Valkyrie Sky in non-moonspeak world. Finally.

[Helix ⑨]

Can some one guide me on changing your job? I am a level 13 mage now, and I absolutely love all 4 of my skills. What are the pros and cons about changing your job and how does it work?

[Be Pok U (1998 burst style)]

Cripple Barrier is horrible unless you for some reason want to spend 60 JP maxing it out.

I don't know why none of you swear by Throw Sword, it's easily one of the best crowd clearing Swordman skills there is. It's a good contender for DPS next to Penta Slash, Spirit Swords and can cancel bullets, which make it good for evading stuff like when using Leap Smash and Mangling. Only disadvantage Throw Sword has is you can't attack while you use it (for obvious reasons) but you should have decent timing to know when to use it. Sadly I still have a bunch of retarded deaths as a result.

Most of the bosses use their appendages/weapons to attack you WHILE shooting you at the same time so they do it regardless of whether or not you're right in their face. The first annoying instance of this is Stair Bridge (yeah lots of annoying firsts in Bifrost, I fucking hate that area) Stage 3's midboss, who throws his staff at you while doing stereotypical circle bullet spread. If you get hit by the staff's wonky hitboss, you will be dead for sure.

Regin's Destiny is a waste of 70 CHR, which I'm definitely sure is a typo or bug. :/

For the sake of damage it might be a waste. But everyone goes for the dps builds 
It has its use in groups mostly, like when your party becomes stupid in abysmal labyrinth.

And I already have throw sword, for your information  :V Some people aren't taking it probably because they can't spam it in pvp.

Did you get to Heavenly Cloud yet ? the mid boss has detachable FIST SMASH; or the boss of Forgotten Ville(?) throws his scythe in a circular arc at you, not quite Elly but eh. And you guys keep talking about Stair Bridge.

every class seems to have at least one items with weird requirements, might be intentional. Since bowman had a mistletoe bow that had a 55 Luck requirement. No one would use it though  :V

Can some one guide me on changing your job? I am a level 13 mage now, and I absolutely love all 4 of my skills. What are the pros and cons about changing your job and how does it work?

push X; have the stat requirement, pick job, click job viola.
You want to change class because you want good passive skills for your little grid.

[Helix ⑨]

But I wanna be a mage :S won't changing job prevent me from leveling my old skills? Also the ingame text (which seems to be translated very, very poorly) states that passive skills don't stack (I think) but in my experience they definetly stack. Cause I have a x% chance per hit to create that damage barrier (X being level of passive skill). That would currently give me a 3% chance, but it feels more like 3+3+3+2=11% (as if it does stack).

But anyway, it is still possible to play 'mage' using it's 4 skills while being a wizard just to get passive skills?

[Be Pok U (1998 burst style)]

But I wanna be a mage :S won't changing job prevent me from leveling my old skills? Also the ingame text (which seems to be translated very, very poorly) states that passive skills don't stack (I think) but in my experience they definetly stack. Cause I have a x% chance per hit to create that damage barrier (X being level of passive skill). That would currently give me a 3% chance, but it feels more like 3+3+3+2=11% (as if it does stack).

But anyway, it is still possible to play 'mage' using it's 4 skills while being a wizard just to get passive skills?

Yea changing jobs will prevent leveling of old class skills, plus the +100 expertise bonus only applies for current class skills.

But you can always change back later, or wait till you've maxed the skills you currently want to max; since you only get to bring 4 anyway.

Passive stack with diminishing returns I think.

[AlexX Unlimited]

I'm currently using a summoner tamer. Once I max out crow and puma I was thinking of changing class, so anyone have recommendations for my last two skills?

I'm trying to go for stuff that can hit areas or multiple enemies (like lasers, exploding shots, etc.) since my main minion can handle individual enemies just fine.

-I'm not using Willowisp because despite the AoE explosion it has some serious issues targetting tough enemies rather than enemy groups, and cannot target bosses at all.

-Swarm is highly meh. Its homing and hits multiple times, but I honestly would prefer something else.

[Ghaleon]

But I wanna be a mage :S won't changing job prevent me from leveling my old skills? Also the ingame text (which seems to be translated very, very poorly) states that passive skills don't stack (I think) but in my experience they definitely stack. Cause I have a x% chance per hit to create that damage barrier (X being level of passive skill). That would currently give me a 3% chance, but it feels more like 3+3+3+2=11% (as if it does stack).

But anyway, it is still possible to play 'mage' using it's 4 skills while being a wizard just to get passive skills?

you push 'x' as the default button, pick another class, make sure you have the requirements. And just so you know (I didn't know until I blew like all my gold at the time doing this like 4 times.. booo), it costs more and more gold every time you do it. I think it's 5000 by the 3rd time, and 10000 by the 4th, etc.

After you change your class/job/whatever. you lose the 100 bonus skill to your existing skills...which I don't think does anything except you lose 1 use of cooldown at the beginning of each stage (but you still can use it as many times before, it's just not pre-loaded). But allows you to train the skills of your other class, and you can still USE the old skills from your last class.

I would definitely recommend maxing out at least 1 skill of each class though just so you can see the passive skill bonuses you get from each one.

I personally don't know what it takes to unlock the middle skill thing >=(

[8lue Wizard]

I'm currently using a summoner tamer. Once I max out crow and puma I was thinking of changing class, so anyone have recommendations for my last two skills?

I'm trying to go for stuff that can hit areas or multiple enemies (like lasers, exploding shots, etc.) since my main minion can handle individual enemies just fine.

Crow and Puma are indeed pure awesomeness. I find Bouncing Blow (Conj) good for supplemental crowd control. I'm only on lvl2, and it's already kicking ass pretty well. Once I get that maxed out, I'll probably go with Rage (Conj) for my fourth, but I'm told Arcane Sword (Summ) is good for defense, if you wanna go that way.

[ebarrett]

I personally don't know what it takes to unlock the middle skill thing >=(

Apparently nobody does  :V

Probably wasn't implemented yet.

edit: ok, so is my computer really that ancient or is input lag around 250ms normal? I'm guessing it's the former, seeing as I even had a quite severe fps drop during leafy forest, making things even harder for a while. twice as much considering that my archer has been pretty much soloing everything, what with nobody actually being in the lvl20 range. (currently lvl21, trying Annex Palace.... stages 1-3 are ridiculously easy compared to Forgotten Ville and Leafy Forest, but that overgrown fairy midboss is very hard when you can't twitch out of the way of her spreadshotgun because of technical limitations + inherently below average reflexes meaning I have to see it coming half a second earlier)

[Ghaleon]

protip (pro being me, with 3-4 days of experience, you cannot deny that level of gurudom..yeah): filling up the boost mode thingie is much easier if you rapidly tap fire instead of hold the fire button down >=P. It fills up while you're firing. I notice your character moves ever so slightly faster while not shooting though, it might screw you up if you're really really hyper-reactive with any speed changes, dunno.

Likewise, tapping the boost button thing 'x' instead of holding it down makes it deplete the gauge less fast, without really making you move any slower. yay.

[ebarrett]

Just failed the Annex Palace midboss 15 times in a row. 

Got very close a few times but these were thanks to the snare passive activating at the right moments. What is more annoying is that I know I would barely break a sweat if it wasn't for the blasted input lag making me twitch late a million times, or ramming a bullet when reading everything in time to compensate but forgetting that I also should let go of the arrow key an instant earlier.

edit: got past it in the 16th and went on to beat Annex Palace with a little help from another bowman. yay!

Muting everything doesn't mute the rain.  :V

[Ghaleon]

I just got a unique(high) bow perfectly itemized for me... too bad it's 2 levels too high for me. but still... *drools*.

[trancehime]

For the sake of damage it might be a waste. But everyone goes for the dps builds 
It has its use in groups mostly, like when your party becomes stupid in abysmal labyrinth.

And I already have throw sword, for your information  :V Some people aren't taking it probably because they can't spam it in pvp.

Did you get to Heavenly Cloud yet ? the mid boss has detachable FIST SMASH; or the boss of Forgotten Ville(?) throws his scythe in a circular arc at you, not quite Elly but eh. And you guys keep talking about Stair Bridge.

every class seems to have at least one items with weird requirements, might be intentional. Since bowman had a mistletoe bow that had a 55 Luck requirement. No one would use it though  :V

I spent like 10k soul stone and still no key so I have absolutely no reason to care about Abysmal Labyrinth right now, yeah sure the seal weapons are great but if I can't even go inside the fucking place what is the goddamn point.

Point 1) I was referring to Throw Sword as a PvE awesome skill. Every swordsman worth their salt knows Leap Smash and Spirit Blades are the only PvP skills worth using.

Point 2) Legia in Ancient Abyss can stun you if you touch her trident EVEN IF SHE'S NOT USING IT. Uhh the boss of Low Swamp can hit you with her bow if you get unlucky. Zheldo can annoy you with his wonky hitbox and he loves to fly around the stage. COUNTLESS bosses do this.

[WHMZakeri]

I spent like 10k soul stone and still no key so I have absolutely no reason to care about Abysmal Labyrinth right now, yeah sure the seal weapons are great but if I can't even go inside the fucking place what is the goddamn point.

I've been there twice so far, and there actually is a very good reason to go there.

BECAUSE IT'S FUN!

The boss rush is so exciting, it's like you're fighting a regular Touhou boss battle, except it's more like you have IN's spellcard practice set on randomize. There's awesome music playing (like always) and you're all fighting with your friends against the pressure of all that Danmaku, trying to see how long you'll make it.

It even creates memories, good and bad (Stoopid Niddrash )

[trancehime]

Key word is right now.

Give me the luck for keys and maybe I'll have some fun!

Because like I said I spent a LOT of soul stones because I really wanted to do Abysmal Labyrinth, but my luck refuses to spawn keys so I said "fuck it I'll do it later"

[FinnKaenbyou]

I intend to sit down with this game again tonight. See if I can actually GET somewhere this time. >_>

[Helix ⑨]

Just did Stair Bridge for the first time. Needed 2 tries on stage 3. Had 3 clipdeaths on his staff throw :V

[Ghaleon]

Just did Stair Bridge for the first time. Needed 2 tries on stage 3. Had 3 clipdeaths on his staff throw :V

teehee, yeah that staff chuck really catches you off guard. Another boss that killed me once by suprise factor was the stage 5 boss in the barren woods zone. stupid dragon that flies from the bottom middle of the screen...and not under or over you, but no.. just wtfpwns you as it spawns. aghaghag.

sigh.. so yeah, there's a similar boss. stage 5 velvet valley there's a guy named kamovs.. he's such bs. that sword he throws kills me at least once every time I fight him. it's retarded, there's absolutely nothing I can do about it. Just last time I was far away, and he threw his sword, I managed to boost away from it..but it turned around followed me, killed me. Seriously, wtf is that crap. Most of the time it's just hard to dodge, but at least once every time it just keeps chasing you until you die, bs.

[WHMZakeri]

stupid dragon that flies from the bottom middle of the screen...and not under or over you, but no.. just wtfpwns you as it spawns. aghaghag.

Niddrash... bleh *shivers*

in my second abysmal labrynth run, we got Niddrash as our second fight. I lost all three of my lives to him and him alone. One was because of that damned Surprize butsecks backstab.

Speaking of which, I'm getting increasing Agitated with my summoner. The attack Method of the summoner's pet is basically to attack the newest enemy on the screen. The newest. This means that if enough enemies appear, the monster will ignore enemies that are shooting at you, enemies that are disappearing off the screen soon, and that more often than not thanks to the symmetrical spawn design of most stages it will be swinging wildly yet slowly back and forth across the screen when there are perfectly good enemies to kill right next to it. What this basically means is that you are the most failure summoner to ever exist unless/until you get the Puma skill from the tamer class.

I've tried fixing this by letting go of the attack and reseting the targets, and it will attack the nearest monster if you do this. The problem though is the lag between calling back and sending out the pt is so large that it only sometimes actually makes a difference. It's also a very temporary solution as well.

[Helix ⑨]

Anyone else just loving the perfect english translations? In your fishing menu it says 'catched' I died a little inside...

[Sodium]

Korean MMOs without the hilarious Engrish translations wouldn't be the same. =V

Anyways, started playing 2 days ago, and I'm SMD31FX(lvl8 Conjurer, Asen).

Also, saw Ghaleon fishing.

[Zengar Zombolt]

Korean MMOs without the hilarious Engrish translations wouldn't be the same. =V

The war is begin!

[FinnKaenbyou]

I tried to play Valkyrie Sky again, but I am convinced it hates me.

I fought the Cockatrice, and got killed when it decided to fly INTO me. T_T

[Sodium]

I fought the Cockatrice, and got killed when it decided to fly INTO me. T_T

How'd you manage that?

[Ghaleon]

<\3 stage 5 boss in ancient abyss. it likes to fly right up to me then cast eternal meek.

Soo... I got a few questions.

1: abyssal labryinth, is this level 30+? what is it? boss rush mode basically? If it picks bosses that are say, in the level 10-20s range instead of 30+, does it beef them up somehow so they aren't a joke? How many bosses are there (assuming it is boss rush mode), if you die before killing them all is the loot forfeit (like if you die on a stage 5)?

2: how do I get a key for it? I'd assume donating soulstones at the well, but the tutorial thingie at 20 only mentioned it giving those crummy pvp spells. How do I get soulstones other than pvping? I hear archers suck at it so I kinda wanna avoid it if possible.

3: is level 30 some kinda soft-cap? I see a great deal of level 30 people, almost no level 31-39 people.. and a few 40s and 50s (without any in betweens again), is there a good reason for this? or am I just experiencing some kinda astronomical coincidence?

Thanks in advance for any help.

[WHMZakeri]

"To restore your life, press the Recover batoon in the character menu."

1. You gets keys for the Lab at levels 28, 38, 48, and 58. If you check the AH, you'll see people selling the 58 level ones for a few million. Don't forget to keep in mind what the level cap is. :V

It picks bosses that you've likely encountered by then. They don't beef up at all other than the usual method of # of party members. It's basically just one boss after another with no stage in between. You get the chance to beat up thirty different bosses, and after every ten, they give you an option to quit. You, naturally get seals for winning, and after the first ten, you get one seal, the second ten, 6 seals, and I don't know how many for a full clear.

2. That's exactly how you get it. And you get soul stones by having taken over crystals (you should be getting soul stones now if you're logged in.) Basically, you don't have to worry about gathering it. Just be online whenever CANAAN, FOX, or White are online (effing Asen.)

3. umm ... what? I'm level 33 right now, what are you talking about?

[ebarrett]

"To restore your life, press the Recover batoon in the character menu."

That's because "button" is bleeped out by the word filter. True story.

If you check the AH, you'll see people selling the 58 level ones for a few million.

And nobody buying, I'm trying to sell a gold key for ~250k for almost a week now.

[WHMZakeri]

That's because "button" is bleeped out by the word filter. True story.

ha ha, you said "butt" :V

And nobody buying, I'm trying to sell a gold key for ~250k for almost a week now.

Don't forget to keep in mind what the level cap is. :V

Trying to sell a Key that no one can use or keep until they can use it will net you much, much less gran than trying to sell a Scroll of Evolution.

[ebarrett]

Trying to sell a Key that no one can use or keep until they can use it will net you much, much less gran than trying to sell a Scroll of Evolution.

DURRR ME only now I noticed it.

Now excuse me while I commit seppuku.

[trancehime]

2. That's exactly how you get it. And you get soul stones by having taken over crystals (you should be getting soul stones now if you're logged in.) Basically, you don't have to worry about gathering it. Just be online whenever CANAAN, FOX, or White are online (effing Asen.)

yeah well Bran has fucking ShilLaRen so you don't complain T___T

[WHMZakeri]

yeah well Bran has fucking ShilLaRen so you don't complain T___T

I see your pathetic attampt at having us to sympathize with a group of people that are forcing us to pay 1.5 times the normal teleportation fee, and raise you another name that greatly annoys us: burning.

Seriously, you guys have 24 hour service over there. You're not allowed to complain back.