Author Topic: Touhou RAGE Thread (Read 176860 times)

theshirn · « **Reply #570 on:** June 19, 2009, 11:11:50 PM »

Thanks, Baity. Excessive trying to follow.

I meant the last part of the stage for MS, not the last part of Alice. The circles that shoot at you? Like at the end of PCB's extra? Pattern would be nice.

LHCling · « **Reply #571 on:** June 19, 2009, 11:15:23 PM »

Quote from: theshim on June 19, 2009, 11:11:50 PM

Thanks, Baity. Excessive trying to follow.

I meant the last part of the stage for MS, not the last part of Alice. The circles that shoot at you? Like at the end of PCB's extra? Pattern would be nice.

Bomb bomb bomb bomb bomb.

I can never do it. The final part of it I'm still trying to work out. It's aimed, but in a very peculiar way.

I've gotten to the last second of it, then die. Every single time.

nintendonut888 · « **Reply #572 on:** June 19, 2009, 11:20:55 PM »

I've beaten that attack about 4 times, and every time I haven't the slightest idea how. It...actually seems aimed AWAY from you at points, yet whenever I test that it's most definitely aimed at you. I've even found a video showing how to do it, but it doesn't explain HOW he does it.

LHCling · « **Reply #573 on:** June 19, 2009, 11:29:10 PM »

Quote from: nintendonut888 on June 19, 2009, 11:20:55 PM

I've beaten that attack about 4 times, and every time I haven't the slightest idea how. It...actually seems aimed AWAY from you at points, yet whenever I test that it's most definitely aimed at you. I've even found a video showing how to do it, but it doesn't explain HOW he does it.

Done it once. And only once by sheer luck. Every other time is... death / bomb.

Anyway, today's moment goes to... this.

Like seriously. Why!?

EDIT: Luck =/= surviving it. By never, I don't count that one passing in my hundreds of attempts.

theshirn · « **Reply #574 on:** June 19, 2009, 11:54:11 PM »

ARGLEBARGLEFRARGLE ALICE STOP IT WITH THE LASERS AAAARRRRGH

LHCling · « **Reply #575 on:** June 20, 2009, 08:28:04 AM »

Today is a bad day after all.

No real accomplishment made ;_;

-LLS Extra failed (for the first time in weeks)
-MS Extra failed
-MS Hard failed
-etc.

... ...great. Add a PoFV Normal failed as well.

Zengar Zombolt · « **Reply #576 on:** June 20, 2009, 11:50:19 AM »

...Another LOL I SUCK day. I can't even tackle Momiji properly, what's wrong with me?
PS: Not even using MarisaBugged... ;_;

Hououin Kyouma · « **Reply #577 on:** June 20, 2009, 02:22:00 PM »

NOOO! I was playing PoFV on normal then i went to the last stage. I only had one life left and the boss only had one life then i died :V

Kanako Yasaka · « **Reply #578 on:** June 20, 2009, 02:34:23 PM »

I was playing MS, wanting to unlock extra with Marisa. I was 1LCing until Yuki and Mai, where I died THREE TIMES IN A ROW. I then ragequit. :|

bjw · « **Reply #579 on:** June 21, 2009, 01:46:29 AM »

Long ass break from playing Touhou => inability to capture Marisa's Event Horizon

I can get Asteroid Belt and her 2nd noncard though :/

nintendonut888 · « **Reply #580 on:** June 21, 2009, 02:14:35 AM »

For some reason, I've forgotten how to do Embers of Love. It's really frustrating because I KNOW I'm capable of beating the stage no deaths, but doing what I used to do no longer works. Anyone mind reminding me how to deal with this phallic spell card?

LHCling · « **Reply #581 on:** June 21, 2009, 04:37:10 AM »

I did it! I did it! I- *clip*

GODDAMMIT!

Clipped the very last of the bullets for the MS Extra pre-boss waves. Where it is not dense at all. I now have a method of dealing with it. It is hard to explain though.

brb finishing off my No-Bomb run. Pray that I make it through.

theshirn · « **Reply #582 on:** June 21, 2009, 04:39:10 AM »

To all you guys who have said how it's much easier when you come back after a break -

LIARS!

I tried EoSD Lunatic. Game overed before Koakuma. Suwako's expression is my own right now.

LHCling · « **Reply #583 on:** June 21, 2009, 04:44:40 AM »

And back...

1 bomb clear MS Extra. Only because I missed my timing on the 2nd last phase, and got boxed. Other than that, it would've been ~~perfect~~ truly no-bomb.

Screenshot to come. Oh, and a good score somehow.

So close to No-Bomb... Stupid mistake.

EDIT:

@'nut: ~~working out the exact workings of "Embers of Love". I got about 70% in my head. Though, it may as well be just "pure" dodging.~~

It's a two-step cycle. Fire missiles forward, fire missiles sideways. Though, I'm not entirely sure if Koishi's movements can be manipulated. That about covers it.

Forgot "Elly Rape Time":

Not as fast but damn.

nintendonut888 · « **Reply #584 on:** June 21, 2009, 10:09:04 PM »

You mean Elly has a timeout attack too? Or is that simply her "wait WTF" final attack where everything becomes really dense?

LHCling · « **Reply #585 on:** June 21, 2009, 10:16:41 PM »

Quote from: nintendere888 on June 21, 2009, 10:09:04 PM

You mean Elly has a timeout attack too? Or is that simply her "wait WTF" final attack where everything becomes really dense?

It's the latter. Although it did happen ever so suddenly, which leads me to think it's like one of the timeout attacks. Unlike Orange's gradual buildup, or Kurumi's (semi-)constant spam.

Nuclear Fusion · « **Reply #586 on:** June 22, 2009, 09:05:55 PM »

Arrrrrrrrrrg

EoSD Lunatic. I can now consistently get to Illusional Misdirection. Always die on it. Because I have no bombs left when I get there.

What makes this so frustrating is that no matter how well or poorly I do before, I can no consistently get there. If I do great on stage 3, Patchy rapes me. And because I've convinced myself I can cap all her cards, I die with a minimum of two bombs in stock.

Bombing feels like cheating.

nintendonut888 · « **Reply #587 on:** June 22, 2009, 09:31:49 PM »

I'll tell you what I was told, what I learned, and what I've been passing along to everyone else who tries lunatic: Bomb. Those beautiful runs that perfect a stage or have almost no deaths? Those are done by the best players around. You? You have not even beaten lunatic. Before you can focus on making an aesthetic run, you first need to clear the game. This involves using bombs to pass the parts that give you trouble.

Ghaleon · « **Reply #588 on:** June 22, 2009, 09:53:42 PM »

Quote from: Nuclear Fusion on June 22, 2009, 09:05:55 PM

Arrrrrrrrrrg

EoSD Lunatic. I can now consistently get to Illusional Misdirection. Always die on it. Because I have no bombs left when I get there.

What makes this so frustrating is that no matter how well or poorly I do before, I can no consistently get there. If I do great on stage 3, Patchy rapes me. And because I've convinced myself I can cap all her cards, I die with a minimum of two bombs in stock.

Bombing feels like cheating.

Yeah I know how you feel, but one time I watched someone do a lunatic 1cc. and I thought as I watched it "gee I can do better than that, he's bombing EVERYTHING"... then I said to myself "well...do better than that then, don't try to do perfect, just do better than THAT, and I can do this".

So I did.

If you can get past stage 3 without dying, you pretty much can bomb every spellcard in the game after that point. Work on making your run look good after you do that once.

LHCling · « **Reply #589 on:** June 22, 2009, 10:08:36 PM »

SoEW rage.

My God Mima is full of WTF moments. Opening attack (read: my bane of all games, up to this point; saw it, tried to dodge it, failed) took me by complete surprise. Died, with 2 bombs in stock.

Shortly after that, I bombed again, fearing lasers. Nope, it was an aimed charging attack.

Bomb, bomb, die, bomb, bomb, die with bombs in stock, etc. etc.

Then that "BS" star wall appeared. I can see what 'nut's complaining about now. It's streaming, but where Mima positions herself is what makes it survivable. Not good if she's below the halfway point (which she usually is), and you're still dodging bullets.

For the record, I entered with 3 lives and 2 bombs. I ended up burning 3 lives (and a hefty amount of bombs) at Marisa. Also, I died at the 5 Magic Stones with 4 bombs in stock. I pre-bombed, seeing myself in the trajectory of LOL-laser, but that wasn't fast enough.

In short:
-Marisa is complete garbage, much like LLS' version.
-Mima is complete garbage. And that attack which gives you an Extend!, it's great and all, but it would be nice if I didn't have to bomb to get it. Random boss moment, a few ridiculous attack patterns (read: unexpected), etc.

-Guess I should practice more.

nintendonut888 · « **Reply #590 on:** June 22, 2009, 10:11:34 PM »

Wait, you mean the star wall is conceivably beatable on hard/lunatic? Do tell, please.

LHCling · « **Reply #591 on:** June 22, 2009, 10:51:40 PM »

Quote from: nintendere888 on June 22, 2009, 10:11:34 PM

Wait, you mean the star wall is conceivably beatable on hard/lunatic? Do tell, please.

Quote from: BaitySM on June 22, 2009, 10:08:36 PM

It's streaming, but where Mima positions herself is what makes it survivable. Not good if she's below the halfway point (which she usually is), and you're still dodging bullets.

First off, I do hope I have the correct attack pattern, because this is the only one I saw that was truly impossible for my given scenario.

Possible, but definitely not practical (much like various other Final Stage Lunatic's, especially for PC-98).

Pray that Mima isn't in the lower half of the screen, directly above you, or in the middle with you in a corner. If this is the case, be prepared to bomb. Streaming will get (most likely, 98%) you killed, because of the slow moving streamed stars which follow up. This happened to myself after, just after she locked onto Reimu, and started trailing nonsense.

If Mima is in the lower half of the screen, and not directly above you, then it would be entirely possible (I hope...). Stream by moving "away" from Mima, keeping note to stay as close to the stars as possible. Somewhat difficult if you decide to use that shot type.

You may also want to consider moving to the top of the screen, but I'm not entirely convinced that is the best method.

Now that I've looked at it several times, it isn't just streaming... It's more like dodge the really dense stars which bounce like crap all over the place. I would recommend redirecting the attack to the side, if possible.

Here we go! Attempt #2...

EDIT: I can't see what the 5 Magic Stones are shooting. Death, followed by death, followed by death. I even did a forced suicide to replenish my bombs (instead of getting +1 bomb, I get +2).

EDIT 2: WTF 2 bomb clear of Marisa. With "Offensive" Reimu. The damage is great and all, but the Stages are rage-inducing with this type.

So looking back, this counts as an apparent hit on me:

nintendonut888 · « **Reply #592 on:** June 23, 2009, 01:50:21 AM »

I've said it before and I'll say it again: Those bullets are shit. As that screenshot proves, they have hitboxes larger than the bullets, and combined with the lack of focus makes every attack involving them almost impossible to dodge. Worse is that Evil Eye Sigma's last phase involves spamming purely those bullets in its second part.

theshirn · « **Reply #593 on:** June 23, 2009, 02:28:21 AM »

Quote from: nintendere888 on June 22, 2009, 09:31:49 PM

You? You have not even beaten lunatic.

Well, he actually has beaten PCB Lunatic into the ground...but yeah, the point still stands as far as EoSD is concerned.

Also: AAARGH STUPID ALICE

EDIT: GODDAMNIT IKAHASA'S MOON CURSE WHAT THE HELL

I think I've capped it...twice. In a lot of tries. Also annoying is Keine's first card (which I manage to suicide over and over) and WTF clipdeath on Honest Man's Death. When clipdeath Honest Man's Death, break it is time you must take.

Nuclear Fusion · « **Reply #594 on:** June 23, 2009, 03:52:01 AM »

Hey cool, I've got somebody to defend my honour.

Thanks theshim!

Also, got to Killing Doll. Total bombs lost in the run - 8. Further rage enduced when trying to capture Eternal Meek after a continue, and getting her down to no bar left before dying. I wanted to cry.

I think I've figured out my bomb problem, though. I was raised playing Starfox...

theshirn · « **Reply #595 on:** June 23, 2009, 04:13:41 AM »

USE BOMBS WISELY!

Imagine if you could do a barrel roll in Touhou and just have bullets bounce off......

Ghaleon · « **Reply #596 on:** June 23, 2009, 04:17:57 AM »

Quote from: Nuclear Fusion on June 23, 2009, 03:52:01 AM

Hey cool, I've got somebody to defend my honour.

Thanks theshim!

Also, got to Killing Doll. Total bombs lost in the run - 8. Further rage enduced when trying to capture Eternal Meek after a continue, and getting her down to no bar left before dying. I wanted to cry.

I think I've figured out my bomb problem, though. I was raised playing Starfox...

Ahh, the only starfox I've played is the original. I seem to recall having absolutely no hesitation with using all my bombs in one spot.. I believe it's the 2nd last boss that has 3 parts that can merge or fly independently. There's a part where they all transform into a large ship whose weak point were 3 little windows on each side of the hull (for a total of 6)...which would be invincible until they opened up randomly. Half the time I could shoot them while they were open, I'd still get the "ping" noise as though they were still invincible.. So stupid.. So yeah, I just bomb spammed the hell out of that part. Often leaving me with 2 or 3 windows still anyway after like 3 bombs. doh.

RainfallYoshi · « **Reply #597 on:** June 23, 2009, 04:49:16 AM »

Touhou RAGE!

Seriously, why me?

I was just attempting another EoSD Normal 1cc and was actually doing pretty well. What amazed me was that I was doing awesome on Stage 4, which usually is what eats lives.

I get to Patchouli and I'm feeling pretty good, and what do I do? I die twice to Non-Directional Lasers, which on any other play I would have gotten through without a scratch.

What happens after that? I die on Rage Trilithilon, which is just simple dodging.

Seriously, if it wasn't for that completely noob Patchouli fight I probably would have had a chance at this run. I ended up dying to Sakuya due to lack of lives and bombs after that.

'Eff you Patchouli Knowledge. ;_;

Drake · « **Reply #598 on:** June 23, 2009, 06:14:15 AM »

DAMMIT I'VE 1CC'D SA WITHOUT RIGHT SO MANY TIMES NOW BUT EVERY SINGLE REPLAY GETS DESYNC

FFFFFFUUUUUUUUUUCCCCKKKKKKKKK

Ghaleon · « **Reply #599 on:** June 23, 2009, 06:18:37 AM »

Quote from: YellowYoshi1 on June 23, 2009, 04:49:16 AM

Touhou RAGE!

Seriously, why me?

I was just attempting another EoSD Normal 1cc and was actually doing pretty well. What amazed me was that I was doing awesome on Stage 4, which usually is what eats lives.

I get to Patchouli and I'm feeling pretty good, and what do I do? I die twice to Non-Directional Lasers, which on any other play I would have gotten through without a scratch.

What happens after that? I die on Rage Trilithilon, which is just simple dodging.

Seriously, if it wasn't for that completely noob Patchouli fight I probably would have had a chance at this run. I ended up dying to Sakuya due to lack of lives and bombs after that.

'Eff you Patchouli Knowledge. ;_;

LOL, yeah patchy is brutal. Probably the hardest "pretty much only halfway thru the game" boss in any game of all time imo.. and her stage. zomg. I think zun accidently miss-put her in stage 4 instead of "Extra" in a drunken stupor >=P.

Author Topic: Touhou RAGE Thread (Read 176860 times)

Kanako Yasaka