Author Topic: Shooter games (Read 156910 times)

Matsuri · « **Reply #840 on:** November 24, 2009, 07:33:22 AM »

CRT all the way, for the PS2 CAVE stuff and older games. They all look like shit on a LCD screen, because they weren't designed for them. Fortunately, newer games don't have this problem.

Tatsujin Oh is a pretty cool game, too. Never was so fond of the whole 'die and lose everything' aspect of it, though. Then again, if you're savestating it, I guess you don't need to worry about that xD

Azinth · « **Reply #841 on:** November 24, 2009, 07:45:13 AM »

Quote from: Matsuri on November 24, 2009, 07:23:58 AM

Oh, hell yes. Giga Wing 2 is really, really good. And if you're planning on getting a Dreamcast, they really aren't that expensive anymore. Mars Matrix is probably one of the most expensive games on your list, and will easily cost more than the system itself. You're better off sticking to MAME for that one and buying a stick for your Dreamcast instead, because Dreamcast controllers suck.

Only problem with that is that I find MM way too hard to play because of the massive input lag. I don't know if it's a widespread problem or if it's just my crappy computer, but the control response in MM is absolutely horrible, even compared to the rest of the games on MAME. I can do the first stage fine enough, but from stage 2 on it just becomes hell trying to do those precise shield timings with several frames of input delay. I would get the Dreamcast version just because it would actually be playable.

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However, the 360, even if you don't go for a Japanese console, has Mushi Futari, Raiden Fighters Aces, Raiden IV, Ikaruga, and Triggerheart Exelica (which is a game I often forget that I fucking ADORE). If it were my call, I'd say go for the 360, because there are games there that you can't play on MAME, where most Dreamcast shmups, you can. Not only that, but Raiden Fighters Aces and Raiden IV are super-cheap and really accessible. Ikaruga and Triggerheart Exelica are XBLA games, $10 a piece. There are a handful of other shmups on XBLA that I might be forgetting too, but let's not forget the massive selection of other arcade games on there too. I may be a huge shmup fan, but I love other arcade games a lot, too

Eh, I don't know, the games on the DC just sort of interest me more. Plus, even if a lot of them run on MAME, having an actual physical copy of the game would still be nice. Of course, I wouldn't think about getting a new console until I get some kind of job, which won't be until May at the very earliest, so I'm sort of getting ahead of myself now. :V

Ghaleon · « **Reply #842 on:** November 24, 2009, 07:47:07 AM »

Quote from: Aisha on November 24, 2009, 07:30:17 AM

Instead of playing Mushihime-sama, I decided to pull out a random shmup from my MAME folder and play that instead. It turned out to be Tatsujin Oh. I'll finish the 1CC tomorrow. (I'm using save states--don't tell anyone. :V)

What do you guys play Mushihime-sama on? Last time I played, it was on a plasma and the bullets left purple streaks everywhere, which is something I couldn't get used to.

I got a CRT myself, seems to work fine.

Matsuri · « **Reply #843 on:** November 24, 2009, 07:51:00 AM »

Quote from: Azinth on November 24, 2009, 07:45:13 AM

Only problem with that is that I find MM way too hard to play because of the massive input lag. I don't know if it's a widespread problem or if it's just my crappy computer, but the control response in MM is absolutely horrible, even compared to the rest of the games on MAME. I can do the first stage fine enough, but from stage 2 on it just becomes hell trying to do those precise shield timings with several frames of input delay. I would get the Dreamcast version just because it would actually be playable.

To be fully honest, MM plays pretty much the same on my computer and Dreamcast. Then again, the DC version would be cheaper in the long run than upgrading your computer...

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Eh, I don't know, the games on the DC just sort of interest me more. Plus, even if a lot of them run on MAME, having an actual physical copy of the game would still be nice. Of course, I wouldn't think about getting a new console until I get some kind of job, which won't be until May at the very earliest, so I'm sort of getting ahead of myself now. :V

It is nice to own them, yes :3

If it's really what you want, then go for it!

Honestly, getting to play as Morrigan in Gunbird 2 is worth the money right there.

Aisha · « **Reply #844 on:** November 24, 2009, 07:54:26 AM »

I found Dai Ou Jou and ESPGaluda on a plasma TV to be great, provided that everything was set to 4:3 aspect ratio. Ibara and Mushihime-sama though..; I guess between the port quality of those two and my choice of display is why I have such a hard time getting into them. I wish I had room for a CRT.

I really hope they didn't fuck it up with Futari. Looking forward to reading people's impressions.

Ghaleon · « **Reply #845 on:** November 24, 2009, 08:29:08 AM »

Quote from: Aisha on November 24, 2009, 07:54:26 AM

I found Dai Ou Jou and ESPGaluda on a plasma TV to be great, provided that everything was set to 4:3 aspect ratio. Ibara and Mushihime-sama though..; I guess between the port quality of those two and my choice of display is why I have such a hard time getting into them. I wish I had room for a CRT.

I really hope they didn't fuck it up with Futari. Looking forward to reading people's impressions.

I know very little about shooters compared to you guys, but I could swear I read somewhere or another that Cave is somehow more involved with the xbox port of futari than they were with the original to get it done "Right". So.. Hopefully that'll put your mind at ease >=P.

Bananamatic · « **Reply #846 on:** November 24, 2009, 07:56:12 PM »

Cleared Hibachi's second attack :V

A few questions about DDP:
1) How exactly do you shotgun Hachi? Just go up to him at the beginning when the parts are together and laser him?

2) What's the diff between laser and shot types? The ingame description is a little confusing :V

nintendonut888 · « **Reply #847 on:** November 24, 2009, 08:02:42 PM »

You do more damage when you're close enough to the enemy that the aura surrounding you touches them. That's what shotgunning is.

Also to my understanding laser types make the laser able to reach max power and keep it from going down to minimum power upon death, and same for the shot type. For the one you didn't power up, strength will go down to minimum if you die.

Aisha · « **Reply #848 on:** November 24, 2009, 08:18:00 PM »

Quote from: Bananamatic on November 24, 2009, 07:56:12 PM

2) What's the diff between laser and shot types? The ingame description is a little confusing :V

Shot type has stronger shot and weaker laser; laser type has stronger laser and weaker shot. See fighter descriptions here. The weapon corresponding to your type selection is also obviously more pronounced.

And yeah, also what Donut said.

Matsuri · « **Reply #849 on:** November 24, 2009, 08:19:57 PM »

Some people who preordered from NCSX have had their accounts charged, and their Mushi will ship out tomorrow.

As of right now, I am not one of those people, at the moment at least.

moozooh · « **Reply #850 on:** November 24, 2009, 08:20:15 PM »

Shot type:
- faster unfocused speed;
- stronger and wider shots (can shoot through some destructible projectiles);
- when hit, shot powers down by 1 level, laser by 3.

Laser type:
- faster focused speed;
- stronger and wider laser (can shoot through some destructible projectiles);
- when hit, shot powers down by 3 levels, laser by 1.

Bananamatic · « **Reply #851 on:** November 24, 2009, 08:29:50 PM »

So....if I understand it correctly, all 3 fighters have same laser power in laser type?

I could probably get further with C-S then, as A-S got me to the end of st5...eliminating these vertically shooting tanks at once should save me some bombs and I should be able to easily get the st3 life.

moozooh · « **Reply #852 on:** November 24, 2009, 08:45:51 PM »

That's correct, laser power is the same between all fighters. Actually, the main difference between laser type laser and shot type laser is not in strength (it's something like 74 units per frame vs. 66 units per frame), but in width, speed of activation, aura (shot types lack it), and movement speed.

Bananamatic · « **Reply #853 on:** November 24, 2009, 09:25:53 PM »

Hibachi 3cc now. Not going to get any better in the next year most likely :V

EDIT: 1st loop 3cc, almost 2cc.....fun part is, I've died 2 times on st2 and still made it all the way to the st4 boss.

Maybe I can 1cc the 1st loop :V

Ghaleon · « **Reply #854 on:** November 24, 2009, 10:06:22 PM »

Quote from: Matsuri on November 24, 2009, 08:19:57 PM

Some people who preordered from NCSX have had their accounts charged, and their Mushi will ship out tomorrow.

As of right now, I am not one of those people, at the moment at least.

STFU I don't care!!! I really don't! nope *cries in corner*

Lishy1 · « **Reply #855 on:** November 25, 2009, 12:07:26 AM »

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Dear NCS Customer,

Thanks for your recent order for the Mushihimesama Futari Limited Edition. Please note that there is a possibility that we won't receive enough copies of the game to fill recent orders due to short-shipments from the publisher Cave.

In the event that there is a shortage of the limited edition, would you be interested in switching your order to the regular edition of Mushihimesama Futari? We will begin receiving the game tomorrow and any remaining shipments from Japan will arrive on Friday after the Thanksgiving holiday and we will send you another update on Friday. Thanks for your attention.

Regards,

NCSX, Inc
Web: www.ncsx.com

Shop: www.ncsxshop.com

Blog: http://ncsx.blogspot.com

Bullshit. I payed nearly 150$ when it was converted to Canadian dollars T_T

I guess we`ll see on Friday since I pre-ordered on the 19th. I hope and pray they can get a copy for me or give me a HUGE refund.

I'll admit I'm kind of panicked about this.

Aisha · « **Reply #856 on:** November 25, 2009, 12:20:13 AM »

Do you get hit with duty fees when ordering from NCSX to Canada? :| I had a really bad experience when it came to duty fees one time...

Lishy1 · « **Reply #857 on:** November 25, 2009, 12:24:21 AM »

Duty Fees? Where?
I didn't see any mentioning, at least.

Aisha · « **Reply #858 on:** November 25, 2009, 12:42:01 AM »

I was just wondering. This one time I ordered a pair of headphones from a US-based store and was charged something like $75 in customs/duty fees at the door. So I was wondering if I should expect the same from NCSX if I were to order from them, since they are also based in the US.

Of all the times I ordered from Paletweb, I have never been charged anything extra.

I'm not really sure how it works.

Ghaleon · « **Reply #859 on:** November 25, 2009, 01:02:17 AM »

Quote from: Aisha on November 25, 2009, 12:42:01 AM

I was just wondering. This one time I ordered a pair of headphones from a US-based store and was charged something like $75 in customs/duty fees at the door. So I was wondering if I should expect the same from NCSX if I were to order from them, since they are also based in the US.

Of all the times I ordered from Paletweb, I have never been charged anything extra.

I'm not really sure how it works.

I'm expecting you do. And Lishy, duty fees are never ever announced until it arrives at your door. It's really stupid.
I ALWAYS have bad experiences with ridiculous duty fees if they ship using UPS. If it's UPS, you can expect duty fees to cost at least half the cost of the product itself. One time I bought a snes game cart for just 35 bucks, and paid 40 bucks for duty. stupid.

lmagus · « **Reply #860 on:** November 25, 2009, 02:56:41 AM »

I'm patiently waiting for people to receive their copies and attest it's really region free so I can order mine ASAP!

*fingers hovers above ORDER NOW button at playasia >_>*

Matsuri · « **Reply #861 on:** November 25, 2009, 03:03:35 AM »

Quote from: lmagus on November 25, 2009, 02:56:41 AM

I'm patiently waiting for people to receive their copies and attest it's really region free so I can order mine ASAP!

*fingers hovers above ORDER NOW button at playasia >_>*

Here you go!

Order away~

lmagus · « **Reply #862 on:** November 25, 2009, 03:39:08 AM »

Thanks!

Where can I find the limited ed for sale?

Matsuri · « **Reply #863 on:** November 25, 2009, 03:45:47 AM »

Well.. erm... you might be a little too late for that right now. As far as I know, it's sold out at every site I've had my eye on. They seem to have plenty of the Standard version in stock, but I doubt that's much consolation.

Someone will be bound to sell their LE on the Shmups forum trading station eventually-- or P-A or NCSX may get some more in stock, who knows $:-\$

lmagus · « **Reply #864 on:** November 25, 2009, 03:53:04 AM »

well the only difference was the music cd, right?

if that's it then i'm fine with the standard one.

Aisha · « **Reply #865 on:** November 25, 2009, 04:47:34 AM »

I played Mushi today~

Strangely enough, on my new LCD TV, it did not look as bad as I remember (at least Manic didn't). What a hard game. :V I think when I get set up with Futari, I'm going to have to go with a smaller display, like a computer monitor; I was having a hard time paying attention to the whole TV screen at once, although it could be that I'm just not used to it yet.

Quote from: Ghaleon on November 25, 2009, 01:02:17 AM

I'm expecting you do. And Lishy, duty fees are never ever announced until it arrives at your door. It's really stupid.
I ALWAYS have bad experiences with ridiculous duty fees if they ship using UPS. If it's UPS, you can expect duty fees to cost at least half the cost of the product itself. One time I bought a snes game cart for just 35 bucks, and paid 40 bucks for duty. stupid.

Yeah this shit is really stupid. But thanks for the clarification. Do you know if these fees only apply when using couriers like DHL and UPS? When ordering from Paletweb, I always go with EMS shipping which ends up arriving via Canada Post, and I've never been charged with any additional fees so far.

Lishy1 · « **Reply #866 on:** November 25, 2009, 04:51:10 AM »

Mushihimesama Futanari LE contains the cds and possibly plates for your 360 and..... Phone cards!?
Yeah, I only heard that. I can't confirm. But phone cards? I don't know why that either.

Anyways, it looks like it's selling like hotcakes.
I hope it sells well. Because if it sells very well, I'm sure Cave would jump on the console bangwagon and revive home shmups. ~~Touhou has dominated long enough~~

Anyways, I still hope and pray I get my copy. I'm not paying since it is my birthday present, so I don't care how damn expensive. I just want my insect shmup!

Ghaleon · « **Reply #867 on:** November 25, 2009, 05:17:59 AM »

Quote from: Aisha on November 25, 2009, 04:47:34 AM

I played Mushi today~

Strangely enough, on my new LCD TV, it did not look as bad as I remember (at least Manic didn't). What a hard game. :V I think when I get set up with Futari, I'm going to have to go with a smaller display, like a computer monitor; I was having a hard time paying attention to the whole TV screen at once, although it could be that I'm just not used to it yet.

Yeah this shit is really stupid. But thanks for the clarification. Do you know if these fees only apply when using couriers like DHL and UPS? When ordering from Paletweb, I always go with EMS shipping which ends up arriving via Canada Post, and I've never been charged with any additional fees so far.

I didn't know you can really pick what shipping method retailers use to ship to you to be honest. I don't know if it's all couriers or just UPS. As for how much it costs, that is completely random. It's really based on how much of a douchebag someone working for UPS feels like being. I really think the number they make up is completely arbitrary. Probably some garbage or another invented thanks to our very leet "Free trade agreement"

Matsuri · « **Reply #868 on:** November 25, 2009, 07:04:52 AM »

Quote from: lmagus on November 25, 2009, 03:53:04 AM

well the only difference was the music cd, right?

if that's it then i'm fine with the standard one.

Pretty much. I'm a huge Manabu Namiki fan, so it kind of sold itself in my case. If you want, I'll see if I can get the music to you one way or another.

Matsuri · « **Reply #869 on:** November 25, 2009, 07:59:32 AM »

Hahaha

Quote from: #shmups

[02:32:37] <@bVork> oh what
[02:32:41] <@bVork> why did the mushi price go up :(
[02:34:03] <deadtech> Magical beetlegirl panty price increases
[02:34:11] <deadtech> A sad fact of life.
[02:34:30] <Core_> What DON'T they tax these days?
[02:34:41] <pui> beetlegirl panties are running low
[02:35:02] <pui> and thus the market reacts accordingly

So yeah, P-A raised the price. Apparently they just now found out about the region-free stuff.