Author Topic: Touhou RAGE Thread (Read 176860 times)

nintendonut888 · « **Reply #600 on:** June 23, 2009, 06:43:50 AM »

But EoSD stage 4 is easy...discounting the books of course.

Patchy's tough, but I'd put her about even with Sakuya or even just a bit above, but not at extra or final level.

LHCling · « **Reply #601 on:** June 23, 2009, 06:56:32 AM »

It'd be nice if I didn't clip the same spot 3 times in a row, and had to restart because I lost ~130k Faith. Stupid Hina.

RainfallYoshi · « **Reply #602 on:** June 23, 2009, 07:07:33 AM »

Any other time I would have been able to beat Patchcouli no problem, other than maybe 1 bomb.

Arrrrgh!

I will get to meet Flandre some day.

Ghaleon · « **Reply #603 on:** June 23, 2009, 07:58:15 AM »

Quote from: nintendere888 on June 23, 2009, 06:43:50 AM

But EoSD stage 4 is easy...discounting the books of course. Patchy's tough, but I'd put her about even with Sakuya or even just a bit above, but not at extra or final level.

stage 4 isn't easy.. it might be easy if you played touhou for years, but otherwise it's like the hardest stage ever. I still have to guarantee wasting a bomb on so many areas of it even if I play well beyond my ability because I haven't quite memorized the exact positioning of it yet.. sigh. Kinda like Flandre's levatien card. If you haven't seen it before, pretty much no matter how good you are, you WILL get pwnt. I still die or waste needless bombs on the part with the red books that shoot lasers (I always forget about it.. sigh), and the part where the aimed shooting spread shot spark thingies spawn mid left, middle, far left, far right, mid right, middle, far right, far left (I hope that makes sense). I mean doing it is easy once I'm in it, but I always always always screw up positioning myself for it beforehand.. sigh.. Then there is the part with one book, a buncha sparks on one side, and the fairy that kills all bullets when it dies on the other side. I still haven't figured out a safe way to get from one side to the other without being swarmed with bullets. blahh.

Basically it's a total memorization stage, that if you haven't memorized, you get rolled. Even if you have, I don't see how you can think any other stage is harder.

nintendonut888 · « **Reply #604 on:** June 23, 2009, 08:36:03 AM »

I can beat stage 4 easily without dying (up 'till Patchy at least), and it's entirely feasible to do it on one bomb (for the books). You're right, it's mostly memorization. However, once you memorize it, it's easy forever.

EDIT: Also, note that I've only been playing for 1.5 years, so it's hardly a time-based thing.

LHCling · « **Reply #605 on:** June 23, 2009, 08:46:54 AM »

Hooray for upping my MoF Extra run from 748 mil to 758 mil. "Froggy Braves the Elements" destroyed my score, rewarding me a well-earned clipdeath (~700k Faith -> 450k Faith). The 2nd survival Spell Card also performed a wall on me.

Stages 3 and 4 for MoF are now the most RAGE-inducing stages, being full of clipdeath zones while scoring, as well as being the most crucial for scoring. Like really, with no "buffer bombs", I'm ending up restarting (or ending with a very low score) every single run I've attempted today (which is about 40). I think I'll alter my scoring method, for a more score-safe run.

I've had runs with:
400k Faith -> 200k Faith (Stage 3)
700k Faith -> 300k Faith (Stage 4)

EDIT: ...so now with buffer bombs in place, I can actually get going. Hooray for ridiculous amounts of Faith. Now if Sanae's opener wasn't so full of garbage...

Nuclear Fusion · « **Reply #606 on:** June 23, 2009, 04:12:06 PM »

Quote from: nintendere888 on June 23, 2009, 06:43:50 AM

But EoSD stage 4 is easy...discounting the books of course. Patchy's tough, but I'd put her about even with Sakuya or even just a bit above, but not at extra or final level.

A week ago I would have called you a liar and yelled at you.

Now, I'm inclined to agree with you. Book spam aside, it's really an easy stage.

Azinth · « **Reply #607 on:** June 23, 2009, 06:42:57 PM »

Banshiryuu c74. a;dkjf;lakjsd;gh;lasdjf;lksda this game is so goddamn STUPID.

How's this for the most hilariously retarded gimmick in the history of shmups: The stage 2 boss' final attack involves him spreading a bunch of bombs all over the field while he attacks you. If you happen to accidentally shoot down one of the bombs, you get a fucking game over. It doesn't matter how many lives or even how many continues you have. The game just ends. That's just... wow. The sheer stupidity of it is simply awe-inspiring.

nintendonut888 · « **Reply #608 on:** June 23, 2009, 06:45:18 PM »

...So Banshiryuu is a GOOD game? -_- Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't the final boss also one big survival attack?

Azinth · « **Reply #609 on:** June 23, 2009, 06:56:02 PM »

BSR has two versions, C67 and C74, and they're pretty much completely different games-different boss attacks, stages, scoring systems, everything. C67, the earlier one, is pretty good, though the bullet patterns are different and sort of an acquired taste (and it's depressingly hard T_T). It's the one with the timeout final boss (and oh god she's bullshit).

C74, however, is horribly planned out, with the attacks divided equally between memorization-gimmick crap like the example above, or undodgeable attacks that are pretty much made to be bombed through. It's not fun at all, and I wouldn't recommend it to anyone really.

nintendonut888 · « **Reply #610 on:** June 23, 2009, 07:02:14 PM »

Ah, I see. ;>_> So they realized that they made a decent game and figured they had to make it worse? I also recall now from a friend on GameFAQs who's tried it that it breaks one of those cardinal sins (I should compile a list of all these...) of shmups and has bullets come from below you. It's enraging enough in Genetics of the Subconscious, I can't imagine what it'd be like there.

Drake · « **Reply #611 on:** June 23, 2009, 07:21:31 PM »

Quote from: nintendere888 on June 23, 2009, 07:02:14 PM

bullets come from below you

Raiden

Raiden

...Raiden

EDIT: y dis hapn
Peeved about the no-replay-for-you thing, I try to record live. I get to Utsuho's 2nd non, and OH HEY HERE'S A BUNCH OF SLOWDOWN FOR YOU LOL. I open up processes to see what it is; it's just a random lag spike. I click the game, and it quits itself.
orz

Nuclear Fusion · « **Reply #612 on:** June 23, 2009, 07:51:16 PM »

I hate Yukari so much right now. Why I can't clear her anymore is beyond me.

Silentsword · « **Reply #613 on:** June 23, 2009, 10:58:25 PM »

Discovering - the hard way, as usual - that EoSD does NOT prohibit bullets from spawning within the hitbox, resulting in instant death. Then failing to recall this at other times...

Curse you, Flandre...

Nuclear Fusion · « **Reply #614 on:** June 23, 2009, 11:40:40 PM »

I find myself going "WARNING! WARNING! BULL**** ATTACK!" everytime I do Peerless Wind God.

That being said, screw you Peerless Wind God. I have captured you twice on other people's computers. Why can I not get you on my own?

Capture Rate of Peerless Wind BS: 1/12

Capture Rate of Terukuni: 0/8

I know you are an easy card, Cork Sign. But screw you.

stargroup · « **Reply #615 on:** June 24, 2009, 02:57:46 AM »

cork is a really annoying card for me because I would get into a rhythm, but there's a certain point where the pattern throws off the rhythm and I have to do an insane dodge with ridiculous timing and I can't break my habit so my capture rate for that card is like 1/53593801985135

theshirn · « **Reply #616 on:** June 25, 2009, 03:12:37 AM »

MRGFRGN

MS Hard. Goes fine until a lousy clipdeath on Alice, then everything proceeds as normal until Mai and Yuki.

FOUR DEATHS IN A ROW, GAME OVER. I didn't even get to one or the other, I died on the double phase. Considering that I PERFECTED them the other night, I'm more than a little bit PISSED.

Extra goes no better. Died on the circles of death right before Alice...JUST early enough to have to bomb anyway. Her opener then kills me twice, and I die almost immediately to her second phase.

Um. Rage.

Generalguy · « **Reply #617 on:** June 25, 2009, 03:22:44 AM »

When you try to show someone how to play the Touhou games, and they can't bomb. Not because their keyboard is broken, but because they're idiots.

If I tell you this spellcard is hard (for easy anyway) and that you should bomb it, don't wait to be hit. Or, at least, deathbomb. YOU'RE PLAYING IMPERISHABLE NIGHT WITH THE BORDER TEAM AND YOU HAVE 5 BOMBS IN STOCK, YOU HAVE NO FREAKING REASON TO DIE! ESPECIALLY IF IT'S THE TENTH TIME THIS HAPPENS, AND I JUST TOLD YOU TO USE YOUR GODDAMN BOMBS!

Seriously, I just give up after about 10 seconds, otherwise I'd have to resist the urge to strangle them. It's like they're wasting my time on purpose. I highly doubt they have a reaction time over 1 second.

On a less angry note, my 12-years-old sister has better PoFV runs than I do. I think she got the closest to a no-death run, failing to Shiki, who had half an orb left. She really should try IN again. She got to Eirin's last spellcard twice.

Zengar Zombolt · « **Reply #618 on:** June 25, 2009, 10:36:28 AM »

OK, tonight's just retarded. All was well, I had beater Reisen, and was going straight for my sixth FinalB clear to unlock one of the last word. What do I do?

I pick FinalA.

RAAAAAAGEEEEEE.

Ionasal kkll Solciel · « **Reply #619 on:** June 25, 2009, 10:19:17 PM »

GAH Imperishable Shooting.

More particularly, the fact that I don't twitch far enough to dodge a bullet as it reaches its furthest point, especially on the staggered set.

There's a sub-rage to this, but I'm not going to bring that up.

Azinth · « **Reply #620 on:** June 25, 2009, 11:43:55 PM »

IN stage 4B makes me rage.
-Why do I always (like 1/3 of the time) fail Asteroid Belt when it has about a pixel of health left?
-Why is Marisa's second noncard such an insufferable pile of bullshit? Is it even beatable without using the Border Team?
-Why do I keep having deaths to the easy-ass stage portion from bullets I can't even see?
-Why do I have an 11/31 capture count for Shoot the Fucking Moon?

Arcengal · « **Reply #621 on:** June 26, 2009, 02:41:43 PM »

Quote from: Azinth on June 25, 2009, 11:43:55 PM

-Why do I have an 11/31 capture count for Shoot the Fucking Moon?

Still better than my 2/whatever history. StM always seems to laser me to death without warning.

Also, are there clinics for people who can't beat Hourai Elixir L? The last five seconds just seem like utter luck-based insanity.

Nuclear Fusion · « **Reply #622 on:** June 26, 2009, 05:30:39 PM »

EoSD Lunatic.

Stage 2: Died with 4 bombs (WHAT THE HELL. I crashed into a fairy. This was after a run where I got hit by the white spirits... twice)

Stage 3: No deaths, three bombs. Wow, okay, that's pretty good.

Stage 4: Two deaths. I only died ONCE on patchy, and only had to bomb once on the second NDL. All crads captured. I was thrilled. 4 lives going into stage 5. I was set.

Stage 5: Dead three times before I even got to midboss Sakuya.

FFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFF

The run made it to Killing Doll.

LHCling · « **Reply #623 on:** June 27, 2009, 01:08:15 AM »

"Homing bug" is ridiculous.

Guess how many times I've died on Stage 4 MoF because of it?

nintendonut888 · « **Reply #624 on:** June 27, 2009, 01:17:45 AM »

Homing bug? Never heard of it. Do elaborate.

I guess this is something...I was watching a run of Story of Eastern Wind for kicks, and noticed how the person did the green spam attack I previously thought to be impossible. So I go into SoEW hard to see if it's the same there, spend 10 minutes getting there, and messed up my positioning so I can't see if it would work in the first place (since it only is shot once). I also did horrendous on the run, but since I was only testing this I didn't really care.

LHCling · « **Reply #625 on:** June 27, 2009, 01:33:52 AM »

Quote from: nintendonut888 on June 27, 2009, 01:17:45 AM

Homing bug? Never heard of it. Do elaborate.

It comes in a few forms, but can be put into categories:

-Homing vs. Invulnerable enemies
-Homing does not lock on

First one isn't exactly a bug, but it's frustrating enough to deal with. An example is in MS Extra.

The second one can be found in this replay. It occurs after the post-Momizi BS walls, and only at those (2) points. It can be remedied by moving underneath the enemy for a second, but for scoring purposes, I need to run circles around the screen, so...

Sentinel · « **Reply #626 on:** June 27, 2009, 04:55:33 AM »

So I'm trying to put something resembling a score run on PCB Phantasm with Reimu, and I manage to get to Yukari's survival card with 3 lives and 6 bombs. The first bullets of the lines come into existence, and I'm like, "Pfft, this is so easy" -smack- "Fuuuuuuuuuck. Okay, okay, still 2 lives left, I can sort of salvage this" -smack- "Goddammit"

In seven seconds I ruined my best run of Phantasm ever.

LHCling · « **Reply #627 on:** June 27, 2009, 06:28:00 AM »

http://replays.gensokyou.org/download.php?id=3719

I attempted to salvage a scorerun where I bombed too much in Stage 4, forcing myself to die for power, ending with 1.5 billion points.

Now it makes me wonder how well I would've done if I didn't bomb the (extra) two times, plus suicide, which reduced my Faith by ~260k. Massive score loss because the start of Stage 5 has a crapton of Point Items. It was either die there (at the end of Stage 4), and collect the falling Point Items at the end of Stage 4 and the start of Stage 5 with a reduced value, or run the risk of dying to Aya.

And I bombed "VoWG", near the end ;_;

Note: replay may desync (for you) because I use the "Vsync Patch" on the Japanese executable.

EDIT: Rank 11th if I put this up on the Japanese scoreboards.

EDIT 2: Oh wow, now that I look at the theory behind my scoring flaws, barring the obvious mistakes (i.e. mistakes that I have never known about), I should be able to break the 2 billion score boundary. That shall be my new goal... but I'm pushing it a bit already. The current (world) record only barely passes it.

Krimmydoodle · « **Reply #628 on:** June 27, 2009, 07:13:51 AM »

I've failed Components of Konpaku once today.

Of course, it was the one run today I also capped Hell God Sword (and everything else).

Fuck my nerves.

Edit: tack on a fail to Asura Sword. Yes, Asura Sword.

Garlyle · « **Reply #629 on:** June 27, 2009, 08:27:38 AM »

Quote

I was watching a run of Story of Eastern Wind for kicks, and noticed how the person did the green spam attack I previously thought to be impossible.

Wait, which stage? ...More to the point of my ego, was it my run!?

Actually, speaking of SoEWind, "Hard" (Actually Lunatic) can go suck monkey eggs. The bosses aren't even that bad - it's the epic bullcrap outputted by the stages!