Author Topic: Shooter games (Read 156919 times)

Grand Octopus · « **Reply #690 on:** November 16, 2009, 07:47:19 AM »

Tried playing Dodonpachi for the first time the other day. Any recommendations on which ship to use, or doesn't it really matter?

Aisha · « **Reply #691 on:** November 16, 2009, 08:04:08 AM »

It does, because they each have different movement speeds and shots that behave differently. So it's important to find one that you are comfortable with. A-L and C-S are the most widely-used ships.

nintendonut888 · « **Reply #692 on:** November 16, 2009, 09:01:41 PM »

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Pretty much the epitome of not-fun there.

Get out.

Matsuri · « **Reply #693 on:** November 16, 2009, 09:03:25 PM »

Sapz gave me his Hibachi savestate to play around with. I wonder how many continues it'll take me after a while. I've only tried it twice so far.

nintendonut888 · « **Reply #694 on:** November 16, 2009, 09:05:46 PM »

I gave him that savestate actually. :V I'm perfectly fine with giving it to anyone else who wants to fight Hibachi because nobody should have to go through the hell of second looping just to see him.

Matsuri · « **Reply #695 on:** November 16, 2009, 09:37:31 PM »

As much as it pains me on the inside, it looks like I'll be changing to WolfMame from now on, just because it can do savestates and throttle and stuff nicely. The version I've been preferring doesn't like to work well with that.

One thing I just don't like about it is that you can see a faint line of distortion moving up the screen every so often, and the version of MAME I was using before didn't. Oh, and the sound doesn't seem as good, either.

Then again, I haven't played with all of the settings yet.

Bananamatic · « **Reply #696 on:** November 16, 2009, 11:27:31 PM »

/r hibachi savestate since I can't be arsed to play this seriously :V
seemed weird to me how I've never seen Sapz around this thread, then he just comes out and 3ccs him.

nintendonut888 · « **Reply #697 on:** November 16, 2009, 11:42:43 PM »

Heck, there's no real reason not to just post this for everyone's perusal:

http://rapidshare.com/files/308052316/ddonpach-h.sta.html

BoLaD · « **Reply #698 on:** November 17, 2009, 12:00:27 AM »

How exactly do you find Hibachi to be fun? The 2nd loop can be fun if you play it enough... but fighting Hibachi with crappy mame controls is.... just.... can't even say it.

nintendonut888 · « **Reply #699 on:** November 17, 2009, 12:06:02 AM »

Hibachi's a Cave TLB. You have to judge them by different standards than most bosses. I mean, when the stage 5 boss shits you out by throwing fireballs you can't dodge without precognition of course it's frustrating. But Hibachi is a True Last Boss. He was designed specifically to say "you wanna 1cc my game? Well fuck you, pry it from my burning mechanical hands." Going in with the intent of doing well is the wrong strategy. Going in with the mindset of "I have a ridiculously hard boss and unlimited continues, let's see what happens" brings great joy. I mean, cursing him for being hard is like cursing rain for falling, it's what he does.

As for the fight, there's only one part I'd actually call unfair, and that's how during most of his attacks the slowdown abruptly ends, leaving you to dodge the last shots with a disoriented feel. The rest is just deliciously hard.

Matsuri · « **Reply #700 on:** November 17, 2009, 12:14:14 AM »

Heeeeee. You think Hibachi's fun, wait 'til you continuespam your way to Aki!

Sapz · « **Reply #701 on:** November 17, 2009, 12:15:18 AM »

Quote from: Bananamatic on November 16, 2009, 11:27:31 PM

/r hibachi savestate since I can't be arsed to play this seriously :V
seemed weird to me how I've never seen Sapz around this thread, then he just comes out and 3ccs him.

I've been lurking in this thread for a very long time, and also Matsuri gave me DDP quite a while ago so I've had a bit of practice. Also, my best has changed from a 3cc to a 3 death clear (still a 2cc). I find it sort of funny/strange that I might 1cc Hibachi before I 1cc the first loop, but hey. :V

Bananamatic · « **Reply #702 on:** November 17, 2009, 12:30:12 AM »

Quote from: nintendonut888 on November 17, 2009, 12:06:02 AM

Going in with the mindset of "I have a ridiculously hard boss and unlimited continues, let's see what happens" brings great joy.

Hard ass patterns are amazingly fun to dick around with when you have infinite lives.
But when they turn into a serious obstacle before getting your 1cc, you'll hate it.

nintendonut888 · « **Reply #703 on:** November 17, 2009, 12:32:01 AM »

Anyone who realistically wants to 1cc DDP knows what they're getting into.

Bananamatic · « **Reply #704 on:** November 17, 2009, 12:55:07 AM »

Quote from: Matsuri on November 17, 2009, 12:14:14 AM

Heeeeee. You think Hibachi's fun, wait 'til you continuespam your way to Aki!

So I've looked for videos....and I gotta say, Aki's final pattern is seriously the biggest "fuck you" I've ever seen in a video game.
Some of his patterns were recreated in YGS2000 IIRC and while most of them are dodgeable, but the final one....Hibachi would cry.

Matsuri · « **Reply #705 on:** November 17, 2009, 01:01:05 AM »

Well see, watching most of Aki's patterns, it looks easy, but once you get that far, and the pressure is on, it's a lot harder than it looks, even in the relatively easy-in-comparison-to-Ultra-mode Arrange mode version of him.

It's kind of the same in Futari. The Ultra mode Larsa TLB is sooooooooo much harder than the Black Label God Mode Larsa TLB, and it's pretty obvious just from watching. However, the requirements to get to that point are different. For Ultra mode Larsa TLB, you have to get to the end of the game. For God Mode Larsa TLB (aka 'Spiritual Larsa', the one with the amazing music) you have to 1cc God Mode without dying once.

Bonus: Oh hey, look. It's Radiant Treasure Gun.

Bananamatic · « **Reply #706 on:** November 17, 2009, 01:16:58 AM »

Quote from: Matsuri on November 17, 2009, 01:01:05 AM

Well see, watching most of Aki's patterns, it looks easy, but once you get that far, and the pressure is on, it's a lot harder than it looks, even in the relatively easy-in-comparison-to-Ultra-mode Arrange mode version of him.

It's kind of the same in Futari. The Ultra mode Larsa TLB is sooooooooo much harder than the Black Label God Mode Larsa TLB, and it's pretty obvious just from watching. However, the requirements to get to that point are different. For Ultra mode Larsa TLB, you have to get to the end of the game. For God Mode Larsa TLB (aka 'Spiritual Larsa', the one with the amazing music) you have to 1cc God Mode without dying once.

Bonus: Oh hey, look. It's Radiant Treasure Gun.

It's not RTG without the lasers :V
So in Futari, you get 2 more boss forms in Ultra just for completing it? Or do you have to 1cc?

By the way, Larsa's non TLB boss theme is the best one :V

Matsuri · « **Reply #707 on:** November 17, 2009, 01:33:39 AM »

Not quite sure. In the first Mushi game, you can continuespam your way to Aki. In Arrange mode, there are no continues, period, so even getting that far is quite an accomplishment, even with autobomb

Azinth · « **Reply #708 on:** November 17, 2009, 01:59:53 AM »

I always thought DDP's stage 5 and 6 bosses were pretty fun fights myself.

So after two days (give or take) of playing Strikers III I got to stage 1-5 and scored 500k (forgot to savestate, so I don't remember the exact number sadly). I dunno, the patterns seem a lot slower paced and sight-readable in this game than in Gunbird 2, even though they're not easy by any means. Also, Psikyo got lazy; the medal rotation in S1999 is nearly the same as the coin rotation in GB2, so my (not that great) chaining abilities managed to carry over somewhat.

Matsuri · « **Reply #709 on:** November 17, 2009, 02:40:22 AM »

S1999 is essentially Gunbird 2 minus the melee attacks, but with Technical Bonuses.

Also, you all should download the hiscore.dat so MAME will save scores for you. I don't exactly remember where exactly to find it though; Khoa linked me to it, and I forgot the site already. ^^;

Aisha · « **Reply #710 on:** November 17, 2009, 05:12:20 AM »

Quote from: Matsuri on November 16, 2009, 09:37:31 PM

As much as it pains me on the inside, it looks like I'll be changing to WolfMame from now on, just because it can do savestates and throttle and stuff nicely. The version I've been preferring doesn't like to work well with that.

One thing I just don't like about it is that you can see a faint line of distortion moving up the screen every so often, and the version of MAME I was using before didn't. Oh, and the sound doesn't seem as good, either.

Then again, I haven't played with all of the settings yet.

Earlier today I found some code on Shmups Forum for the cave.c driver in MAME which would re-enable save states to work with their games. I compiled a version of MAMEUI64 using the latest (0.135) MAME source (I can try 32 if necessary) and everything seems to work fine, but I haven't tested it much. I can upload it if you (or anyone) like. It doesn't seem to like Donut's Hibachi save state (though I kind of saw that coming), but it might not have those other downsides that you mentioned are in WolfMame99, so it might make a nice alternative.

Though no guarantees it will work, since one class's worth of programming knowledge can only get you so far. :V

Matsuri · « **Reply #711 on:** November 17, 2009, 05:21:40 AM »

I'll probably get used to it. Overall, the interface looks exactly the same, so that's nice-- I can play with the settings as if I was playing with MAME32's.

Matsuri · « **Reply #712 on:** November 17, 2009, 05:43:25 AM »

Ahahaha. I just finished a practice mode run of the final boss in ESPGaluda, and didn't even die once on his/her mesmerizing final attack. Awesome

Aisha · « **Reply #713 on:** November 17, 2009, 07:02:41 AM »

I could never really get good with ESPGaluda--stage 3 or 4 and that's it. I tried the final boss for the fun of it a few times, and it was just silly. A PS2 controller can only take me so far. :V

I'll probably end up buying a nice stick with Futari and staying with that whenever possible; hopefully it will also work on the PC, and I will learn how to use it well.

Bananamatic · « **Reply #714 on:** November 17, 2009, 12:25:32 PM »

Quote from: Aisha on November 17, 2009, 07:02:41 AM

I could never really get good with ESPGaluda--stage 3 or 4 and that's it. I tried the final boss for the fun of it a few times, and it was just silly. A PS2 controller can only take me so far. :V

I'll probably end up buying a nice stick with Futari and staying with that whenever possible; hopefully it will also work on the PC, and I will learn how to use it well.

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How hard are shmups with arcade sticks? I'd rather get a keyboard :V

Matsuri · « **Reply #715 on:** November 17, 2009, 12:27:06 PM »

Quote from: Bananamatic on November 17, 2009, 12:25:32 PM

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How hard are shmups with arcade sticks? I'd rather get a keyboard :V

Easier, you mean. Only doujins are truly suited for play on a keyboard.

Grand Octopus · « **Reply #716 on:** November 17, 2009, 03:02:14 PM »

Quote from: nintendonut888 on November 16, 2009, 11:42:43 PM

Heck, there's no real reason not to just post this for everyone's perusal:

http://rapidshare.com/files/308052316/ddonpach-h.sta.html

I saved this to my MAME 'sta' folder, but I can't seem to load it. The version of MAME I'm using requires me to hit the 'load state' key (F7) and then press another key corresponding to whichever key the state was saved under (e.g. if I save a state to the 'Z' key by pressing Shift+F7 followed by Z, I'll have to load it by pressing F7 and then Z). Any ideas?

moozooh · « **Reply #717 on:** November 17, 2009, 03:15:44 PM »

This savestate is for "h" key.

Meanwhile I tried it and managed to kill Hibachi with 4 deaths. Also found a very reliable method of one-lifing the first form using 6 bombs, and a slightly less reliable one for 5 bombs.

Grand Octopus · « **Reply #718 on:** November 17, 2009, 03:29:18 PM »

Quote from: moozooh on November 17, 2009, 03:15:44 PM

This savestate is for "h" key.

Second thing I tried after 'z'. Also tried using 'h' with the .sta inside + outside a 'ddonpach' sub-folder (within the sta folder), repeating this after renaming the ddonpach-h.sta to h.sta. Every time I get: 'Unable to load due to pending anonymous timers. See error.log for details'.

moozooh · « **Reply #719 on:** November 17, 2009, 03:35:17 PM »

Oh, you're just using a MAME version that doesn't support savestates in Cave games. I'm using WolfMAME 0.99.