Author Topic: Shooter games (Read 156916 times)

nintendonut888 · « **Reply #270 on:** October 06, 2009, 11:08:56 PM »

Because I suck.

Also it probably has something to do with me trying my best to score on the stage (since I hear you can do the second loop requirement for a chain right there). Remind me again how this asanine system works? Why sometimes you get nearly two seconds to continue the chain while others end instantly?

Oh, never mind, I'll figure this out eventually because I love this game so much <3 <3 <3

moozooh · « **Reply #271 on:** October 06, 2009, 11:37:07 PM »

Well, there are two main aspects to it.

1. Don't bomb or die and watch your score skyrocket from the MAXIMUM bonus.
2. Chain enemies with clever usage of both shot and laser and don't let the gauge deplete. Full gauge depletes in 60 frames, one popcorn enemy generally fills it by 50%, large enemies usually give less. All large enemies must be chained with laser because, unless there are fragments to destroy within the time limit, you will break the chain. Lasering them keeps the gauge on but leaves it almost empty (less than 10 frames, iirc), so they are best chained directly into some popcorn stuff.

While hidden bees are arguably the easiest way to hit the 2nd loop, they don't do shit for score. Rely on MAX bonus primarily — chains don't do much until stage 4.

nintendonut888 · « **Reply #272 on:** October 07, 2009, 12:27:26 AM »

So basically if you choose the A type you're screwed. >_>

Oh, and I finally figured out loading state. It had to do with where I was mapping them.

Matsuri · « **Reply #273 on:** October 07, 2009, 12:41:32 AM »

Quote from: nintendonut888 on October 07, 2009, 12:27:26 AM

So basically if you choose the A type you're screwed. >_>

How so? Isn't the WR owned by someone who used A type?

Also, it's really blurry, but there's new art for the Limited Edition version of Mushihimesama Futari.

I think it looks adorable, but some of the guys on Shmups forum hate it. xD

moozooh · « **Reply #274 on:** October 07, 2009, 12:45:05 AM »

Type A is much better for dodging and fighting bosses, but it has far more trouble with crowd control, unlike type C. And since I tend to have more trouble with the stages overall (not counting really stupid deaths), C-S is far more effective for me both in scoring and survival.

Matsuri · « **Reply #275 on:** October 07, 2009, 12:51:55 AM »

I can't survive very well at all with the C-type. It's too slow. $:-\$

I stick with A most of the time, but I won't say no to the B-type once in a while.

nintendonut888 · « **Reply #276 on:** October 07, 2009, 12:59:25 AM »

Same here. The reason I can't stand Reimu in EoSD and PCB is that she is just too freaking slow. When I die I want it to be because of an error in dodging, not because my character was too slow to even have a chance to get out of the way.

Taking those tips in mind, I...still suck at scoring.

But I understand it just a bit more.

And I know EXACTLY what is killing me/making me bomb in stage 2: The boss' attack where it sandwiches you in between those destructible missiles and shoots those rapid fire blue bullets. With Dodonpachi's twitchy movement I almost always get hit at some point or another. I'm actually much better against the stage 3 boss, and have no idea why people say it's hard. :\

EDIT: Er...WTF? On the stage 1 boss, I destroy the auxilary shooters for the first time ever (how do you do this consistently BTW?), and suddenly my boss hit chain SKYTROCKETED. Eh...?

And while I'm here, how do you do that fucking attack the stage 5 boss constantly uses? In that superplay I watched the guy beat it without even moving, but I can't beat it at all.

Matsuri · « **Reply #277 on:** October 07, 2009, 01:27:09 AM »

See, that's weird for me, because I prefer Reimu in most Touhou games because she's slower, and I tend to make less mistakes with her. It's fine, because there really aren't many things in Touhou that I'd consider to be 'fast'-- more like so slow that it becomes a mess of bullets that you'll run into if you're too fast.

It seems that in all shmups that aren't Touhou, I prefer the fast, straight-shooting types.

Aisha · « **Reply #278 on:** October 07, 2009, 01:31:25 AM »

Quote from: Matsuri on October 07, 2009, 12:41:32 AM

How so? Isn't the WR owned by someone who used A type?

Also, it's really blurry, but there's new art for the Limited Edition version of Mushihimesama Futari.

I think it looks adorable, but some of the guys on Shmups forum hate it. xD

That cover is really nice. Will the regular edition have the same one?

Quote from: nintendonut888 on October 07, 2009, 12:59:25 AM

Same here. The reason I can't stand Reimu in EoSD and PCB is that she is just too freaking slow. When I die I want it to be because of an error in dodging, not because my character was too slow to even have a chance to get out of the way.

Taking those tips in mind, I...still suck at scoring. But I understand it just a bit more.

And I know EXACTLY what is killing me/making me bomb in stage 2: The boss' attack where it sandwiches you in between those destructible missiles and shoots those rapid fire blue bullets. With Dodonpachi's twitchy movement I almost always get hit at some point or another. I'm actually much better against the stage 3 boss, and have no idea why people say it's hard. :\

EDIT: Er...WTF? On the stage 1 boss, I destroy the auxilary shooters for the first time ever (how do you do this consistently BTW?), and suddenly my boss hit chain SKYTROCKETED. Eh...?

And while I'm here, how do you do that fucking attack the stage 5 boss constantly uses? In that superplay I watched the guy beat it without even moving, but I can't beat it at all.

A-L and C-S seem to be the most popular ships. Both seem to have their own caveats when it comes to survival and scoring, so you just have to go with the one that suits you best (or pick one of the other types).

As for the stage 2 boss, I don't even remember it having destructible missiles. I always take out all of the breakable parts (3 on each side), which forces the boss to cycle between 2 attacks. Though it gets really angry when its lifebar goes into the red; I'm not sure if breaking parts has anything to do with it getting angry.

For breaking the stage 1 boss's turrets, I start the fight hugging a side of the screen so that only the edge of my laser is hitting the turret. The boss will then kind of move the turret I'm working on off the screen, so I move across and continue on the other one; they both share the same health. Once they're flashing red, I then wait until the boss rotates them about before taking them out, so that they both die in front of the boss and release a bunch of large stars. I'm not sure what made your boss chain skyrocket though. I just checked a superplay and the player didn't reproduce it.

No idea on stage 5. That boss is mean.

nintendonut888 · « **Reply #279 on:** October 07, 2009, 01:36:05 AM »

Sorry, that was poorly phrased. When I said my chain skyrocketed, I meant that after destroying the turrets my chain started going up about twice as fast as it did before. Just fighting the boss normally I usually get around 60 shots, but that run my chain went up into the 80s.

Matsuri · « **Reply #280 on:** October 07, 2009, 01:36:34 AM »

As far as I know, no.

This is the Standard Version's cover:

Still really nice, and I'm not even sure if the LE cover is just the special LE slipcase only or if it's on the game itself-- because if I understand right, the game itself is the same as the standard version, but it just comes with the slipcase and a 2-disc OST (which, if I heard right, contains an arrangement of the original Mushihimesama as well). Either way, the music makes it worth the extra $30.

Aisha · « **Reply #281 on:** October 07, 2009, 01:46:22 AM »

Quote from: nintendonut888 on October 07, 2009, 01:36:05 AM

Sorry, that was poorly phrased. When I said my chain skyrocketed, I meant that after destroying the turrets my chain started going up about twice as fast as it did before. Just fighting the boss normally I usually get around 60 shots, but that run my chain went up into the 80s.

Oh. When you're hitting the turrets you aren't actually damaging the boss.

So then you're able to carry the chain from the turrets over to the boss itself, ending up with a higher total boss chain.

moozooh · « **Reply #282 on:** October 07, 2009, 02:01:37 AM »

Quote from: nintendonut888 on October 07, 2009, 12:59:25 AM

And while I'm here, how do you do that fucking attack the stage 5 boss constantly uses? In that superplay I watched the guy beat it without even moving, but I can't beat it at all.

Watch exactly how the player positions himself. Most of the attack is loosely aimed, and the blue stream has no bullets aimed directly at you. But don't bother reproducing it because it's harder unless you really know what you're doing. The second volley has to be streamed away by swiping from one side of the screen to the other, anyway.

Quote from: Aisha on October 07, 2009, 01:31:25 AM

The boss will then kind of move the turret I'm working on off the screen, so I move across and continue on the other one; they both share the same health.

Yes and no. They don't share the same health, but if one is destroyed, so is the other.

nintendonut888 · « **Reply #283 on:** October 07, 2009, 02:08:43 AM »

No no no, I'm saying the boss chain meter definitely went up faster than it did before. I saw it with my own eyes.

Also I suddenly seem to be improving a bit. Memo to self: In the section where you can blow up the ships for massive ~~damage~~ points, don't bother with the second. It's bad for my score/survival.

Aisha · « **Reply #284 on:** October 07, 2009, 02:09:25 AM »

Quote from: Matsuri on October 07, 2009, 01:36:34 AM

Either way, the music makes it worth the extra $30.

Definitely. That music is fucking great. I'm not sure if I'll preorder though, since I also need to get a J360. Still need to make up my mind about that; hopefully there will be a Christmas price cut or something. My wallet cries when I remember that I have to get a stick as well.

I love Dai Fukkatsu's OST as well. Dodonpachi Dai-ondo is probably the worst track on that, but it's so catchy. >.>

Matsuri · « **Reply #285 on:** October 07, 2009, 02:11:15 AM »

Mushi Futari is Region-free, didn't you get the memo? Get a J360 later

Do remember that shmups tend to get ridiculously expensive fast, so I'd make Mushi Futari your priority if you want it bad enough.

I still want to get my hands on a J360 as well sometime, but maybe when they become less stupidly expensive. Christmas is coming though, and my mom has been bugging me for ideas, and she's imported stuff for me before, so maybe...

But I'm getting the game that would have had me buying a J360 if it wasn't region-free. That's how bad I want this. :3

As for DDP Daifukkatsu's soundtrack, I haven't listened to it yet. I wasn't really wowed with DOJ's soundtrack to be honest-- I mean there were some good tracks, but the rest were kinda meh to me.

Garegga's soundtrack is growing on me, after originally seeing it as one of Namiki's less interesting creations-- I guess my opinion was skewed because I hated the game at the time. Garegga and I are on fair terms now, though.

Aisha · « **Reply #286 on:** October 07, 2009, 02:23:41 AM »

I laminated that memo.

But yeah, I want to get my hands on as many Cave ports as possible, and I'm thinking that the best way to set myself up for that is to get a J360. My other option is to wait and see how the Cave market expansion works out, but that's a bit of a gamble, I think.

Dai Fukkatsu's soundtrack is really different from Dai Ou Jou's. It's more.. upbeat.

I watched a superplay of Garegga the other day, and yeah, that has a great soundtrack as well. Loved Ibara's too; is that the same composer?

moozooh · « **Reply #287 on:** October 07, 2009, 02:25:25 AM »

Garegga and Gradius V are my absolute favorite shmup soundtracks. Perfect Cherry Blossom is a very close third, though.

Matsuri · « **Reply #288 on:** October 07, 2009, 02:31:44 AM »

Perfect Cherry Blossom has been my favorite video game soundtrack overall for a very long time now. A very close second is Mushihimesama's soundtrack, and third place...hmm... probably the rest of Touhou en masse.

I just really have a thing for ZUN and Manabu Namiki's music. Think I might download Garegga's soundtrack as a bit of an official truce between me and the game. xD

nintendonut888 · « **Reply #289 on:** October 07, 2009, 02:51:18 AM »

Oh right. I made a savestate at the end of stage 1. Would I be a horrible person if I just started from this savestate every time to preserve my patience? :[

And I think I figured out the stage 6 boss' last attack. From what I've seen, it's actually streamable to an extent.

Matsuri · « **Reply #290 on:** October 07, 2009, 02:55:17 AM »

Doing that would make any shmup purist's heart cringe, but if your only goal is to get to Hibachi with minimum effort I don't see what's wrong with it.

I'm listening to Garegga's soundtrack now, and I'm definitely enjoying it.

nintendonut888 · « **Reply #291 on:** October 07, 2009, 02:57:01 AM »

Nah, this be my savestate for trying to 1cc. Honestly, I can't remember the last time I actually died in stage 1, and it's just making me wait 2 more minutes for the real game to start.

Matsuri · « **Reply #292 on:** October 07, 2009, 02:59:08 AM »

Oh, I misread it, I thought you said you made a savestate at the end of stage 6 :V

Yeah I guess it's fine, but once you do 1cc it I think you should just go for a true playthrough after that just for the hell of it

Matsuri · « **Reply #293 on:** October 07, 2009, 03:04:49 AM »

Oh wow, just got to the stage 5 track of Garegga. It's wonderful, and it makes me want to try even harder to get that far just to hear the track. Namiki, I am not disappoint.

Aisha · « **Reply #294 on:** October 07, 2009, 03:07:58 AM »

Is that the Cloud stage? If so, that's a fantastic track. Probably my favorite from the game.

Matsuri · « **Reply #295 on:** October 07, 2009, 03:18:54 AM »

Yep, that's the one.

I just have to figure out how to get that far. On a good day, I can make it to stage 4's boss, but that's where I lose all of the lives I have stocked up. I really need to get over my phobia of dying in Garegga, since it's a necessity to keeping the rank down. $:-\$

nintendonut888 · « **Reply #296 on:** October 07, 2009, 03:25:45 AM »

Hmm, I just went through another savestate run, though this time with much less abuse. After stage 3, I didn't use any savestates...and 1cc'd. Clearly this means stage 3 is the real obstacle. I blame this mostly on me suddenly being able to own the stage 6 boss and making a ton of those horrific dodges Cave loves forcing you to do to change directions while streaming.

Matsuri · « **Reply #297 on:** October 07, 2009, 03:29:15 AM »

Hmm. Stage 4 is my biggest obstacle when I play, but I can guarantee you've put more time into the game than I have in the past two years, and you're taking it seriously when I just play it casually from time to time

Stage 3 never really ever game me any trouble. Stage 4 is where I fall apart, and I only get to stage 5 once in a while. I don't like continuespamming, so I doubt I could even 2cc the game right now because I know so little about stage 5 and 6. xD

And what the hell-- after the Arcade version of Garegga's soundtrack finished, the Sega Saturn Arrange version started. It's unbearable in comparison. All of the melodies have been made so quiet that they seem nonexistent, and the background synth was enhanced, making it sound so... generic. $:-\$

BoLaD · « **Reply #298 on:** October 07, 2009, 03:41:09 AM »

I probably could buy a 360 and Mushihime right now- 280 should be enough right? I honestly don't know what's stopping me from doing it. I mean, it's not like I celebrate Christmas or my birthday and my parents are the modern day equivalent of Reimu. Is it because I want hardware upgrades so I can get a build a PC that can run the PS2 emulator?

Matsuri · « **Reply #299 on:** October 07, 2009, 03:47:45 AM »

Not quite. Mushihimesama Futari alone will run you close to $100 as it is for the standard version, depending on what kind of shipping you get-- and getting the LE will be around $120. As for a 360, I'd wait for a price drop with your current funds, because I don't think even Xbox 360 Arcades are even under $190 yet, are they?

Also, seriously, don't bother with PS2 emulation. An actual J-PS2 will cost you much, much less than the necessary upgrades needed to get a PS2 emulator to run well. My computer's not even 2 years old yet and it can't emulate it well-- graphically it was beautiful, but I couldn't get the framerate over 25fps or so.