so don't expect much :-\. Right now I can only use the bunny girl (forgot her name :-\) effectively and am working on using Marissa, but I'm not very good with her yet, so if we do play together expect me to use the bunny girl.
So... thanks for reading, I know it's a lot of text, and hopefully we can play a couple games of UNL.  :D

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Re: So... Hello, and does anyone want to have a UNL match?
« Reply #1 on: December 02, 2009, 01:25:22 AM »
Welcome to the boards. I'm not sure if there's an exact rule for this either, however I'm pretty sure a "go to the irc" idea is common. The name list there is misleading, as you probably experienced already. Just keep checking periodically, people do show up.

So, I was wondering if anyone would like to netplay me on UNL (but before that a little guide as to what to do to start a netplay match would be nice, since I've never netplayed before
I'm afraid I don't know much about the hosting process either, as none of my ports appear to be open (damn University Internet...). But if someone else is hosting, just enter the port number they're using. The SWR Wiki has an explanation of what each option in the Vs. Network menu is, so you know which one to select.

and see how good I actually am, though I can only sometimes beat a Lunatic com, so don't expect much :-\.
I can't say it's fair to judge someone by what level CPU they can beat (thus I currently have no opinion about you regardless of your performance against CPUs). You see, I'm a strong advocate of the idea that (high-difficulty) computer opponents in fighting games are fundamentally detrimental to one's skill. Here are my reasons:

Where CPUs excel
- They have frame-perfect execution for every move (attack or not), so they'll move as fast as the game can possibly allow.
- They react to anything you do instantly. Thus, they cannot be mindgamed in the traditional sense (i.e. anything that's not a frame trap).

Where CPUs suck
- They don't appear to have any real sense of stage control. Outside of pushing you to the edge after they win a round, they won't actively try to corner you, nor will they realize when you are trying to corner them. When you are cornered, the only "blockstrings" they use appear to just be their Dial-A-Combo and occasionally bullets (which can be grazed through).
- Their in-game strategies are usually not what you'll see humans use, nor will this teach you to handle any of those done by humans. Only playing against other people will do that.
- In spite of their unbridled speed in execution and reaction, CPUs are predictable, not to mention that they never learn from their mistakes (I can't tell you how many times CPU Aya has tried to j.2A me, only for my Utsuho to 3A her back out). In trying to beat a CPU, you'll often finding yourself developing some incredibly bad habits that work on computers but not on humans (thus your habits will get you destroyed in an actual match).

Forgive the rant, though I hope this will give you more incentive to battle other humans. Trying to play "normally" against a high-level CPU is near suicide because of the above reasons. Playing against humans is definitely the best way to get better. If all else fails, play a Normal (or Easy) CPU to practice your tech skill only.

Right now I can only use the bunny girl (forgot her name :-\) effectively and am working on using Marissa, but I'm not very good with her yet, so if we do play together expect me to use the bunny girl.
The "bunny girl" is Reisen. Don't worry, I just recently memorized everyone in the cast myself (I'm somewhat new to Touhou too).

By the way, Esoterica is hosting a UNL tournament soon. If you're interested, sign up before he finalizes the brackets (by the way, a lack of personal skill shouldn't deter you from entering; if anything, you'll learn more about how the game works).
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Re: So... Hello, and does anyone want to have a UNL match?
« Reply #2 on: December 08, 2009, 06:56:02 AM »
Oh how true this is. This is why I don't really boast about being able to beat it on Lunatic like my friend does sometimes. Because I just kick my friends butt. Also Hey As you can see I'm a china player. It left a small permanent scar on me though in IAMP because I learned how to play the game with China. But ever since her new moves and upgrades she is great! I'll try to fix up my router so I can host on my own but I am available for a large amount of time most of the days. Just contact me on one of my messengers or something. And also Welcome!
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