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Labyrinth of Touhou 2 - 17F
DarkAtma:
Taking all passives,equips,subclasses (even unreleased) into account,who would be the most self sufficient character?
Remilia with last fortress? byakuren with mantras?
EDIT:just picked a purple key on the infinite underground mode and my game crashed,should i click ignore next time
Serela:
Byakuren's mantras are pretty crazy and she's got the balanced stats to do solo work. In general, people who can handle buffing themselves are "self-sufficient", e.g. Yuuka- she can easily slot into any party because she'll keep herself at more or less max buffs just by attacking. Although if you mean like to literally solo the game, kinda hard to handle all that in one package, but with huge overleveling in mind- yeah it'd be Byakuren due to stats and mantras.
The game crashing on the infinite corridor is something that needs to get reported- if it's confirmed it's only with the english patch, at least.
Kirin no Sora:
Quick question for you guys: taking Awakening skills into account, who would be considered the worst character in LoT2? I'm aware that before awakening skills, the worst character was Youmu, so I was wondering if that has changed due to said skills.
elminster1372:
@Serela: I can confirm it's the English patch which causes the crashes with Purple Chests. Also, some of the snake-like bosses you fight on 26F cause the game to crash upon they act (I don't remember which ones - two for sure, two don't, and one I don't know because it never got to act :-P ).
@Kirin no Sora: With 56 chars and multiple combinations it'll take a long time to make a reasonable character tier list, I doubt there's an easy "worst" to single out. At most, I have a feeling that some chars just are "not needed" - they're not necessarily bad, but what they do is not exactly something you need to make a room for on your team. An example, IMO, is Minoriko - sure, her regen and heals are good, but there are many more choices for healing in LoT2, and she doesn't even get any kinship boosts whatsoever. Though, it should be noted that Minoriko is by no means "bad" - not in the same sense in which some LoT1 chars were bad in the postgame, at least (looking at you, Remilia/Patchouli).
EDIT: Also, a question of "strategy" about the Endless Corridor. As far as I understood, the corridor in its current state ends at 100F. What happens once you complete 100F? Does it "loop" back to 100F or are you sent out forcibly? I'm asking because I want several of the items I would need dust to buy. Also, are the items you obtain from chests and enemies better as the floor counter increases, or can I just farm 1F to obtain the stuff I need (such as Infinity Gems)?
Serela:
Youmu's awakening is actually pretty dang solid (and her skills max at 10 in Plus), and other bad characters like Utsuho got buffed up quite a bit in Plus and have good awakenings too. Youmu still sucks eggs during the maingame, but she's good in plus.
A lot of attackers went stale due to massive defenses in a -huge- amount of the later bosses, but that's supposed to not be a huge problem in plus either. All the characters I found underwhelming either got overall buffs in Plus (Sakuya, Keine imo) and/or awakenings that made them worth using (Remilia, Youmu). I'd put Kokoro around the bottom of a tier list, but she's not AWFUL, and there's a few characters that don't seem worth using unless you use a bunch of their synergy teammates (Patchouli). Not really sure how Tokiko or Koishi pan out, but they've at least got potential.
I just don't really see what you're supposed to do with Kokoro- her mask effects are only a minor 10% up/down effect and that Fighting Spirit power she really needs is limited to a single attack she has to use repeatedly. Her offensive presence is fine but nothing special and she has nothing beneficial to do as a tank. If you REALLY want that 10% stat change effect she's certainly there, and she'll do OK enough damage, but I can't see her actually being worth a party slot unless you're really trying to min/max something. Her awakening opens up Regen-tanking as a Healer with concentrate spam and Mask of Hope but that neuters her mask ability and takes up her turns, while Kogasa does the same thing a billion times better because she heals way more, and gets to swap your party everywhere instead of just sitting there giving herself a headache by thinking too hard.
Cut by Elminster- thanks, I'll just go report it in the translation thread.
Also, Awakened Minoriko actually isn't bad- it takes some base HP tweaking but she gets some -serious- regen power going (18% with fast turns- and overhealing by 8% up to 150% max hp), and pairing that with her stellar MND (even when it's not focused on) seems like she's got real HP tank potential. By combining her heal and buff into one really fast skill she can take many turns to proc her regen and now-massive party MAG boost, plus it seems like usable support, and she's got basically infinite MP to sub Herbalist or whatever else for buff support... Placebo Effect is wonderfully fast as well and Herb of Awakening's not too slow and is always nice to be regularly casting on attackers.