Author Topic: Spellcard Help Topic (Read 145715 times)

Drake · « **Reply #180 on:** July 24, 2009, 05:29:18 PM »

Arcengal · « **Reply #181 on:** July 24, 2009, 10:46:28 PM »

Quote from: Flay_wind on July 24, 2009, 01:50:56 PM

Need help with SA extra. I just don't understand Koishi's survival card - that circular thing. I always getting trapped in circle and have to bomb. Which is usually 4 times and 0 power isn't fun at all.

The bullets are released the same distance along the laser as you are from Koishi. So, if you're on the extreme bottom of the screen, the bullets will be released at the very end of the lasers. If you're right beside Koishi, they will appear there.

The trick is to create gaps through rapidly moving (usually unfocused) so that the bullets don't spawn in a line, but leave a gap for you to go through. It actually gets easier as the lasers speed up, plus you only have to do two-and-something laps.

Flay_wind · « **Reply #182 on:** July 25, 2009, 08:02:33 AM »

Thanks all. Captured it first time i tried.

nintendonut888 · « **Reply #183 on:** July 25, 2009, 10:21:16 AM »

I'd appreciate it if someone could tell me how to deal with Venomous Moth's Poisonous Scales or whatever Mystia's first lunatic spell card is. I can beat it of course, just not...consistently. I think it's actually a bigger obstacle to perfecting Mystia than her second non-card.

LHCling · « **Reply #184 on:** July 25, 2009, 10:27:31 AM »

Quote from: nintendonut888 on July 25, 2009, 10:21:16 AM

I'd appreciate it if someone could tell me how to deal with Venomous Moth's Poisonous Scales or whatever Mystia's first lunatic spell card is. I can beat it of course, just not...consistently. I think it's actually a bigger obstacle to perfecting Mystia than her second non-card.

What.

Anyway, running myself against it to see if I get any new insight. Although it may as well just be 80% reading and micrododging. The other 20% is not getting hit by the aimed stream of bullets.

EDIT: Apart from a no-vertical capture of it, there seems to be really nothing else. I have noticed that I relied more on horizontal dodging as opposed to vertical in most of my attempts. Oh, and moving diagonal is risky business.

EDIT 2: Yep, just micro-dodging and reading. Crisscrossing bullets tend to lead to wall-deaths too.

Zengeku · « **Reply #185 on:** July 25, 2009, 01:01:27 PM »

Donut, just do like me and time it out. That should do it. It worked for me.

nintendonut888 · « **Reply #186 on:** July 25, 2009, 06:57:15 PM »

Quote from: Zengeku on July 25, 2009, 01:01:27 PM

Donut, just do like me and time it out. That should do it. It worked for me.

Quote from: nintendonut888 on July 25, 2009, 10:21:16 AM

perfecting Mystia

Quote from: BaitySM on July 25, 2009, 10:27:31 AM

What.

But thanks anyway. I was hoping there'd be a bit more...tricks, but I guess not. I experimented in destroying familiars, and while that seems to lower the amount of bullets, it's simply not worth it from the effort you have to take from damaging Mystia.

Generalguy · « **Reply #187 on:** July 25, 2009, 07:25:57 PM »

Tried MoF stage 3, and realized I'm absolute crap at it. The stage itself didn't go so bad, but I collided with a fairy while trying to collect items.

Anyway, I need help with Nitori's spellcards. Every single one of them.

Midboss card : I think I know how to do it, watching for the water bullets first, but I always fail miserably and would like some help.

Flash Flood : Is there a way to this card or is it simply reading ahead? I just get walled all the time, or panic bomb for no reason.

Exteeeeending Arm : I fail so hard at reading lasers.

I think there's another one, but I can't remember what it was. I know I suck at it, though.

Krimmydoodle · « **Reply #188 on:** July 25, 2009, 08:17:57 PM »

Reference replay.

Hydro Camouflage: I think you already have the right idea, watching for the speedy water bullets, then adjusting yourself within the water bullets to dodge the pseudo lasers. It's a notoriously difficult card for Stage 3 though, so don't be ashamed if you have to bomb it. Looking back at the Hard version, if I didn't already know what the card looked like and someone told me it was a Lunatic card, I'd believe them.

Diluvial Mare: The way to do this one is to wait for one of the waves to form, then go inside the peak of the wave. (On Hard, you can be outside the peak of the wave, but that gets you killed on Lunatic, so develop the right habit now and stay inside.) Once there, do some small streaming within the wave to avoid the bigger aimed bullets fired directly from Nitori. Hopefully, if that didn't make sense, this crappy pic will.

Flash Flood: Because of the way the bullets fall, your best bet to find an opening is to hover around the middle of the screen, then look for a hole to one of your sides. You'll want to look to the left for the first wave, look to the right for the second wave, and continue alternating until the card is over.

Exteeeending Aaaaarm: Unfortunately, I don't see a trick to this other than "get better at reading lasers." Sorry.

Generalguy · « **Reply #189 on:** July 25, 2009, 09:23:41 PM »

Quote from: Krim on July 25, 2009, 08:17:57 PM

Reference replay.

Hydro Camouflage: I think you already have the right idea, watching for the speedy water bullets, then adjusting yourself within the water bullets to dodge the pseudo lasers. It's a notoriously difficult card for Stage 3 though, so don't be ashamed if you have to bomb it. Looking back at the Hard version, if I didn't already know what the card looked like and someone told me it was a Lunatic card, I'd believe them.

Diluvial Mare: The way to do this one is to wait for one of the waves to form, then go inside the peak of the wave. (On Hard, you can be outside the peak of the wave, but that gets you killed on Lunatic, so develop the right habit now and stay inside.) Once there, do some small streaming within the wave to avoid the bigger aimed bullets fired directly from Nitori. Hopefully, if that didn't make sense, this crappy pic will.

Flash Flood: Because of the way the bullets fall, your best bet to find an opening is to hover around the middle of the screen, then look for a hole to one of your sides. You'll want to look to the left for the first wave, look to the right for the second wave, and continue alternating until the card is over.

Exteeeending Aaaaarm: Unfortunately, I don't see a trick to this other than "get better at reading lasers." Sorry.

I'll just bomb Extending Arm then. But seriously this will help me A LOT. I never knew where to position myself in Diluvial Mare, and most of the time got stuck in the middle of a wave.
I'll also practice Hydro Camouflage and see what Flash Flood looks like from the middle of the screen.

But really, I'd be happy to only die once in stage 3 and...twice?...in stage 4. It would give me a good shot for a 1cc.

?lice Bl?ckb?rn · « **Reply #190 on:** July 26, 2009, 01:55:01 AM »

Regarding Hydro Camouflage, the two most important things to realise in order to cap this card are: A) watch the animated water bullets, not the pseudo-lasers when you're positioning yourself; the card tricks you into reading the pseudo-lasers and trying to adjust your movement for the water bullets, this will kill you, you need to watch the water bullets and just carefully adjust yourself so you fit into a gap between the pseudo-lasers during each wave and B) dodge primarily vertically when you're in between a pair of the pseudo-lasers.

I never really understood its difficulty, it's Nitori's second-easiest card as far as I'm concerned. But then again I'm weird.

nintendonut888 · « **Reply #191 on:** July 27, 2009, 08:41:54 AM »

Tips for Spin the Cephalic Plate? I've never understood this spell card. It seems as though it should be a standard misdirecting attack, but that never works...or maybe it does, and I'm just a terrible Touhou player.

Krimmydoodle · « **Reply #192 on:** July 27, 2009, 09:12:20 AM »

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LrUDDWWaL4U&fmt=18#t=3m8s

I never bother doing any misdirecting on Cephalic Plate other than simple streaming. Reimu B's shot has enough oomph to kill off Nitori with one stream across the screen to dodge the aimed pellets, so I allow the pellets to wall off the side and only pay attention to micrododging the circles. The key thing (if I remember correctly, since it's been a while) is that Nitori likes to move toward you. In my example, I'm streaming to the left, so I always make sure to be to the left of Nitori's position at all times, so that she'll remain under me for max damage, rather than letting her move behind the aimed pellet wall where I can't reach her.

If you do have to switch directions in the stream, I believe it is indeed nothing more than simple misdirection, but that used to always get me killed too. Screw that, just kill her off before you have to switch directions.

I am also making the assumption (a fairly safe assumption, but an assumption nonetheless) that you are using Reimu B, and I haven't gotten around to seeing what other shot types can manage to pull off Cephalic Plate in one stream.

bjw · « **Reply #193 on:** July 27, 2009, 09:17:56 AM »

Quote from: Krim on July 27, 2009, 09:12:20 AM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LrUDDWWaL4U&fmt=18#t=3m8s

Hahaha, well fuck me. I never knew it was that simple.

nintendonut888 · « **Reply #194 on:** July 27, 2009, 09:28:58 AM »

Thanks, I'll try this later when my computer isn't being shitty and slowing the game down to unplayableness.

LHCling · « **Reply #195 on:** July 27, 2009, 09:40:47 AM »

Swing around like me with ReimuA, taking advantage of homing*. Also, this is my second try at this Spell Card? Why do people find it hard?

*_{Not good for scoring.}

Ignore the derp mistakes because I'm playing with freezing fingers.

Scoring-wise, you just do what they should do with ReimuB, except timing the switch approrpiately. I believe they did this on the 3rd / 5th ring of bullets. Either that, or it was the 4th / 6th.

If not, then simply ignore this part, or correct me.

nintendonut888 · « **Reply #196 on:** July 27, 2009, 10:39:24 AM »

I see how Krim's strategy works, but TBH it's very uncomfortable, and as I tried it killed me due to stray bullets clogging the rings. I'd try some more, but it's 3:39 AM and I should probably go to bed. :V

stargroup · « **Reply #197 on:** July 27, 2009, 05:02:05 PM »

what is the hitbox on those spinning bullets? I want to know if the spinning of the bullets has any significance

Drake · « **Reply #198 on:** July 27, 2009, 05:37:03 PM »

None at all. They're circular.

Infy♫ · « **Reply #199 on:** July 27, 2009, 07:51:21 PM »

Haven't played it myself yet, but i wonder if there is a safespot in the upper corners of suwako's card, froggy braves the elements.

nintendonut888 · « **Reply #200 on:** July 27, 2009, 08:57:47 PM »

Hey, so four tries later, I still haven't captured Spin the Cephalic Plate. How the heck do you make Nitori move all the way over there so the strategy is even feasible to work? She just stays in the center and fucks me over.

Krimmydoodle · « **Reply #201 on:** July 27, 2009, 11:02:45 PM »

Whenever Nitori makes a move (note that she stays still and moves at set intervals of time), her horizontal movement will be toward you. The exception to this is if she's too close to either the left or right edge (maybe within 1/6 of the screen's length), her next move will be toward the center, regardless of your location. In my example, I hover above the "m" in "enemy" as the card starts, which lures her to the right for her first move. I then wait in the lower right corner to once again lure her right, and to mislead the incoming aimed pellets. (You could just wait in the lower corner from the start to simplify the luring process, but staying near her at the beginning adds on a bit of damage, which is always nice since Touhou is a game of pixels and milliseconds.) After she's made two moves, she'll be too close to the side and make a move toward the center, so for the rest of the card, I'll stay to the left of the second "e" in "enemy" as much as possible to continue luring her left until I've drained her health bar.

I apologize if this doesn't help, since I didn't actually say anything new and only restated part of my previous post in extreme detail.

Also consider that this is only my method of doing things. There may be another method that will work better for you, so if this doesn't work, try experimenting with Baity's method or experiment with your own.

Drake · « **Reply #202 on:** July 27, 2009, 11:21:16 PM »

Quote from: CAsercan3 on July 27, 2009, 07:51:21 PM

Haven't played it myself yet, but i wonder if there is a safespot in the upper corners of suwako's card, froggy braves the elements.

No. Suwako slowly moves towards you, so the streams of awesome eventually will hit you.

Arcengal · « **Reply #203 on:** July 28, 2009, 05:03:28 PM »

I asked this question a while back in the Gamefaqs topic, but I feel inclined to ask again.

What the heck is going on during Small Demon's Revival?! I can see a pattern of small bullets - medium bullets - red bubbles, but if I knew how it worked it would make life infinitely easier.

Drake · « **Reply #204 on:** July 28, 2009, 05:09:57 PM »

The fairies home in to your location. Once they get there they fire blue or red bullets. They wait a while, fire the red bubbles and home in again. Orin has the spiral thing going on and you can't damage her when the fairies are in the way.

Just uh, damage her as much as possible before the fairies all kill you, then slowly circle around to lead them out. Get back under Orin and hope to god you don't get walled off by the fairies.

Alternatively, one bomb takes care of it.

nintendonut888 · « **Reply #205 on:** July 29, 2009, 07:19:59 AM »

With Krim's tip of staying on the "m" in "enemy", I see how to do the strategy. I still haven't recaptured it, but I bombed the spell card as it was dying (would have been my first perfect of Nitori too. D:), so I think I get it.

Now I must ask how to correctly do Suwako's first survival spell card. I used to know how to do it, but I've clearly forgotten the right way to approach it...

And BTW, my secret shame is that I find Suwako to be one of the tougher extra bosses, even though I know she's easy. I blame massive clip death.

Drake · « **Reply #206 on:** July 29, 2009, 05:03:27 PM »

Noting that Satori's first card is incredibly easy even on Hard mode.

Infy♫ · « **Reply #207 on:** July 31, 2009, 08:26:02 PM »

im trying to clear pcb's extra but i just get pwned in princess tenko every time... that card really hates me. i tried the method yoslime uses in his video but i just get killed by it every 2 or 3 shots... what should i do?

Drake · « **Reply #208 on:** July 31, 2009, 09:17:55 PM »

In what way do you get killed? Are you moving too slowly/late and get hit by the lolbutterflies, or are you misdirecting it incorrectly?

Infy♫ · « **Reply #209 on:** August 01, 2009, 02:48:58 PM »

I just go down a bit as ran reaches me, then to the left/right but sometimes i move too late or otherwise i get killed by the lolbutterflies of the prevorious shot