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Re: Touhou RAGE Thread
« Reply #420 on: June 06, 2009, 11:18:03 PM »
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Replay works fine for me.

Apart for some reason, it says 0 for the (replay) FPS counter.



Eh, my replays always say 0 in MoF, although sometimes they jump up to something like 64 or 128 for a second or two.

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Re: Touhou RAGE Thread
« Reply #421 on: June 07, 2009, 01:35:26 AM »
Died with bombs in stock multiple times. Killed the incorrect Witch for Stage 4, giving me the utterly crap one (Mai).

Yumeko was quite easy. Lots of hitbox confidence games. Made it through only losing 1 life.

I used one, and only one bomb incorrectly for Stage 6, so!

Continued on Shinki's 1st phase...
Made it through relatively alright, until I lost my rhythm at the Snake Bullets, causing me to die multiple times. 2nd continue expended.
Made it through after that...

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Re: Touhou RAGE Thread
« Reply #422 on: June 07, 2009, 01:38:24 AM »
Uh, Mai is much easier than Yuki, what the heck are you talking about?

And you think...Yumeko's easy...? O_O
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Re: Touhou RAGE Thread
« Reply #423 on: June 07, 2009, 02:03:55 AM »
Died with bombs in stock multiple times. Killed the incorrect Witch for Stage 4, giving me the utterly crap one (Mai).

Yumeko was quite easy. Lots of hitbox confidence games. Made it through only losing 1 life.
There are reasons why Mai is known as Cirno Beta, and Yumeko known as PC 98 Orin. Just saying.

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Re: Touhou RAGE Thread
« Reply #424 on: June 07, 2009, 03:00:14 AM »
Yumeko kills my runs. D:

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Re: Touhou RAGE Thread
« Reply #425 on: June 07, 2009, 03:59:33 AM »
There are reasons why Mai is known as Cirno Beta, and Yumeko known as PC 98 Orin. Just saying.
I already know about Mai's certain "safespot" for that certain phase. That isn't the problem. It's with the rotating lasers (+ BS movement). It creates walls of impassable kunai, with the lasers acting as a boundary for the other openings. That, and using Reimu doesn't seem to help my situation in shotgunning, when there are far better choices for "safe shotgun".

I don't see the connection between Yumeko and Orin though.

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And you think...Yumeko's easy...? O_O
Use this handy (yet very generalized) rule:

1 life for Stage 4 bosses. 1-2 lives for Stage 5 bosses. 2-3 lives for Stage 6 bosses.

If you need more lives (and bombs by the way; 3 additional bombs to a life, with 4-5 being borderline to 2 lives) than necessary, then it means you're having more trouble than necessary for a bare / standard 1cc.

I don't think Yumeko's that easy. Still, easier than various other Stage 5 bosses.
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Re: Touhou RAGE Thread
« Reply #426 on: June 07, 2009, 04:05:23 AM »
Very unrealistic rule. Yumeko is worlds harder than Shinki, and that's assuming you don't die in the first 3 stages (possible, but still...) and don't die in the fourth before the bosses (EXTREMELY unrealistic).
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Re: Touhou RAGE Thread
« Reply #427 on: June 07, 2009, 04:22:00 AM »
Very unrealistic rule. Yumeko is worlds harder than Shinki, and that's assuming you don't die in the first 3 stages (possible, but still...) and don't die in the fourth before the bosses (EXTREMELY unrealistic).
I normally use 2 bombs in Stage 4. I rarely die or bomb in the first 3 stages. Though, many a time have I clipped a random bullet due to panic waves. Stage 5 is trivial by all means. Especially since I use Reimu.

I find Yumeko ~ Shinki, provided I don't mess up the rhythm (and die or bomb).

In the event that I mess up, Shinki becomes a lot more difficult.
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Re: Touhou RAGE Thread
« Reply #428 on: June 07, 2009, 06:30:11 AM »
Remember the post last page, which began in really big font?

Yeah.

WHAT THE @#$*%&#%&(%^#$&%

Another hour and a half.  Falling Leaves of Madness only lolwalled me a few times, but instead Hina decided to start cheating.  I clipped cards I couldn't see or that should have been offscreen - hell, I clipped GODDAMN FAIRIES as they were going offscreen - Old Lady Ohgane's Fire walled me - her second noncard killed me at least four times - what the hell.

I was unable to make it to Nitori once (in the three times I did - remember that this is an hour and a half) without dying, all three BS.  Her opener killed me twice.  Spin the Cephalic Plate grabbed an extra bomb or death all three times (one of them I gave up there).

Stage 4, the two times I got to it, was replete with even more powerful and purified BS than ever.  Clipdeaths, fairies ramming me, DYING ON THE STREAMING PARTS, you wouldn't believe this stuff and I should have saved the replay.  Aya was utter crap as usual; her third noncard killed me AND made me bomb because she'd move, wall me, and the moment I got over to her she'd move again.  Game overed on Peerless BS God.

What.  What.  WHAT.  WHAT!?!

I got up to Kanako less than two weeks ago, fairly easily, WHAT THE HELL IS GOING ON WHY CAN'T I GET A DECENT RUN THAT ISN'T REPLETE WITH UTTER BS WHAT THE HELL WHAT THE HELL WHAT THE GODDAMN HELL

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Re: Touhou RAGE Thread
« Reply #429 on: June 07, 2009, 06:41:05 AM »
Youkai polygraph pwns me *sobs*.

Re: Touhou RAGE Thread
« Reply #430 on: June 07, 2009, 02:28:11 PM »
Warning: Rant Ahead.

PoFV extra is just BULLSHIT.

I hate swearing, but there's not much else I can say. Let's start with the fact you're forced to play as Komachi.

- You can activate all the spirits by pressing the focus button, but if you hold it down to actually dodge bullets, the spirits can fly into you and you're dead because you have NO activation field.
- If you mash the focus button to keep activating spirits and stopping that from happening, you can't see anything for the purple flashes that happen every time you press the focus button.
- And since you activate EVERY spirit on the screen, there's always going to be one that you don't notice, and since you don't shoot it it'll invariably time out and fire its red bullets of death at you at roughly 50mph because the rank starts out at 10-11.

SO MANY DEATHS because my character has such a stupid freaking system. Let's also talk about CPU bullshit.

- The amount of times I've died because I dodge into a bottom corner, only to smash into a fairy who spawned half a second ago, is ridiculous.

- LOL Sakuya and her peripheral vision knives.

- Tewi's "special ability" means she has twice as much life as you in extra. That means you can dodge everything for X seconds, she'll hit something, then you lose from some random bullet that you appears after you "won". Sometimes she'll lose again instantly, but other times she just goes "lolno" and kills you with unpredictable pink ring things.

- Marisa's Dragon attacks are impossible. The rank climbs to 16 after about 45 seconds and there Earth Light Rays along 90% of the screen. If you aren't in the right place, you're dead and even if you are, you're probably going to get smashed by a star. You die once and it's a piece of cake, but you need the lives dammit.

- YUKA YUKA YUKA YUKA! Her sunflowers block you off almost EVERY time, there are freaking bullets that HIDE behind them, their hitboxes are inconsistant as all hell, she seems to have INFINITE LEVEL 4 ATTACKS and even if you DO survive the 50 seconds, she never EVER messes up on your first attempt. 90 seconds into the fight and she's still dodging, having launched her sixth Dragon attack. wtf.

- Reimu's nonsense as well; you have to bomb her level 2-3 opener because it's almost impossible to dodge at such speeds, and then dodge a gazillion bouncing balls. As soon as you lose once, she becomes a piece of cake apart from Komachi's own shortcomings. But you need lives for...

- Shikieiki. On the rare occasion that you make it, you have to survive for TWO. ****ING. MINUTES. WTF!? You die and it's 50 seconds, which is more manageable, apart from her inheriting Yuka's infinite level 4 attacks, yamabullets filling the screen and, just in case we forget, spirits smashing into your face because you can't stop focusing for a SECOND. And when you do last 50 seconds, she just dodges everything for 15 seconds then starts a level 16 attack that just fires an unpassable wall of BS. You lose, that's your last life, go beat Cirno again because you're not good enough to hang with your boss. Game over.

*bangs head off desk repeatedly*
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Re: Touhou RAGE Thread
« Reply #431 on: June 07, 2009, 03:37:06 PM »
Warning: Rant Ahead.

PoFV extra is just BULLSHIT.

I hate swearing, but there's not much else I can say. Let's start with the fact you're forced to play as Komachi.

- You can activate all the spirits by pressing the focus button, but if you hold it down to actually dodge bullets, the spirits can fly into you and you're dead because you have NO activation field.
- If you mash the focus button to keep activating spirits and stopping that from happening, you can't see anything for the purple flashes that happen every time you press the focus button.
- And since you activate EVERY spirit on the screen, there's always going to be one that you don't notice, and since you don't shoot it it'll invariably time out and fire its red bullets of death at you at roughly 50mph because the rank starts out at 10-11.

SO MANY DEATHS because my character has such a stupid freaking system. Let's also talk about CPU bullshit.

- The amount of times I've died because I dodge into a bottom corner, only to smash into a fairy who spawned half a second ago, is ridiculous.

- LOL Sakuya and her peripheral vision knives.

- Tewi's "special ability" means she has twice as much life as you in extra. That means you can dodge everything for X seconds, she'll hit something, then you lose from some random bullet that you appears after you "won". Sometimes she'll lose again instantly, but other times she just goes "lolno" and kills you with unpredictable pink ring things.

- Marisa's Dragon attacks are impossible. The rank climbs to 16 after about 45 seconds and there Earth Light Rays along 90% of the screen. If you aren't in the right place, you're dead and even if you are, you're probably going to get smashed by a star. You die once and it's a piece of cake, but you need the lives dammit.

- YUKA YUKA YUKA YUKA! Her sunflowers block you off almost EVERY time, there are freaking bullets that HIDE behind them, their hitboxes are inconsistant as all hell, she seems to have INFINITE LEVEL 4 ATTACKS and even if you DO survive the 50 seconds, she never EVER messes up on your first attempt. 90 seconds into the fight and she's still dodging, having launched her sixth Dragon attack. wtf.

- Reimu's nonsense as well; you have to bomb her level 2-3 opener because it's almost impossible to dodge at such speeds, and then dodge a gazillion bouncing balls. As soon as you lose once, she becomes a piece of cake apart from Komachi's own shortcomings. But you need lives for...

- Shikieiki. On the rare occasion that you make it, you have to survive for TWO. ****ING. MINUTES. WTF!? You die and it's 50 seconds, which is more manageable, apart from her inheriting Yuka's infinite level 4 attacks, yamabullets filling the screen and, just in case we forget, spirits smashing into your face because you can't stop focusing for a SECOND. And when you do last 50 seconds, she just dodges everything for 15 seconds then starts a level 16 attack that just fires an unpassable wall of BS. You lose, that's your last life, go beat Cirno again because you're not good enough to hang with your boss. Game over.

*bangs head off desk repeatedly*

Some tips for PoFV Extra:
Try to not use the level 2 specials. It's bullets can be easily reflected, and you will have a bullet spam on your screen. (level 2 of Aya is suicide lol)

Keep a look at your Hit Points, every 100000, 300000 and 500000 unleash a Dragon class. 500000 unleash a level 3 as well. Manage to cancel your opponent's Dragon class. (it works this way for all the game, actually)

Remember to hold down focus only when moving around, if is needed. I, when shooting, tap shot and focus at same time, when the rank is high. I guess it works for most of the chars.


PoFV Extra is not that hard... just need a good scoring. Usually, I need 2 extra lives to defeat Siki.

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Re: Touhou RAGE Thread
« Reply #432 on: June 07, 2009, 05:59:27 PM »
Why do I have a cap rate on Utsuho's second noncard that's lower than any spellcard in stage 6, and for that matter even bullshit like DDBB and Laser Rain?
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Re: Touhou RAGE Thread
« Reply #433 on: June 07, 2009, 06:47:57 PM »
3 hours and 30 minutes on PCB L stages 1-3. Bleh. A few minutes ago I was terribly, terribly angry.

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Re: Touhou RAGE Thread
« Reply #434 on: June 08, 2009, 06:29:22 AM »
Argh, so close to my third VoWG capture. D: One more dodge and it would have been mine.
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Re: Touhou RAGE Thread
« Reply #435 on: June 08, 2009, 01:17:49 PM »
I was close to a IN Lunatic 1cc, this time with Magic Team. But I died at Life Spring Infinite (used Alice's bomb, and early) and I didn't pass through Hourai Jewel. bleh

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Re: Touhou RAGE Thread
« Reply #436 on: June 08, 2009, 07:34:11 PM »
So I 1cc normal PoFV twice with non op characters, and the game crashes when I try to save a replay both times. Then I did it again with op aya, and THEN it lets me save my not so glorious accomplishment. wut.

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Re: Touhou RAGE Thread
« Reply #437 on: June 09, 2009, 05:05:52 AM »
I screw up Nine Syllable Stabs and Miracle Fruit, only to follow up with a capture of Bumper Cropper.

I don't think I captured Miracle Fruit on any of the runs after that.
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Re: Touhou RAGE Thread
« Reply #438 on: June 09, 2009, 05:49:34 AM »
I finally perfect the stage portion of IN extra! Can I finally pull off this no dea-oh wait wait, I death bombed Ikahasa's Moon curse. >_<

Seriously, this would be SO much easier to do if death bombing didn't take two bombs. Screw last spells, seriously.
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Re: Touhou RAGE Thread
« Reply #439 on: June 09, 2009, 05:57:58 AM »
ok WTF is up with genetics of the subconscious. stupidest dumbest, most unfair lamest dumb move ever. I've given up trying to cap it. just time that bs out. she NEVER EVER flies from one top corner to the other, or from bottom to the opposite top corner.. noo. always straight up, straight down, or diagonal down. So unfair. htf am I supposed to shoot her if everywhere she goes is either the bottom, or straight up where I still can't shoot at because her bullets are right below her.. aghghagh.

Also, is the one similar to it only where she doesn't move around as much static? It kinda looks like it but I capped it twice in a row on my first two times getting that far. But now that I can get that far with 3-4 lives, it always kills me at leas once.. doh..

Also on her 2nd last spellcard, The first part is easy, the 2nd part is what gets me killed twice. 3rd part is pretty hard but I think I know how to do it. any advice?

Last, are the 2 heart shaped attacks (I forget the name of the first, the 2nd is super ego) pretty  much the same only mirrored? it looks like it. But I can handle super ego fine by pretty much moving horizontally only (pretty much, the few times I have to move vertically I don't have to do a diagonal even), but the first one I have a much harder time accomplishing this. Is it normal for someone to have a hard time with the first but not the 2nd?

I also understand that it's better to stay near the bottom for the 2nd, and it appears to be better to stay near the boss for the first, but I still get owned for some reason.

So close to killing this boss. Got to subterranian rose one time with 3 lives, and for some dumb reason I keep killing myself like an idiot. literally. like I forget how to play completely when I get to that spell, I just don't get it.

Re: Touhou RAGE Thread
« Reply #440 on: June 09, 2009, 05:19:53 PM »
ok WTF is up with genetics of the subconscious. stupidest dumbest, most unfair lamest dumb move ever. I've given up trying to cap it. just time that bs out. she NEVER EVER flies from one top corner to the other, or from bottom to the opposite top corner.. noo. always straight up, straight down, or diagonal down.

You know when you hear the "charging..." sound effect? Like at the start of Polygraph?

That noise means that Koishi is going to fly over DIRECTLY to where you are. She'll always be at the top right when this happens, so if you can fly to the top left, you can get in a load of damage. I've cap'd it 4 times or something with this method. Rorscharch (sp) on the other hand...

As for me, I'm beginning to see parallels with me/VoWG and Donut/Scarlet Meister. My ipod says I play Suwa Froughten Field remixes than any other track. I keep picturing it while I work, dodging left and right. I got Kanako down to 10%, TEN MEASLY PERCENT health on attempt #47 and then ****ed up spectacularly. Reaction is similar to this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tCUPMt-SUiM
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Re: Touhou RAGE Thread
« Reply #441 on: June 09, 2009, 05:30:02 PM »
Kanako is <3

Anyway, I would probably be able to beat IN extra if not for having to deathbomb on EVERY DAMN CARD AND NONSPELL INCLUDING THE ONES THAT I GET LIKE 100% OF THE TIME IN SPELL PRACTICE

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Re: Touhou RAGE Thread
« Reply #442 on: June 09, 2009, 07:48:32 PM »
You know when you hear the "charging..." sound effect? Like at the start of Polygraph?

I know the sound you're talking about, never noticed it at the start of polygraph though. I'm too busy going "OH CRAP FLY UP NOW" when I see the name (I discovered from personal experience like twice now that if you're hugging the bottom when polygraph starts you're pretty hosed).

Anyway I didn't notice it during genetics of the principle of cheap made danmaku. But That helps thank you...mind you it kinda sucks that she only casts it at the top right. Because if she's at the top right aren't you going to want to be on the bottom right just to shoot her?

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Re: Touhou RAGE Thread
« Reply #443 on: June 09, 2009, 09:38:50 PM »
Oh, random clip on Luize.

4 bombs gone.

Screw this, I'm not restarting.

EDIT: ... I just missed the Extend! after Stage 5 Midboss.

WTF

EDIT 2: ...and a perfect Yumeko battle (sans the last phase of laser spam). How exceedingly annoying.

EDIT 3: ok wtf. So I used my continue to see what would happen if I got that 1up (read: Extend!). ... ... ... that would've been a 1cc. No bombs were used on Shinki as well.

...excuse me while I go cry in a corner.
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Re: Touhou RAGE Thread
« Reply #444 on: June 10, 2009, 01:22:20 AM »
The StB English Patch reminded me of a horrible fact which I spent several hours trying to disprove to no avail:

I can't beat Suika in StB.

Seriously, her two cards are the only thing stopping me from full-clearing the game, but even watching the videos I don't get Deep Fog Labyrinth. Why the hell am I closer to capturing Pandemonium than I am to Labyrinth?

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Re: Touhou RAGE Thread
« Reply #445 on: June 10, 2009, 01:41:32 AM »
Labryinth is the one where she's chasing you down, right?
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Re: Touhou RAGE Thread
« Reply #446 on: June 10, 2009, 01:56:23 AM »
...I have a right to now believe that Mai (yes, you heard me) is more luck-based than Yuki. If after theorizing, that you somehow end up losing 2 lives to Mai, and only 1 to Yuki, there's something seriously wrong. The rotating laser phase (with waves of varying bullets) is full of so much BS, I would even go to the point saying that it's much worse than "DBDB".

And don't say that I'm doing something wrong. Because getting walled even after you read the phase certainly isn't.

Screw MS Lunatic for a while. Then, watch me as the weekend comes, I'll beat it with 2-4 lives remaining or something  >_>

Also, since timing out phases in MS is entirely possible, I wonder what will happen if you attempt to time out Yuki+Mai?
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Re: Touhou RAGE Thread
« Reply #447 on: June 10, 2009, 02:04:22 AM »
I should have had that EoSD no bomb extra clear.

She was freaking clearing Ripples when I died.

I need to learn how to run the Maze, I think.
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Re: Touhou RAGE Thread
« Reply #448 on: June 10, 2009, 02:07:23 AM »
...I have a right to now believe that Mai (yes, you heard me) is more luck-based than Yuki. If after theorizing, that you somehow end up losing 2 lives to Mai, and only 1 to Yuki, there's something seriously wrong. The rotating laser phase (with waves of varying bullets) is full of so much BS, I would even go to the point saying that it's much worse than "DBDB".

And don't say that I'm doing something wrong. Because getting walled even after you read the phase certainly isn't.

Screw MS Lunatic for a while. Then, watch me as the weekend comes, I'll beat it with 2-4 lives remaining or something  >_>

Also, since timing out phases in MS is entirely possible, I wonder what will happen if you attempt to time out Yuki+Mai?

Do it man, now you've got me curious.

And lol at you thinking Mai's BS. I consider myself a failure if I die more than once against her, and even dying at all is a pity. Her only difficult phase is her last one, where the exploding eggs/snowballs/whatever usually cause some annoying shenanigans.
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Re: Touhou RAGE Thread
« Reply #449 on: June 10, 2009, 02:13:06 AM »
...I have a right to now believe that Mai (yes, you heard me) is more luck-based than Yuki. If after theorizing, that you somehow end up losing 2 lives to Mai, and only 1 to Yuki, there's something seriously wrong. The rotating laser phase (with waves of varying bullets) is full of so much BS, I would even go to the point saying that it's much worse than "DBDB".

And don't say that I'm doing something wrong. Because getting walled even after you read the phase certainly isn't.

Screw MS Lunatic for a while. Then, watch me as the weekend comes, I'll beat it with 2-4 lives remaining or something  >_>

Also, since timing out phases in MS is entirely possible, I wonder what will happen if you attempt to time out Yuki+Mai?
Mai is easier. I'm afraid of Yuki.
Mai I can pass without using bombs nor dying (actually, most of times I do use one or two bombs, but I can do it).
I die against Yuki, even on Hard. Her last phase is BS. >.<