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Miscellaneous Questions 7 - To Misc or not to Misc
PK:
So i was reading through IaMP profiles and noticed how Alice's says "She is a kind of so called humanoid youkai" (所謂、人妖のたぐいである。), and uses the same 人妖 that was then used in the infamous chapter of FS to describe those humans-turned youkai like the fortune-teller. Should it be changed to "She is a kind of so called jinyou"?
Would it mean Alice (and any human-turned-magician) is explicitly in the same "forbidden class" as the fortune-teller and we can remove that huge "what constitutes a jinyou" speculation thing from the jinyou page?
Edit: rephrasing.
TresserT:
It isn't forbidden for humans to become youkai, it's forbidden for villagers to become youkai. Humans from the vilkage and humans from the outside world (or anywhere else for that matter) have two completely different sets of rules they have to follow. Since we don't know how old Alice is (she could predate Gensokyo) or where she's from (PC98's canon is questionable) it's not too clear whether or not she's in the "forbidden class" or not. It's the same reason Byakuren didn't get a gohei to the head despite being a human turned youkai.
Though I don't know the answer to the other things you were asking.
Drake:
I highly doubt ZUN thought about these (this) characters back then relating to what they mean for the balance of Gensokyo in the same way as he would now, and probably wouldn't have used the term 人妖 until recently (i.e., this development was made and introduced for FS). Remember that the human village barely even existed as a concept back in IaMP. This also means that what constitutes a jinyou is not helped at all by this.
--- Quote from: TresserT on May 24, 2018, 02:14:26 AM ---Since we don't know how old Alice is (she could predate Gensokyo)
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Alice is stated in PMiSS to be a fairly new Magician. Before this she was human, so she's likely not a whole lot older than she appears, if at all.
Clarste:
Just from her non-Japanese name I would assume that Alice was never a villager in the first place though.
PK:
--- Quote from: Drake on May 24, 2018, 02:15:10 AM ---I highly doubt ZUN thought about these (this) characters back then relating to what they mean for the balance of Gensokyo in the same way as he would now, and probably wouldn't have used the term 人妖 until recently (i.e., this development was made and introduced for FS). Remember that the human village barely even existed as a concept back in IaMP. This also means that what constitutes a jinyou is not helped at all by this.
Alice is stated in PMiSS to be a fairly new Magician. Before this she was human, so she's likely not a whole lot older than she appears, if at all.
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Well, yes. But "jinyou" seems more the definition of a class of youkai than a crime thing, no? The same japanese term is also used in Remilia's PMiSS article (translated as half-human half-youkai this time), and the village was already a thing at that point, even without defined rules.
Maybe i shouldn't have called it a forbidden class (my point wasn't even about Alice breaking the balance), but by definition, with or without Gensokyo's rules, a human that becomes a youkai would still be a jinyou, even if they did it 1000 years ago in China and Reimu can't legally do shit about it.
What i am saying is that the rules coming later don't make magicians like Alice and Byakuren non-jinyou, just jinyou not subject to the rules.