Yeah, we have Okina, but what about Hecatia?

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Clarste:
Hecatia is basically a Disgaea character, imo. She's an "Overlord" of Hell in that she's so strong that no one dares mess with her. In a certain sense, that's just a natural consequence of a strength-based hierarchy like she implies Hell is: someone is going to rise to the top. That person happened to be Hecatia. She's powerful enough that she doesn't need to prove anything to anyone. What she's earned through strength is simply the absolute freedom to do whatever she wants.

I don't think Okina is comparable. She's flashy, and her control over maryoku and seishin allow her to do some surprisingly delicate things, but she's trying to be flashy. She's doing all this specifically with the goal of impressing people. So in that sense she's more like a stage magician, directing your attention to the flashy bits so you can't see how much effort she's putting in behind the scenes. For that reason, I'd imagine that the events of HSiFS are about her limits. If she could have done something even flashier, she would have.

Lebon14:

--- Quote from: Tiamat on December 05, 2017, 12:12:57 AM ---[...] Even Shiki Eiki remarks that [...]
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Are we past that era of that mistake yet? /off-topic

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I agree with Tiamat. Hecatia is in another league altogether. However, Okina has clearly shown in WaHH that she's in another league too but maybe not at Hecatia level though. Okina wanted to be flashy, maybe, but she wanted to show off while messing with you; to the point, like Tiamat said, she made Reimu reconsider.

andykhang:
Okina's connection is sure to be more crazy than Hecatia though, that's for sure. When it come to finding something, I think Okina, with her numerous connection, would have a much easier than Hecatia doing it on her threesome (yes, I'm coining that term :) )

Again, Okina is a Yukari type, but more of a "crime syndicate" sense than Yukari "Overlord Mastermind" thing. She got more way to fight than just direct combat.

Shizzo:

--- Quote from: Clarste on December 05, 2017, 03:49:22 AM ---For that reason, I'd imagine that the events of HSiFS are about her limits. If she could have done something even flashier, she would have.

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I can totally see your point, but there's also part of me that wonders if that was truly the case! Okina is, after all, one of Gensokyo's creators and she seems to care about making sure Gensokyo's working properly.

What if Okina -could- do something flashier, but it'd end up threatening Gensokyo's balance? If her words are true, she definitely could do something way flashier/crazier like, I dunno, creating infinitely infinite new youkai or something of the sorts; but that'd clearly throw their world in discord.

I agree that if she could have done something flashier, she would have, but what if HSiFS was the flashiest-yet-safest she could aim for? There could be some hidden power she's been keeping unused, because maybe if she went for something flashier, there could be bigger consequences than just fairies getting more powerful and the seasons getting temporarily wonky.

TresserT:
It's also implied that Okina was lying about showing off and had some sort of ulterior motive. So she wouldn't necessarily show everything in her HSiFS fight. I do agree that Hecatia is probably in a whole different league, though.

Speaking of Hecatia, I don't think her ability is supposed to have anything to do with her overall power. Suwako is a god who creates earth, but her real power is her control over the curse gods. Yuuka is considered an extremely powerful youkai, but her ability is not a huge part of that. Several characters have purely symbolic abilities, like Yuugi and Remilia, but are considered extremely powerful because of their "non-ability" characteristics. I think Hecatia is simply powerful because she is, and that has nothing to do with her ability.

To put it another way, a character's "official ability" doesn't necessarily reflect the entire range of their abilities. Hecatia can probably do a lot more than just be in three places at once. It's just that that is her most distinctive trait.

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