SWR and IaMP - Story Mode Spellcards

[Alfred F. Jones]

Reached Iku's LOL LIGHTNING last spell card before losing my last life.

WELCOME TO HELL

[LHCling]

But that doesn't seem to work. :| I'll try it just for you though.

If it doesn't work, then you're (still) doing one of the following things:

• You're still in the purple field, so the quick dash doesn't go very far
• You're still dashing too early
• You're dashing too late
• You're backdashing

Also I apprently need help on Reimu's second spell card too.

My method is hard to explain  :V
I'll see if I can get a replay up.

Reached Iku's LOL LIGHTNING last spell card before losing my last life.

WELCOME TO HELL

[nintendonut888]

I have much more problems with Doppler effect without using SPRING IS ALL ABOUT KAWAII SAKURA BLOSSOM MORNINGS than that card honestly. :V Powering up her green whirlwind attack really gives me the edge against many spell cards. Still really random though.

And you expect me to forward dodge? o_O After practicing it over and over back dodging is the only way I've done it period.

[Esoterica]

SWR's my least favorite Touhou game so I never really bothered with Story Mode in it aside from a 1cc with Reimu, Marisa, and Sakuya when I got the game and a 1cc with Remilia when I was feeling a bit more masochistic, but that was all when the game just came out and before I truly realized how terrible its mechanics were.

So, sorry, I'm not going to be of much help this time :c  If it's possible for you to link to videos of specific cards or something though, I'm sure I could figure out ways to beat them at the least, so long as you don't randomly decide to change characters to someone I don't have at least an intermediate understanding of (read: Reisen).

[LHCling]

If it doesn't work, then you're (still) doing one of the following things:

• You're still in the purple field, so the quick dash doesn't go very far
• You're still dashing too early
• You're dashing too late
• You're backdashing

Sorry, wrong word. It should be:

• You're still in the purple field, so the quick dash doesn't go very far
• You're still dashing too early
• You're dashing too late
• You're forward dashing

EDIT: Would you prefer a quick video?
Oh, and I can't get a replay going because my runs are just that inconsistent.

Anyway, the method I go about doing Reimu's 2nd SC is to dash in at the right time, so that you time 1-a few hits (or a spell card) which is just after the orbs bounce the first time. You'll suffer from a bit of chip every now and then from blocking / being hit by the "residual" orbs.

[nintendonut888]

Hmm. I seem to have covered up that problem with Komachi's second by simply doing well enough on the rest of her to not die.

The one biggest obstacle I'm having now is Tenshi's third spell card, I'm dead serious. :| At this point I never have any spell cards left.

[LHCling]

Hmm. I seem to have covered up that problem with Komachi's second by simply doing well enough on the rest of her to not die.

...
Standard rule of a first 1cc: Don't take unnecessary risks.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cp14n76JKTg

The one biggest obstacle I'm having now is Tenshi's third spell card, I'm dead serious.

Yeah, well I can't even get past Komachi without expending all continues + all lives, so there.

[Esoterica]

The one biggest obstacle I'm having now is Tenshi's third spell card, I'm dead serious. :| At this point I never have any spell cards left.

This one, right?

Graze lasers, watch the white orbs since they turn into keystones and shoot up when they hit the ground, and are classified as a melee attack.  I'm not sure how the hell you're going to manage this with Youmu though, since her only graze attack is 623C which'll get you slaughtered when you land, and her bullets are all terrible.

[nintendonut888]

Actually one of her alternate 236BCs is a graze attack, and powered up can take nearly a third of a spell card's meter. The problem is that those lasers punish me whenever I use it. It doesn't help that all the keystones block my bullets. :<

[Esoterica]

Actually one of her alternate 236BCs is a graze attack, and powered up can take nearly a third of a spell card's meter. The problem is that those lasers punish me whenever I use it. It doesn't help that all the keystones block my bullets. :<

You mean alt.214?  I don't use it, so I wasn't sure if that was a graze attack or not.

I'm pretty sure I already know the answer to this, but are the lasers reflectable with 236BC? Disregard that, I'd bet money they aren't.

And Youmu has non-continuous graze during her dash too.  Honestly, at this point I'm thinking you should just save spellcards for this specific attack.  If quantity's an issue, try to stick to 2-3 card supers instead of 4-5 card ones.  With story mode's tiny healthbars you don't really need all that extra firepower anyway.

[nintendonut888]

lol that move. I replace it with the green whirlwind move ASAP because it's USELESS. I'm pretty sure no story mode spell card bullets can be reflected though, so yeah.

[Esoterica]

lol that move. I replace it with the green whirlwind move ASAP because it's USELESS. I'm pretty sure no story mode spell card bullets can be reflected though, so yeah.

Smart move. :V

Well, the only non-spellcard method I'm seeing then would probably be 6C alt.22BC (Wicked Soul), but I'm pretty sure you don't want to get rid of the default 22.

If you have to use spellcards in the end, blue sword should end it in one shot.  Yes, I realize that contradicts what I said above. :x

I'll look into it a bit more in the morning, I wasn't planning on staying up so late tonight.  Best of luck to you.

[nintendonut888]

Huh, the solution to it is the same as like every other spell card: Stop being so impatient and wait for an opening to present itself. There's a sizable amount of time after Tenshi is finished laser spamming where she leaves herself open.

Also for curiosity's sake I tried using the reflecting move in spell practice and it didn't work. Of course. O bet that counterattack move she has wouldn't work either.

[Esoterica]

Huh, the solution to it is the same as like every other spell card: Stop being so impatient and wait for an opening to present itself. There's a sizable amount of time after Tenshi is finished laser spamming where she leaves herself open.

Also for curiosity's sake I tried using the reflecting move in spell practice and it didn't work. Of course. O bet that counterattack move she has wouldn't work either.

Well, whatever works. :V

I was pretty sure it didn't, considering the reflector can't even send Sakuya's knives flying back.

And the counter won't work, since it only activates on melee hits.  And those melee hits can't be from a spellcard.

[Garlyle]

Be happy you're not ending on Suika.

Lunatic Suika makes Tenshi look like a sheep.

[nintendonut888]

I thought Suika was considered the easiest final boss. >_> Yukari at least turns her into a joke. Still, I purposefully chose a character who fights Tenshi so I can say I've defeated every character in the series on lunatic. Well, other than the giant catfish.

BTW, I have 4 3 card supers, all of which are highly effective on spell cards where the opponent is floating, and two are planned for use on Yukari alone. I've tested it and it's not very effective on Tenshi's third spell card anyway. If I could somehow keep one until Scarlet Weather Rhapsody of all Mankind, I could take out an entire phase of it in one blow. I'm still wanting help for that attack by the way...

[shadowbringer]

last time I was a good guy and cared to play as Yukari, this time, my patience with Lunatic Story Modes has ended, so I'll go for the least effort rule and choose someone who either has good projectiles (against spellcards) or gets to face easier bosses.

So, if you just want to 1cc this game, please check this:
http://rapidshare.com/files/301967198/1103_1701_suika_story.rep.html

notes:
- watch out for the startup time of Suika's C projectiles, you can see that I got hit on Iku's second spellcard because of this. Also, when you use them, your hitbox becomes larger, it can get you hit as well (for example, against Iku's last spellcard)
- Iku's last pattern is random, I don't even bother dying on it, knowing it's not my fault but the game's. (not that IaMP Lunatic Story Mode is exempt of that random factor. To me, they take the fun of Normal Story Mode away by randomizing the attack opportunities in a way that said opportunities are very scarce -- if you go for spellcard captures)
- had no idea how to clear Tenshi's second spellcard, and didn't memo correctly her third (and had no ready plan against that one as well, besides using the stones to cover myself with)
- lol @ her final pattern, the designers must be lol'ing at the fact that, if I try to lure the beam and then dash through it (and Tenshi together), I would have a clear shot at her, so what did they do on Lunatic? Make her spread these slow needle shots. I would be angry if she would take away one more life (and thus force me to use my spellcard) from me due to that.

[nintendonut888]

I've come this far with Youmu and you expect me to take the easy way out? It's because I didn't want to take the easy route that I didn't use Yukari and her foregoing of Iku's last spell card and gap hax trivializing Suika.

[shadowbringer]

but.. I'm using Suika, not Yukari here.. (Donut hasn't checked my replay.. yet again)

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[/disappointed]

[LHCling]

Doppler Effect

No Spell Card method is going to take a while. For it to take 2 lives off me is just plain ridiculous. Got guard crushed too often, air blocked too much, etc.

EDIT:

I like where this is going.
EDIT 2: Alright, I've mastered "Doppler Effect" for you. Video to come.

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[/disappointed]

He does this a lot to me too.

[Esoterica]

If I could somehow keep one until Scarlet Weather Rhapsody of all Mankind, I could take out an entire phase of it in one blow. I'm still wanting help for that attack by the way...

lol, this spell

First phases, just graze the bullets and hit her in the face (obviously).  After the lasers come in, misdirect them by jumping and flying down (you'll probably want to dash under her when you land as well).  If you get stuck in one, Border Escape ASAP or you'll get looped by it until you eventually die.  It seems like bullshit at first, but once you get used to redirecting the lasers you'll see it's probably the easiest final card in the series.

And I'd recommend against flying over her, if only because you'll drain a massive chunk of your spirit doing so.

[AlexX Unlimited]

I guess while we're here... Is there any reliable way to dodge Yukari's Flying Insect's Nest? That's about all that messes up my (normal mode) plays of Reisen. If not for that I'm sure I could 1CC it, but I try to graze, I try to misdirect, those nonstop lasers keep getting me and Yukari doesn't stop long enough for any of my attacks to do any reasonable damage to her.

[Esoterica]

I guess while we're here... Is there any reliable way to dodge Yukari's Flying Insect's Nest? That's about all that messes up my (normal mode) plays of Reisen. If not for that I'm sure I could 1CC it, but I try to graze, I try to misdirect, those nonstop lasers keep getting me and Yukari doesn't stop long enough for any of my attacks to do any reasonable damage to her.

Top half of the screen is completely open for you to spam whatever you want at her.

[AlexX Unlimited]

Top half of the screen is completely open for you to spam whatever you want at her.

I tried that. The lasers just began spawning higher up and fire at me from there.

I tried misdirecting them by bringing them up and then firing the ground before jumping up again to dodge when they start to fire from the ground, but I kept getting caught.

[Esoterica]

I tried that. The lasers just began spawning higher up and fire at me from there.

I tried misdirecting them by bringing them up and then firing the ground before jumping up again to dodge when they start to fire from the ground, but I kept getting caught.

Unless it's somehow harder on normal than lunatic, they shouldn't even get a chance to redirect.

[nintendonut888]

I use a spell card to take out that one. I developed a way to beat it without one, but it's highly luck-based.

And shadowbringer, I didn't watch the replay (I was at school), but I knew you were using Suika. I said that because for me Yukari would be the easy way out.

lol, this spell

First phases, just graze the bullets and hit her in the face (obviously).  After the lasers come in, misdirect them by jumping and flying down (you'll probably want to dash under her when you land as well).  If you get stuck in one, Border Escape ASAP or you'll get looped by it until you eventually die.  It seems like bullshit at first, but once you get used to redirecting the lasers you'll see it's probably the easiest final card in the series.

And I'd recommend against flying over her, if only because you'll drain a massive chunk of your spirit doing so.

That...doesn't sound like that card at all. First, unless you're mistaken in thinking I'm using Yukari, I have no idea what "border escape" means. Second, you can't "misdirect" the lasers in the second phase, and you didn't answer the most crucial question of how I am supposed to deal with the slow moving lasers Tenshi shoots out. >_>

Finally, Baity I look forward to this video.

[Serela]

First, unless you're mistaken in thinking I'm using Yukari, I have no idea what "border escape" means.

Border Escape - Press D twice during blockstun, plus a direction. This will cancel blockstun with a red flash at the cost of crushing one spirit orb, and move you in the direction that correlates to the direction you held. Hold 4 when tapping D to backdash, 6 to forward dash, 1 to highjump 7, 2 to highjump 8, and 3 to highjump 9.

Basically, it lets you escape an attack you are blocking at the cost of one spirit orb.

[LHCling]

Finally, Baity I look forward to this video.

Here you go. Note that I don't use anything complicated because too many button inputs = high risk of messing up. So I naturally played it quite safe.

[?q]

Hope you haven't seen this yet.

[AlexX Unlimited]

Unless it's somehow harder on normal than lunatic, they shouldn't even get a chance to redirect.

Are we talking about the same attack?

I'm talking about the third one in this video. Its not me playing... And Lunatic mode... But the attack juggles me around like it does with this person at first (and when I try to continuously dash back and forth to graze the shots like this person does, a laser gets me while I'm turning).