Your first experience at (any) Touhou game(s).

[Zengeku]

I'll see if this works when I head to campus next Monday.  I'm glad I didn't have to wait hours to finish d/l MoF, since I d/l the game on campus (T3 ftw).

I haven't experienced Stage 4 on Hard/Lunatic, but I'll eventually get there sooner or later (the X days, X months, and X years applies to this, too), but yeah, thanks for the heads-up.  After watching a perfect Aya run (despite screwing around in the midst of the stage run), I'm not really sure if I can handle something like that just after a few attempts - I'm sure it'll take tons of attempts to get used to the spell cards.  Aya's "Peerless Wind God" is something that I'd end up bombing often, if I happen to reach it, and I'm sure everyone did that when they first encountered the spell card.  I wished I could master this in a matter of months, just like the persistent others, but real-life things just get in the way...

I think I'll start MoF on Easy to be safe than sorry.  Then Normal, then slowly to Hard or Extra, then if possible, Lunatic (though this part's unlikely to happen in less than a month).  I'll start my MoF debut on Monday, assuming that it works on school comps.

Remember to download the dll. files you need beforehand. You might not be able to download stuff on the school comps even if it is just onto a USB-stick or something like that.

And don't be jealous of those persistent ones. The point of a game is to have fun and not necessarily be good at it. I don't get why everyone want to be masters in just a year. How prestigeful would that be? "Oh, i've got a year worth of experience!". Well, i'd rather be able to say "Well i have been playing these games for over 5 years." Another thing that might be worth considering is: What about afterwards? At some time you will reach a point where you have done anything. Beat lunatic in all ridiculous ways conceivable. Same thing with Extra. Capped all spells. Timed them all out and the games are gradually getting more and more boring. I think thats a pretty realistic scenario. Thats another of the reasons why i don't feel like practicing all the time. I want to take my sweet time and enjoy the games to the fullest.

With these games i have something to improve myself at. Something to get better at. There is always a goal looming in the horizon and there simply won't be that once everything have been done. You could say that Touhou is my life but not in the typical way. I want the life to last forever unlike most who apparently seems to want to get it over with as fast as possible. Of course that doesn't have to be the case. Some people might even just practice in order to prove themself to others rather than satisfy themselves.

Well, i'm done with my preaching. Now its time to go play something thats not Touhou.

[Contempt]

My first was IN, I got to Marisa as the border team and that's when I started having trouble. I was surprised I got that far with just a few deaths and bombings. I think I actually beat normal in 1cc my first time, probably because I watched the replay before hand.

[Zengeku]

I got my little brother to try Subterranean Animism Easy yesterday. He got game over at Yamame.

[Lord Scalgon]

Remember to download the dll. files you need beforehand. You might not be able to download stuff on the school comps even if it is just onto a USB-stick or something like that.

And don't be jealous of those persistent ones. The point of a game is to have fun and not necessarily be good at it. I don't get why everyone want to be masters in just a year. How prestigeful would that be? "Oh, i've got a year worth of experience!". Well, i'd rather be able to say "Well i have been playing these games for over 5 years." Another thing that might be worth considering is: What about afterwards? At some time you will reach a point where you have done anything. Beat lunatic in all ridiculous ways conceivable. Same thing with Extra. Capped all spells. Timed them all out and the games are gradually getting more and more boring. I think thats a pretty realistic scenario. Thats another of the reasons why i don't feel like practicing all the time. I want to take my sweet time and enjoy the games to the fullest.

With these games i have something to improve myself at. Something to get better at. There is always a goal looming in the horizon and there simply won't be that once everything have been done. You could say that Touhou is my life but not in the typical way. I want the life to last forever unlike most who apparently seems to want to get it over with as fast as possible. Of course that doesn't have to be the case. Some people might even just practice in order to prove themself to others rather than satisfy themselves.

Well, i'm done with my preaching. Now its time to go play something thats not Touhou.

I just tested MoF in my flash drive with the .dll file in the game directory, and luckily, it works.  Sucks that I can't do it in full screen though, but at least window works, so I guess I'll stick to that.

Unless it's Warcraft 3, I don't really take games seriously, unless I'm bored out of my mind or something.  Sure, I may have captured almost all Lunatic spell cards in IN (though in spell practice), but that doesn't make me fully confident that I'd capture other Lunatic spell cards in PCB, SA, etc.  I've been playing Touhou for almost exactly a year now, so I should feel confident about myself.  I guess certain people want to play Lunatic just to show off.  As for me, a 1CC on any Touhou game on Lunatic isn't one of my main goals, but that's something other Touhou players would want to achieve.

Back when I was spell practicing in IN, there were certain spell cards where I became very persistent.  I practiced and practiced until a certain number of tries, and then I eventually captured them.  Of course, there were certain spell cards that I'd never want to play again, like the Last Word spell card 215 (Fantasy Heaven).  After about 400 attempts, I'm like 'I am never playing this spell card ever again.'  I'm pretty sure everyone else who captured it agreed as well.

(Come to think of it...I was reading this discussion in touhou.wikia...this MSH guy who claimed he had a legit 485 million UFO replay (and eventually a 621...or 685 million UFO replay) is a cheater?  I wished I could delve into it more, but the forum posts appeared to be deleted.  I only know a little Japanese (took 3 years of Japanese in school), so translators are the way to go.  I never played UFO, but I already know how hard it is on Lunatic.)

EDIT: So I managed to earn my first (small) achievement of MoF: a 1CC on Easy.  I do admit, though, that I've made quite a few mistakes, but it's normal.  Next goal: 1CC on Normal

[Zengeku]

Next monday i will have played for exactly a year. I wonder how you celebrate that "much more important than christmas and birthday" date?

Anyway playing Touhou on Lunatic just for show off is maybe a the driving force of some. Its not what makes me play the games though. Of course, showing off is super-?ber awesome but you can make most people's jaw drop on the Normal difficulty so the only reason i continue playing after clearing all games on Hard is because i like them very much. Touhou is one of the best game series i have ever played. It's even better than Final Fantasy which held my heart a year back (well, it still does but having beat all those games 5-6 times it gets a little old.)

I understand that you play a lot of Warcraft huh? Well, i've never found much love for RTS games. I just suck at those and the gameplay isn't very appealing in my opinion. It takes patience and persistency. Patience and persistency i don't have. I could clear a Touhou game in the time it takes to beat a mission in some RTS games. I just don't like that kind of gameplay very much. Do you like any other game genres?

PS: I know you don't like diggin' in the past, but when i saw that attempt to pass off a TAS PCB Lunatic Clear as legit i thought you were nothing but a poor loser not deserving of the flesh you had been granted. You could say that you are proof that even the lousiest of all sins can be redeemed.

[Alfred F. Jones]

Re: Your first experience at (any) Touhou game(s).

Crushed by my own Hakurei Yin-Yang Orb in Highly Responsive to Prayers. Stage one. About ten seconds in.

Decided that I would play something else.

Killed by random shot about five seconds into Story of Eastern Wonderland.

Decided that I would maybe try to play one of the Windows games.

Killed about seven seconds into EoSD easy mode. By crashing into random fairy.

"... wow, I really suck at this! ... COOL!"

(It took me about two weeks to discover what focused fire was, and about two and a half months later to beat EoSD easy. Aw man, good times, good times.)

[Lord Scalgon]

Next monday i will have played for exactly a year. I wonder how you celebrate that "much more important than christmas and birthday" date?

Anyway playing Touhou on Lunatic just for show off is maybe a the driving force of some. Its not what makes me play the games though. Of course, showing off is super-?ber awesome but you can make most people's jaw drop on the Normal difficulty so the only reason i continue playing after clearing all games on Hard is because i like them very much. Touhou is one of the best game series i have ever played. It's even better than Final Fantasy which held my heart a year back (well, it still does but having beat all those games 5-6 times it gets a little old.)

I understand that you play a lot of Warcraft huh? Well, i've never found much love for RTS games. I just suck at those and the gameplay isn't very appealing in my opinion. It takes patience and persistency. Patience and persistency i don't have. I could clear a Touhou game in the time it takes to beat a mission in some RTS games. I just don't like that kind of gameplay very much. Do you like any other game genres?

PS: I know you don't like diggin' in the past, but when i saw that attempt to pass off a TAS PCB Lunatic Clear as legit i thought you were nothing but a poor loser not deserving of the flesh you had been granted. You could say that you are proof that even the lousiest of all sins can be redeemed.

Congrats!  I don't remember the exact date I started playing Touhou, but it's somewhere in late May or early June...can't exactly remember when.  I'm not sure how I'm gonna celebrate, but...um, give me some time to think about it.

Anyway, I'll just assume the fact that I watch Lunatic replays just to entertain myself, really, and nothing else.  I know it's an incredible feat by the successful, but if they achieve it, congrats.  As of now, I only made a small achievement that is not Lunatic (which I posted above), but hey - at least it's worth something.

Yeah, I play a lot of Warcraft...been fighting in Warcraft 3 since 2003.  It took me a good 5 months to at least become decent, and for the record, the race I mostly played was Undead. Many don't succeed to be decent because there's so much to learn.  It takes days...maybe months to adapt to a race,  If anyone can play Random, that's an added bonus!  We've got someone here in MotK that can play Random (take a guess), yet I can't.  Oh well.

I don't know if I'll be looking forward to Starcraft II, though.  Thing is, I have to update my desktop.  This means more RAM as well as a better video card.  I fail if I don't meet the conditions...

I'm also into RPG's as well...but I mostly play the Pokemon games (Diamond/Pearl/Platinum), since I happen to be a competitive battler.  Problem is, since I'm stressing out with my schoolwork, I really don't have that much time to progress through...therefore I don't have time to build a competitive team.  I've faced hacked teams before, and scraped them, but it's not too uncommon for something like that to happen.  Once finals are over, hopefully I'll be able to return to establishing a better team and whatnot.  Other than that, I play Final Fantasy games (from 1-12, did not beat 9 and 12...11 doesn't count), the old-school Descent series (first 3D FPS ever, iirc), and I even make games via RPG Maker XP/VX.  Speaking of that, I'm trying to make a game similar to the Dynasty Warriors games, except I use my own original characters, but it's just not working well due to scripting errors (I have a friend that does scripting...he's not pro at scripting, so not much I can do about it).  I just haven't worked in it for quite a long time (and it's easy to be incapable of progressing when the time comes).

As for my sins, though I'm not positive if this is the right word, but I can only think of 'penance'.  There's someone that's worse than me, seriously, and that's the guy I mentioned above (the MSH guy).  I guess I should just say 'honest to God' when I really have to if I cleared anything that's considered 'Lunatic'.  As I said before, at least my 'Hourai Jewel Lunatic' replay/video is deemed legit, and I have a lot of evidence to prove that fact.  There is obviously no need for me to say those three words if it's a 1CC on Easy in any game - anyone can achieve that.

*expects someone to say tl;dr, and I understand

[Vile Lasagna]

I 1CC'd normal, that is "proof" I'll 1CC SA Lunatic one day in the not necessarily foreseeable future. Touhou has somewhat less to learn than an RTS from the point of view that characters are not usually so wildly different and although there are many spells it's only "one set". Very different from Warcraft or Starcraft, for instance, that particularly excel at variation (especially Star, HELL YEAH ZERGLINGS!). But it's the same principle (particularly because the touhou difficulty curve IS steeper). You play a litte, you learn a little. You play some more, you learn some more... There's not much rushing these kind of things.

As for SC2. We all have to upgrade our machines at SOME point. I started playing SC in what, 2006? You're ALWAYS in time to pick that up (despite all the hissing and RRRAAAAAAAGGGGGEEEEE that you might experience from all the planned changes. I do, but Blizzard certainly earned my trust)
HAHAHAHA! DISREGARD THAT, I SUCK WOW! (shit killed Warcraft with the fire, spat on it, shit on top and then poured dusted britney spears albums all over it)

[Zengeku]

Congrats!  I don't remember the exact date I started playing Touhou, but it's somewhere in late May or early June...can't exactly remember when.  I'm not sure how I'm gonna celebrate, but...um, give me some time to think about it.

Anyway, I'll just assume the fact that I watch Lunatic replays just to entertain myself, really, and nothing else.  I know it's an incredible feat by the successful, but if they achieve it, congrats.  As of now, I only made a small achievement that is not Lunatic (which I posted above), but hey - at least it's worth something.

Yeah, I play a lot of Warcraft...been fighting in Warcraft 3 since 2003.  It took me a good 5 months to at least become decent, and for the record, the race I mostly played was Undead. Many don't succeed to be decent because there's so much to learn.  It takes days...maybe months to adapt to a race,  If anyone can play Random, that's an added bonus!  We've got someone here in MotK that can play Random (take a guess), yet I can't.  Oh well.

I don't know if I'll be looking forward to Starcraft II, though.  Thing is, I have to update my desktop.  This means more RAM as well as a better video card.  I fail if I don't meet the conditions...

I'm also into RPG's as well...but I mostly play the Pokemon games (Diamond/Pearl/Platinum), since I happen to be a competitive battler.  Problem is, since I'm stressing out with my schoolwork, I really don't have that much time to progress through...therefore I don't have time to build a competitive team.  I've faced hacked teams before, and scraped them, but it's not too uncommon for something like that to happen.  Once finals are over, hopefully I'll be able to return to establishing a better team and whatnot.  Other than that, I play Final Fantasy games (from 1-12, did not beat 9 and 12...11 doesn't count), the old-school Descent series (first 3D FPS ever, iirc), and I even make games via RPG Maker XP/VX.  Speaking of that, I'm trying to make a game similar to the Dynasty Warriors games, except I use my own original characters, but it's just not working well due to scripting errors (I have a friend that does scripting...he's not pro at scripting, so not much I can do about it).  I just haven't worked in it for quite a long time (and it's easy to be incapable of progressing when the time comes).

As for my sins, though I'm not positive if this is the right word, but I can only think of 'penance'.  There's someone that's worse than me, seriously, and that's the guy I mentioned above (the MSH guy).  I guess I should just say 'honest to God' when I really have to if I cleared anything that's considered 'Lunatic'.  As I said before, at least my 'Hourai Jewel Lunatic' replay/video is deemed legit, and I have a lot of evidence to prove that fact.  There is obviously no need for me to say those three words if it's a 1CC on Easy in any game - anyone can achieve that.

*expects someone to say tl;dr, and I understand

Sin is indeed the right word. Of course that's all forgiven now. That MSH guy better hope i don't pick up his scent.

Oh, so you play Final Fantasy huh? Yeah, great games. Can't wait for no. 13 but i'll probably have Lunatic beat in all the games before that happens. I don't care much about Pokemon though. The games are okay and they are great RPG's for kids but i prefer RPG's of incredible challenge value like Lost Odyssey for the Xbox 360 or just RPG's with great storylines. Pokemon have none of that but its still kind of decent if you've got the right mindset.

About Final Fantasy... just out of curiosity. How do you feel about... no. 2, 5, 8 and 12? It is important. The fate of the world might depend on your answer. (No, not really. Just curious.)

[Vile Lasagna]

2 - never played it;
5 - Bloody awesome, 90's random sillyness;
8 - I Meh'd through the first disc. Bloody stupid system made me go into the last battle with no command set. I lost a GF. RAGE QUIT (that and my first disc would crash at the intro);
12 - Pitifully weak all around except for a few little things scattered all around that were bloody brilliant (Rabanastre itself, the town of the Viera... s'more stuff I won't remember). Quite the opposite of 10 (which was awesome but with some really really shitty bits)

[Lord Scalgon]

Sin is indeed the right word. Of course that's all forgiven now. That MSH guy better hope i don't pick up his scent.

Oh, so you play Final Fantasy huh? Yeah, great games. Can't wait for no. 13 but i'll probably have Lunatic beat in all the games before that happens. I don't care much about Pokemon though. The games are okay and they are great RPG's for kids but i prefer RPG's of incredible challenge value like Lost Odyssey for the Xbox 360 or just RPG's with great storylines. Pokemon have none of that but its still kind of decent if you've got the right mindset.

About Final Fantasy... just out of curiosity. How do you feel about... no. 2, 5, 8 and 12? It is important. The fate of the world might depend on your answer. (No, not really. Just curious.)

Yep, played most Final Fantasy games.  Hopefully, I can afford a PS3 before FF13 comes out, and as for the numbers you mentioned:

2 - This game was a joke.  Backstab your party members (just as long as you don't kill them) and their HP increases (wat).  Not only that, when it comes to the final boss, Blood Sword ftw.  Not sure if this works for FF3.
5 - I played both the SNES and GBA, but definitely play the GBA version.  Not only that, you got the epic Gilgamesh theme, which is pretty catchy.  Once you accomplish everything, go after the true final boss. 
8 - Spell grinding makes the game easier.  Better yet, it actually is the 'easiest' game of all the FF games, and sadly, it's the most hated FF game iirc.  Still, it's worth the time.  Bahamut is weak...
12 - Never played, so I can't really say much about this.

After all, I still don't know if I'll be playing Touhou that often before FF13 comes out, since there's other things that just get in the way.  Recently, I missed a Pokemon convention, only because I had a Saturday class (damn you...), but that's life, I guess.

(Speaking of my custom RPG games, I try to make it as challenging and frustrating as possible, but we'll just see what happens...)

[RainfallYoshi]

Haha, what a long story...

I was playing osu! one day and someone decided to play U.N. Owen Is Her? (Ronald Mix) in multiplayer. I didn't know what it was and downloaded it to play.

Queue wtf.

That's the end of that for a few days until I decided to look it up on YouTube to show a friend. I happened to notice then that it was a crazy mix of something, and checked out what it was a remix of. The real U.N. Owen Was Her? was amazing, and I had to find out what game it was from, which lead me to a video of the insanity that is Flandre Scarlet.

After seeing that I thought, "What a crazy game, I'd never be able to play it." That sunk in for a few days until I finally gave in and downloaded EoSD.

Long story short, I couldn't even get past Stage 3 on Easy for awhile...

[Vile Lasagna]

Welcome to the club. EoSD is somewhat tricky. You may want go Marisa A all the way (sure you'll get some hard time with patchy but trust me, Remi and Flan will make you see her damage output with really bright eyes). Play some PCB and IN since they're somewhat more friendly (in b4: ZOMG! PCB IS FUKKEN IMPOSSIBLE (it isn't. It was my first bad ending and my first good ending. There's gotta be a reason for that)). You also want to stay the FUCK AWAY FROM EASY MODE. It'll take you a while but :
1 - You'll actually are going to learn some touhou.
2 - You can't unlock Flan in easy
3 - MAAAJI? EASY MODE? KIMOI!!!

[Ghaleon]

My first experience at Touhou (or any "bullet hell" shmup for that matter) is...TODAY.
anyway I'm playing embodiment of the scarlet devil and I'm totally loving it... ... and hating it lol. Seriously though I was unaware that games were much harder than gradius or whatever for a shootemup.. ok so I know a few, but I've always prided myself on finishing hard games, including I wanna be the guy on very hard and I wanna be the fangame, etc.

Anyway, I've played embodiment of the scarlet devil for pretty much all day now and it's really cool. However I'm dissapointed with my own learning curve. I've been a very good gamer all my life so I've had high expectations for how fast I'd learn the game. I've tried like 5 times now and I just can't beat the game on normal without a continue (I want the good ending damnit), so I've been searching high and low for tips or guides.. or anything to show me how to play better so I can accomplish this (I wish to be able to beat every windows-based tohou game on the hardest difficulty setting in a year >=P).

Anyway I can beat level 1 on normal without any bombs or lives pretty easily (and manage about 60ish power ups). I can beat 2 at max power, and while I can sometimes manage without using a life or a bomb, I occasionally use a bomb on the boss (which is embarrasing, sometimes she actually kills me at which point I just reset).

Stage 3 however is another story. Sometimes I have to use a bomb on the level itself, not just the boss (though not often). But as for the boss, even the mid-level portion is hard as nails for me.. or at least the spellcard part. I just can't seem to figure out why I suck so bad at her. As soon as she uses her only spellcard in the mid-level portion of stage 3, I panic. No matter how many times I try this, it's hard. I've done it without bombs or lives sometimes sure, but I just *FEEL* like I'll never ever ever feel safe doing it.

do bullet hell shmup pros ever feel safe doing this sort of thing? or do they always feel like "oh my god help me!" when they do the thing that they do?

is there some sort or trick to her spell card that makes it easier? I haven't been able to find a youtube video or whatever that shows me one.

Anyway I expected the game to become easier as I eventually figure out the (relatively) safe area of each attack from each boss, but it just seems like 90% of the attacks in the game that I find slightly difficult or worse just don't have such an area.

Anyway the 3rd boss is pretty easy still overall, I feel bad to die in level 3 overall, but I still feel like a noob for consistently using 2, or maybe even 3 bombs on the level, and sometimes I even die.. well alot of the time I die. But sometimes I die and feel too lame to bother resetting cuz of it.

I just discovered this forum, so I truly apologize if I ask questions which are already answered. I'm really eager to improve myself asap. I'll delete this post later if you all like if it's a dumb noob lament >=). But if anybody can give me any tips at all to where I might go to improve my gameplay I'd very much appreciate it.

Also, btw. Why is scarlet devil excluded from the sticky guide on the top of this forum?

Edit:
btw I assume scarlet devil is the easiest of the windows touhou games. Am I incorrect? If you think I should start with another game which in your opinion? While parts of what I researched suggest it may not be the easiest (cuz of the crazy fast reaction time for you to counter-bomb a death), I'm still expecting it to be the easiest because I heard zen makes each touhou harder for the fans of the previous touhou...with the possible exception of whichever one had "evil eye sigma".

[LHCling]

Giant wall of text.

I'd finish IWBTG, if it didn't crash on me after every 5 deaths or so.

...good luck with that goal. Just a heads up, Subterranean Animism Lunatic is arguably one of the most difficult. The room for error that you actually have is absurdly small. I've been going close to a year, and can only get through bits and pieces of Lunatic.

Hong Meiling's [stage 3 mid-boss] Spell Card has a randomness factor to them. Watching (not super-play) but medium-high play can help. Other than that, you will just have to do some decently precise dodging (and practice, of course).

Hmm... about feeling safe while playing through? To a certain degree. I've been able to perform moves where people go "How?", and I don't see it as anything. Regardless, there are always times where you will just do the most stupidest of things, so...  >_>
There are still times where anxiousness do come in though, even at the lower difficulties.

Noob's lament or not, it doesn't matter. I believe most of us started out quite amateurish as well. Asking for tips are better off in either the "Spellcard Help Topic", or another thread that you open asking for tips [give details]. Sometimes, they might even get answered in the "Touhou RAGE Thread".


To address:

I just discovered this forum, so I truly apologize if I ask questions which are already answered. I'm really eager to improve myself asap. I'll delete this post later if you all like if it's a dumb noob lament >=). But if anybody can give me any tips at all to where I might go to improve my gameplay I'd very much appreciate it.

The more you ask, the more advice you will receive. Most [who frequent this part] will be able to give advice quite easily.

Oh wow, didn't see this:

btw I assume scarlet devil is the easiest of the windows touhou games. Am I incorrect? If you think I should start with another game which in your opinion? While parts of what I researched suggest it may not be the easiest (cuz of the crazy fast reaction time for you to counter-bomb a death), I'm still expecting it to be the easiest because I heard zen makes each touhou harder for the fans of the previous touhou...with the possible exception of whichever one had "evil eye sigma".

(The) Embodiment of Scarlet Devil (EoSD) isn't the easiest of the Touhou games for Windows [according to most]. Arguably, it would be Imperishable Night (IN) or Mountain of Faith (MoF). Imperishable Night because of the extended bomb-system, and Mountain of Faith for its awesome bombing system easily abused bombing system. Focusing also produces a hitbox for all windows games after EoSD. However people rate each game differently.

Evil Eye Sigma is from (the) Story of Eastern Wonderland, a.k.a. Touhou 2. (PC-98). It is... different. No deathbomb window, no focus. And hitbox display upon focus didn't even come in until Perfect Cherry Blosssom (PCB).

[Achii]

I started with Immaterial and Missing Power, I did pretty well in it '3'
Then I moved onto PCB, I was so awful, but I was playing Lunatic to see how well I could do, at first I couldn't survive at all then discovered bombing and I got upto stage 3 then Alice murdered me...

then I found out about focus mode 3 months later o_o
THen I retried and got frustrated at stage 4 XD

[Vile Lasagna]

Hehe, welcome to the club. Don't beat yourself up for having a hard time. It took me some 3 months until I managed to get my first good ending on PCB. It really is just a lot of stuff

[theshirn]

Edit:
btw I assume scarlet devil is the easiest of the windows touhou games. Am I incorrect? If you think I should start with another game which in your opinion? While parts of what I researched suggest it may not be the easiest (cuz of the crazy fast reaction time for you to counter-bomb a death), I'm still expecting it to be the easiest because I heard zen makes each touhou harder for the fans of the previous touhou...with the possible exception of whichever one had "evil eye sigma".

I find the easiest Windows game to be Imperishable Night.  I've posted this before, but EoSD and PCB took me a couple moths of grinding to finally 1cc Normal; IN took me two tries.

Also, welcome!

[Ghaleon]

cools, thanks for the info guys. Haven't played any EoSD yet today but I look forward to it. While I might try the easier Touhou for windows games normally now that you guys mentioned IM is a possibility, I kinda don't want to if they are considered easier simply because of bombing reasons. I need to improve my skills with the game, not.. well, dumb it down by relying on bombs more than I should >=P, I still appreciate the comments though.

[theshirn]

Well, frankly, I'd still play EoSD first.  All the other games can spoil you; EoSD is probably the most "pure" Touhou.  No hitbox kinda sucks, but I think it has its pluses.

[Sodium]

Well, frankly, I'd still play EoSD first.  All the other games can spoil you; EoSD is probably the most "pure" Touhou.  No hitbox kinda sucks, but I think it has its pluses.

No Hitbox is good for learning, because you learn your hitbox.

[ghost333]

When i wasnt so good i was looking at my hitbox a lot and focused too much..
Soon i became more "adapted" and i didnt focused so much.
After some time i can dodge without actually looking my sprite..i just sort of know where it is..
it is very difficult to describe this feeling but when u get used to it u will focus only  becuase of the different shot attack or in a storm of bullets where u need "slower" and more precise movement.
but confirming the hotbox visualy is defently a bonus

[nintendonut888]

It's hard to say how the difficulty will go with each game. What I can tell you is that it's not as simple as "it gets harder each game", although SA is harder than MoF and unless UFO is fixed UFO will be harder than SA.

And Evil Eye Sigma is from the second game and yeah. >_> That's something else.

[Azinth]

It's hard to say how the difficulty will go with each game. What I can tell you is that it's not as simple as "it gets harder each game", although SA is harder than MoF and unless UFO is fixed UFO will be harder than SA.

UFO is undoubtedly going to be toned down.  After all, it was the exact same with SA; people complained that the demo's stage 3 was bullshit, and in the full game release it turned out to be much easier.  My guess is that ZUN just likes amping up the difficulty for his demos to give the superplayers something to nibble on.  Or he's just too drunk to give a rat's ass about testing stuff.  Probably the latter.

As far as difficulty goes, although there are some aspects of the games that can be agreed on, in the end a lot of it is subjective.  All the games, though mostly similar, have subtle differences in their bullet patterns/game mechanics that people will like or dislike.  For instance, some people find the input lag in PCB or EoSD's lack of visible hitbox to be extremely hindering while some people don't really notice/mind it at all.  Everyone's mileage may vary.

[theshirn]

the input lag in PCB

FFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFF

I BOMBED AND YOU KNOW IT, YOUMU

I seriously hope you're right, though.  The UFO system needs serious tweaking, power could use some fixing (die and you're screwed for the rest of the level/boss), and WTF BROFISTS.

[Ghaleon]

When i wasnt so good i was looking at my hitbox a lot and focused too much..
Soon i became more "adapted" and i didnt focused so much.
After some time i can dodge without actually looking my sprite..i just sort of know where it is..
it is very difficult to describe this feeling but when u get used to it u will focus only  becuase of the different shot attack or in a storm of bullets where u need "slower" and more precise movement.
but confirming the hotbox visualy is defently a bonus

yeah I can't do that yet very well, but there are certain moves where I find it easier to look ahead for "less bullet heavy spots" in a spell card attack and move there as I look for new ones rather than look at my character. Most moves however I still need to focus on my character. the 4th boss is probably the boss where I can do this best, she's still pretty hard for me to beat without bombing though.

[Ghaleon]

So I tried again today, managed to get past the first 3 levels without any lives, using boms on colorful rain and tsunami only (good for me be quiet! >=P), I managed to do beautiful flower without a bomb, yay.

Then I died on level 4 trash (why god whyy), and died twice on the 4th boss herself before I even got to her 2nd spellcard. I just hit quit game and cried in the corner for a couple hours after that.

So I practiced level 4, and found it to be much much more important to memoroize the spawn location of each enemy so you don't get swarmed by bullets because you take too long to kill their source. I also found out that it's just not worth risking going above the poc as a newbie, every time I do out of habit more enemies spawn under me, I get trapped, and owned.

Even after several practice runs on level 4 though I just can't seem to beat the boss' stupid clockwise then counterclockwise laser attacks (it's not even a spellcard how insulting!) safely. worst non-spellcard attack ever (for me).

[Zengeku]

For instance, some people find the input lag in PCB or EoSD's lack of visible hitbox to be extremely hindering while some people don't really notice/mind it at all.  Everyone's mileage may vary.

I'd definitely say that PCB is the hardest bitch of the bunch. Mainly due to a lot of bullshit. A: Reimu don't move properly. B: There is two ways to use bombs. I often need bombs while unfocused and that will result in a poor bomb. C: Prismriver garbage. D: Youmu garbage. E: Yuyuko garbage.

It is as you say subjective as a lot of people won't understand my reasons for complaining about PCB. Its alright though as i did manage to reach Yuyu's first spellcard on Hard before losing my final life. I don't really care about clearing so usually consider it done as i could probably do it in a few tries but the game is a pain to play so that won't happen.

I guess most people will consider SA to be the hardest game. IF they haven't played PC98.

[Azinth]

Even after several practice runs on level 4 though I just can't seem to beat the boss' stupid clockwise then counterclockwise laser attacks (it's not even a spellcard how insulting!) safely. worst non-spellcard attack ever (for me).

1.  Shoot Patchy point-blank during first set of lasers
2.  Go down to the bottom left.  Tap to the right to dodge aimed bullets and make your way to the center.
3.  Second set of lasers, move to the right side of the screen to avoid the aimed bullets and lasers.
4.  Tap to the left to dodge aimed bullets and make your way to the center.
5.  Third set of lasers.  Bullets are more dense, but they're still all aimed at you, so just repeat stage 3, but moving left instead of right.
6.  Start at step 2 and repeat until dead.

Don't worry, everybody sucks at Non-directional laser at first.  It's basically a "You need to know where to be/move beforehand or I will rape you lol" kind of attack.

[Tenbatsu! Myon Rabbie]

Imperishable Night -> Hard -> Instaraep in stage 1.
Hahahaha..