This thread started out as halloween then BDSM then gendertalk then states

[Mounting Jaggis]

19 male, straight

[Pesco]

I would classify myself as straight.

I think it's the nature of the internet in general to attract such a crowd. The internet has two distinct advantages on real life - a population that hasn't already made the "deviant" feel rejected, and the shield of anonymity that will still be there even in the worst-case scenario (unless the user willingly throws it away). Forums present the opportunities for friends, opportunities the "deviant" likely does/did not have in real life thanks to social rejection by "normies" and/or disappointed/intolerant family members.

Touhou probably has a slight edge over other standard internet fanbases because of the construct of the series. The cast is a bunch of magical little girls and most have the power to snap their fingers and end the world. There's a powerful attraction present in the idea of an all-empowered-female cast - for example, it could give the "deviant" hope that they too will be very powerful in society some day.

Well said

[helvetica]

That's what I figured.  But if you look at visual arts culture as a whole it has a disproportionate amount of "deviants" even when compared to other more general internet groups.

It's just odd especially when there's nothing particularly "gay" about Japanese visual culture in general.

[Kilgamayan]

That's likely attributable to the existence of so many pieces of Japanese visual culture where bizarre things happen and great obstacles are put in place but the clearly non-ideal hero ends up triumphing anyway.

[helvetica]

Personally, I think it's not as much an actual larger percentage of LGBTs as much as there's more people willing to report themselves as.

Visual Arts culture is far more accepting of LGBT people than most other communities in the same age range.  Especially within like gaming circles LGBT people are persecuted almost as much if not more than in real life.

I got laughed out of and persecuted from the Pangya community for being TS, despite it basically being an anime dressup game.  It just seems like the attitude of gamers and myspace and frat boys and stuff are far different than the attitudes of visual arts people.

[helvetica]

Damnit I should be a sociologist.  I find this stuff wayyyy too fascinating.

[Slowpoke]

This was always my favorite part of sociology class.

[Matsuri]

I'd be labeled as 'straight'. I'm just much more feminine than masculine, and I'm really not very masculine at all.

[Pako]

Pure 'straight' over here~

[Greyn]

Leaning towards straight cap'n.

[Tengukami]

Straight as the highway between Dallas and Ft. Worth, but a "deviant" all the same.

[Zengar Zombolt]

Straight as a ruler.

[Dizzy H. "Muffin" Muffin]

Straight as an astrolabe! :3

So, uh, bi.

[Bias Bus]

Aggresively straight.

[Rin Kagamine]

Let me clarify.  As far as gender/sexual identity goes, or kinks or what have you, I'm about as plain vanilla boring as a straight man can be. 

That's not to say that I don't have my own fair share of problems/issues, I do, but not with sex.

[Shizumarashi Mayuzumi]

Especially within like gaming circles LGBT people are persecuted almost as much if not more than in real life.

Oh god this this this. One of the sweetest guys in my TF2 clan is in the closet there because of this, and he's pretty much entirely out IRL.

Anyway, I'm biologically female, maybe a little tomboy-ish but still solidly female in gender identity, and identify orientation-wise as bisexual but heteroromantic - I'm attracted to females as well as males sexually, perhaps even just a touch more, but not really emotionally much at all so, for example, I've got no interest in dating girls.

Also, mostly submissive and masochistic but with slightly switchy tendencies that get rather magnified in practice since my not-really-boyfriend is exactly the same, lol.

[Nobu]

Labels are essentially a shorthand way to describe yourself, but I feel like there are it's really hard to find a label or combination of labels that work for me.

I guess the closest I can get is "Gender fluid pansexual", because they're broad enough to encompass me. Heh.

[Moerin]

Well, as I've said before, I'm bi (dom towards guys, sub towards girls), somewhat sadomasochistic (with slight emphasis on the sadism part), and I want to be the little girl~

Yeah... And I agree that the Touhou fandom seems to be a bit more... Accepting of these facts than any other fandom I can think of.  Which is one of the reasons why I love you guys so much~

[Sapz]

Straight as an arbitrary straight object, with maybe a tiny bit of dom thrown in. :V

[dustyjo]

Straight + Sub (most of the time)

[Gpop]

Just...straight here.

[Nobu]

Honestly, I coulda done a bit better with that first attempt at labellings, but I was in a rush at the time. This is my best attempt: I'm a Genderfluid sorta-Transsexual Pansexual Submissive with switch tendencies.

Oi, that's a mouthful. Honestly, it's just easier to think of myself as Nobu, and go from there. x.x

[Greyn]

Honestly, I coulda done a bit better with that first attempt at labellings, but I was in a rush at the time. This is my best attempt: I'm a Genderfluid sorta-Transsexual Pansexual Submissive with switch tendencies.

Oi, that's a mouthful. Honestly, it's just easier to think of myself as Nobu, and go from there. x.x

:Pats Head:

Daut'ull do.  Daut'ull do.

[Nietz]

Mostly straight. I could say bi, but that would be somewhat of a stretch since I never actually had any experience that way. Mostly for lack of opportunity though.

[♛ Apher-Forte]

I keep thinking, you can't really be bi if you like only totally feminine boys dressed as girls etc.
That is because of the image, you are (technically) pansexual by that nature to a certain degree, maybe gay, but certainly not bi, because the image of boy is subjected to a girl-ified state, hence your focus is the feminine presence on the boy.

I may be thinking too much.

(that said, I did for a while try to seduce a guy once... it wasn't very successful since I... definitely did not match the criteria)

[Tengukami]

I keep thinking, you can't really be bi if you like only totally feminine boys dressed as girls etc.
That is because of the image, you are (technically) pansexual by that nature to a certain degree, maybe gay, but certainly not bi, because the image of boy is subjected to a girl-ified state, hence your focus is the feminine presence on the boy.

I may be thinking too much.

(that said, I did for a while try to seduce a guy once... it wasn't very successful since I... definitely did not match the criteria)

I think if you enjoy both sets of plumbling, then you're bi. It doesn't really matter how "masculine" or "feminine" they appear.

[Moerin]

I keep thinking, you can't really be bi if you like only totally feminine boys dressed as girls etc.
That is because of the image, you are (technically) pansexual by that nature to a certain degree, maybe gay, but certainly not bi, because the image of boy is subjected to a girl-ified state, hence your focus is the feminine presence on the boy.

I may be thinking too much.

(that said, I did for a while try to seduce a guy once... it wasn't very successful since I... definitely did not match the criteria)

Good point... However... I am incredibly attracted to John Barrowman, who isn't really all that girly in appearance.  So... Yeah~

[helvetica]

Sexual orientation is just attaction to parts.  Being attracted to crossdressing guys as a girl or butchy women as a guy doesn't make you gay.  Things get a wee bit murky when you start taking about TG guys/girls but I'd say at that point does it really matter?

Sexuality is separate from gender, society puts too much emphasis on a part of the body 99.99999% of them would never see to begin with :/

[Nobu]

I keep thinking, you can't really be bi if you like only totally feminine boys dressed as girls etc.
That is because of the image, you are (technically) pansexual by that nature to a certain degree, maybe gay, but certainly not bi, because the image of boy is subjected to a girl-ified state, hence your focus is the feminine presence on the boy.

I may be thinking too much.

I think most people could be considered pansexual, but more specific definitions lose the subtle nuances of variety, in favor of being more specific.


As for your specific example, I like to think of each preference separately and try not to overgeneralize. Really, the label is irrelevant if you know what you like and don't like, and you are able to inform others of that fact, even if it takes a lot of words.

I think if you enjoy both sets of plumbling, then you're bi. It doesn't really matter how "masculine" or "feminine" they appear.

The only problem with this definition is, again, it's horribly unspecific. Saying you're bi might make the wrong implication that you like both girly girls, and manly men, and you might not want to make that impression.

Then again, being 'straight' and 'gay' doesn't necessarily mean you have no preference on looks/appearance/traits as long as they have the right plumbing, so...


BLEH. This is why I hate labels on sexual orientation.

[helvetica]

Well it's human nature to make labels.  We are systematic beings who think of things in terms of comparisons and contrasts to other things.  It's just how we process and think and act.

We group similar things together because if we find something new we can readily identify it by examining similar things to it.