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Yeah, we have Okina, but what about Hecatia?
TrueShadow:
Although considering how Shinto gods work in Touhou, there isn't anything stopping Hecatia from being both Greek and Shinto god.
Shizzo:
--- Quote from: TrueShadow on November 22, 2017, 11:22:20 AM ---Although considering how Shinto gods work in Touhou, there isn't anything stopping Hecatia from being both Greek and Shinto god.
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I may be completely wrong here, but the whole Shinto Premise is that anything can become a Shinto God if it receives proper worship, right? If that's the case, I can definitely see your point. But then again, she probably doesn't seek worship like other Shinto gods. Knowing that hell has a meritocracy system, she probably thinks that actions speak louder than words (or prayer, in this case).
AndyPyro:
--- Quote from: TresserT on November 21, 2017, 12:23:37 AM ---To elaborate, in AFiEU it was explained that in Hell they just call anyone who's extremely powerful a God or a Goddess. In other words, none of the rules and mechanics that apply to gods as we know them necessarily apply to Hecatia. She's something we've never seen before.
The most we know about Okina is that she played a big part in the creation Gensokyo. Which doesn't help much since Yukari and Spoiler: Kasen did too, and both of their power, Yukari's especially, have been a huge subject of debate. Okina's only real feats are powering up fairies and creating youkai. That's not to say she's weak, just that we hardly have any information on her.
Spoiler: By the way aren't discussions like this forbidden
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--- Quote from: Drake on November 21, 2017, 04:42:17 AM ---This is less of a powerlevels argument and more talking about who these characters even are, really. No reason to push any brakes unless people actively start trying to argue like idiots about it.
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Exactly. I don't mean to start any arguments about power levels and such. I just wanted to hear thoughts and mix them in with the facts that were already given to us.
Looking at it now, I do feel like the question I brought up is a little silly and very self explanatory if I read in between the lines a little better.
Still, though! I do enjoy seeing what others have to say about these two.
andykhang:
Well, if I have to compare though, Hecatia is like that one OP hidden boss character who just roam the world freely (and bringin misery to the protag), she probably doesn't have an motive for what she does most of a time, but she still scare people to death with just her display, given the right spot. Okina, meanwhile, is the mafia boss, the top dontress of dons, who run thing in the shadow while thing in the above world relied on her influence to further their position, which inturn cement and raise her power and influence over the dog-eat-dog god world she inhabit, she's the type that definitively have a plan in mind for thing she does, like Yukari. But added that to her mafia-like disposition, mean that she done so many thing, and plan many more in the shadow, she won't even count it to you guy.
The reason I compare them differently also is that, essentially, they are different type of person, right down to the type of boss they're. Comparison about their power, in turn, is nearly meaningless, as they're strong in different way, and even exhibit different battlefield most of the time. But I could said they're both top bitches in the world they live.
Tiamat:
From the print works (the manga, etc. Mostly Wild and Horned Hermit, IIRC)
Hecatia is one of the highest levels of power in hell. Even Shikieiki remarks that she was one of its top authorities, and Hecatia's mentioned at various occasions that even if other denizons of hell might wish to cause disaster, they wouldn't dare do it while she was around. We don't know how she compares to Okina, but it is very clear that her power is supposed to be freakishly crazy. I guess most people, me included, have trouble wrapping our heads around that three bodies thing as any more than just a gimmick, but I think when ZUN said she was the most powerful, he figured that had to be the case if she was going to be a goddess of three friggin' worlds at once. Sure, Lunarians are powerful, but Hecatia's a goddess of the moon. And earth. And Otherworlds. So.... yea.
Ignoring Okina's relative power to Hecatia, it's important to note that ZUN intends for Okina to be thought of as insanely powerful too. Blatantly spelled out in her Wild and Horned Hermit chapter where it's revealed her sheer power alone was enough to make Komaru COME TO LIFE as a SIDE EFFECT, something that leaves even Reimu speechless in awe. I'm not sure Reimu's ever been portrayed as being completely utterly speechless at someone's power before. Even when dealing with Lunarians and Yukari, Reimu's always so rebellious and stubborn and "Whatever. I'll just exterminate you.". Heck, she was even that way with Okina throughout most of the chapter constantly telling Okina that if she caused any trouble, she was just going to have to beat her again, until that big reveal at the end, where for the first time in the series (I think?) Reimu seems to consider herself out of her league.
(that's not proof that Okina is necessarily more powerful than Yukari or anyone else by the way. Again, Reimu was just as pompous and prideful towards Okina as she was towards everyone else until she got a glimpse of just how far Okina's true power went, so there's always the chance that others simply haven't shown Reimu their true power either. It's just that, as this is the first time ZUN actually had such power be glimpsed, Okina is clearly meant to be seen as insanely powerful)
So.... yea. They're definitely meant to be seen as ridiculously powerful, even by the standards of the series.