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Metroid discussion thread
OverlordChirei:
This game is definitely taking up Nintendo's attempt to "Dark Souls" the stuff they have, for better or worse. Gammas do over 100 damage to Samus WITH the (~24%?) damage reduction on the Varia Suit, and this isn't even anywhere close to the end of the game.
I've 100%'ed it already but I can definitely say this is probably the least speedrun-friendly Metroid yet. It seems they cut out most conventional speedrun strats in favor of atmosphere and story, which they definitely got the equivalent trade for. The price that was paid is a very straightforward progression, no sequence breaks that I know of (I have heard of like two skippable items, but this doesn't let you go to areas much earlier since they are locked behind metroid kills), the most nerfed walljump I have ever seen, and bomb jumping to stuff you shouldn't have access always seems to just be missiles rather than something like unintended progression or an early item.
EDIT: It seems 0% runs are possible, but this doesn't actually change how the game is played, since base upgrades do not add to percent. So it is basically Fusion with a bit of its own charm rather than the standard.
Kilgamayan:
I have also since 100%ed the game and boy howdy does it seem like a total bitch to speedrun it. OTOH GDQs always end with 3-5 hours of an RPG so it's not like long runs are unheard of (sup FF7), even in prime time slots. I'd love to see this at SGDQ 2018, or even AGDQ 2018 if we have a repeat of the BotW/Orcastraw situation.
OverlordChirei:
--- Quote from: Kilgamayan on September 30, 2017, 03:32:33 PM ---I have also since 100%ed the game and boy howdy does it seem like a total bitch to speedrun it. OTOH GDQs always end with 3-5 hours of an RPG so it's not like long runs are unheard of (sup FF7), even in prime time slots. I'd love to see this at SGDQ 2018, or even AGDQ 2018 if we have a repeat of the BotW/Orcastraw situation.
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I think some people have gotten it down to 2 hours, I'm just curious if it'll be entertaining to watch. So far the biggest deviator I know of is that Spoiler: the game is completable without Space Jump.
dosboot:
I've been playing a lot of Super Metroid lately. I thought about attempting a challenge run or speedrun, but currently I'm having the most fun learning and using those sorts of advanced tricks in "regular" runs. Nothing is better than gratuitous use of mockball all day every day. I still can't get the hang of continuous wall jumps along a single wall, still need more practice I guess. I'm more confident against Phantoon and Ridley than ever now though. It's been a while since I felt like "let's just continuously clear the game over and over back-to-back", and it feels great to get into those old grooves.
Random observation(?): Super Metroid sure does have the largest number of "friendly" critters in a Metroid game. Either that or perhaps I'm just paying more attention in this particular game. The Etecoons and Dachoras come from this game obviously, and in Maridia you've got that industrious Sand Driller robot leading to the Spring ball, and the family of Turtles in one of the large underwater rooms. I'm not sure if I should include the R2-D2-like worker robots in this list or not, since they do shoot projectiles periodically. Still they aren't overtly aggressive or hostile to the touch.
As an aside, it does make me wonder about the possibilities for Metroid Prime 4. It'd be interesting to see a different balance of hostile and non-hostile life on whatever planet we'll be exploring.
dosboot:
This was interesting to watch: Zoasty recently tied the world record for Super Metroid with a time 41:33 and posted a side-by-side comparison with commentary. What's amazing is how incredible close the runs are, about a single frame different in the end. In the video, you get to watch them start out in near perfect sync, then diverge (and later reconverge) as they perform slightly different strats, make mistakes and get different boss encounters, tricks, etc..
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7aGy-CrcV1c