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--- Quote from: Z_A on October 05, 2018, 10:59:30 AM ---This is nice, a film score-like thingie, I only think that the main rhythm pattern lasts too long and it would be best to introduce the change sooner. Putting that aside, a rather high-quality work. --- End quote --- Thanks! I agree, that rhythm lasts too long, but I was lazy, and it's usually how you artificially lengthen a piece in the first place (lol). --- Quote from: Z_A on October 05, 2018, 10:59:30 AM ---You probably should, because of copyright issues, though I don't think ZUN will find out any time soon. --- End quote --- Copyright is less of an issue here, as ZUN doesn't really care as long as I'm not making money off of it in digital downloads or something (like heck will I being doing that anytime soon anyway). I'm not claiming these tracks to be mine, as they're explicitly titled "arrangements", though maybe some more crediting would be good. My concern really was the people at MotK not knowing what was here lol. --- Quote from: Z_A on October 05, 2018, 10:59:30 AM ---Also, it's been bothering me for a while, so: is Akiyama Uni okay with using his works just like ZUN? Since, uh, they are different people and TasoFro and Team Shanghai Alice are different organizations, and maybe have a different opinion about it... --- End quote --- Given that people arrange the fighting game soundtracks a decent bit, I'd assume U2 is just as fine about it as ZUN is. --- Quote from: Z_A on October 05, 2018, 10:59:30 AM ---I started thinking about it as well, so here's what I figured: it's probably not really about which is "better" or which is "worse", but maybe something about finding "undiscovered potential" in a song? For example, Complete Darkness is already amazing as it is, and it has fully discovered its potential, so an arrangement is really out of question, and even though it's chiptune-like, the best that can be done is changing the instruments only a little, while staying as close to the original as possible. Flowering Night (from Phantasmagoria) does indeed have some potential, but most of it has already been discovered in the most popular arrangements, the Akiyama's version from SWR and in the Night of Nights, so like I said, it requires an exceptionally great idea to make a proper arrangement. The idea, as in finding something about the song that, when brought forth in an arrangement, would illuminate it from a different angle, and make it sparkle with fresh meanings like a new thing (wow... such metaphors...). Like what I tried to do with Yuuka's theme: IMO, it has great potential as a rock piece, that noone else hears (well... at least some people don't), and so I tried to show it from that perspective. I think I figured at least some of the problems with my arrangement, so I'll post a fixed version eventually, but that's a thing to be discussed in my thread, not yours =P most of your arrangements do have this "fresh meaning", so yeah, great job! --- End quote --- Mm yeah it's really about that different angle. I do often consider the undiscovered potential in certain pieces though, such as hearing a piece and thinking it'd sound better in a different genre (like you with Yuuka's theme) or how a certain part would've sounded better with a different instrument, sparking a whole new arrangement, etc. Often this undiscovered potential can come entirely from viewing it in an completely new angle (hence why I'm particularly fond of "Loose Arrangement #1", among others) and sometimes you can just throw it in somewhere and realise it works nicely with whatever you're doing. My personal ideology is to arrange for the sake of arranging, and making something unique (ish). |
| GenericArrangements:
So this is a very weird one. Touhou Arrangement #9: LINK It's based on this one minigame from a rhythm game so it's entirely based around call and response ideas. Try tapping to the rhythm actually. The original melodies are particularly prominent in certain sections at least. Had to do that otherwise it'd just be a complete knock-off anyway. Also the two lead instruments should make it somewhat obvious what piece it's an arrangement of. I've been researching and experimenting quite a bit with mixing recently. In particular, I've been looking at stuff related with EQ and making mixes sound clearer (and good through small speakers, though that really hasn't been working out). It's interesting stuff, but really it's also complicated and confuses me a lot, and I'm still not very good at making certain things sound comfortable. I have no real plans for anything right now, but with an abundance of time I can make things to a higher standard (maybe). |
| GenericArrangements:
Once again, I arrive to throw notes at the wall. For the last update to his thread for this year, I've rushed something last minute once again, and made a remastered version of an older arrangement of mine. A Loose Arrangement #3 - Remastered: LINK ...I guess it's more of a "remake". I've been improving a lot in my mixing and arranging and have wanted to take another shot at this one for quite a long time now. Didn't expect myself to rush it so much though lol. I've spent the last two hours repeatedly exporting it to make sure it sounded nice for the upload. Part of it is still... yeah, but at least it's more comfortable and I guess more professional than my older mixes. The arrangement itself had much room for improvement, as it was very empty originally. The original mix also made everything incredibly quiet too (a result of a bad synthesiser). Hopefully all of that stuff has been improved. I always give myself plans for long projects and while I might be able to do one next year, nothing is guaranteed. I can't even get myself to post anywhere else, haha. It'd be fun to be a prominent music circle in the western Touhou fandom, so maybe if I can throw myself out there more I could get somewhere with that. |
| Z_A:
--- Quote ---Also the two lead instruments should make it somewhat obvious what piece it's an arrangement of. --- End quote --- Ohhh. I see what you did there, mister. Good one. Although I doubt many people here would easily recognize the sound of koto. --- Quote ---I've been looking at stuff related with EQ and making mixes sound clearer (and good through small speakers, though that really hasn't been working out). It's interesting stuff, but really it's also complicated and confuses me a lot, and I'm still not very good at making certain things sound comfortable. --- End quote --- EQ is nice, just be careful and don't overdo it. In case you're still using sf2 like I do, it's very easy to make the sound even worse and more unnatural than it already is. --- Quote ---Try tapping to the rhythm actually. --- End quote --- Tried it, didn't like it. The rhythm is very simple. Sorry. It's a nice arrangement in general, however, and in your own style. --- Quote ---For the last update to his thread for this year --- End quote --- I'm kinda looking forward to your first post of the next year on the 5th of January =P --- Quote ---I've spent the last two hours repeatedly exporting it to make sure it sounded nice for the upload. --- End quote --- Yeah, that happens occasionally. If it's really bad, try reducing the resample rate - that helped me a few times. --- Quote ---Hopefully all of that stuff has been improved. --- End quote --- Most certainly it has. I think you are paying much more attention to the balance between instruments volume now, in particular. I like your drums very much. We could probably make a great arrangers duo =3 wanna try making a collaboration or something? Also, I'd be a bit happier if you didn't ignore my PMs. :smokedcheese: --- Quote ---I can't even get myself to post anywhere else, haha. It'd be fun to be a prominent music circle in the western Touhou fandom, so maybe if I can throw myself out there more I could get somewhere with that. --- End quote --- Please tell me if you decide something, because I as well would like to promote my works a bit more, as this forum is cool and everything, but a bit too quiet, especially in regards to music feedback >_< |
| GenericArrangements:
--- Quote from: Z_A on December 05, 2018, 03:11:11 PM ---Although I doubt many people here would easily recognize the sound of koto. --- End quote --- I think the biwa is less recognisable. --- Quote from: Z_A on December 05, 2018, 03:11:11 PM ---EQ is nice, just be careful and don't overdo it. In case you're still using sf2 like I do, it's very easy to make the sound even worse and more unnatural than it already is. --- End quote --- Yeah it's an unfortunate side-effect of EQ, though it can actually be used like that intentionally. I read that apparently it's normal for the instrument to stop sounding good on its own after applying the correct amount of EQ, it's just that it will work better in the mix. That's probably for people who spend days working on the mix though, and I'm lazy, haha. --- Quote from: Z_A on December 05, 2018, 03:11:11 PM ---I'm kinda looking forward to your first post of the next year on the 5th of January =P --- End quote --- Dunno if it'll be anything particularly exciting. --- Quote from: Z_A on December 05, 2018, 03:11:11 PM ---Yeah, that happens occasionally. If it's really bad, try reducing the resample rate - that helped me a few times. --- End quote --- Actually my resample rate is always abysmally low, which I figured was the cause, though maybe it is the contrary. --- Quote from: Z_A on December 05, 2018, 03:11:11 PM ---Most certainly it has. I think you are paying much more attention to the balance between instruments volume now, in particular. --- End quote --- Woot! --- Quote from: Z_A on December 05, 2018, 03:11:11 PM ---I like your drums very much. We could probably make a great arrangers duo =3 wanna try making a collaboration or something? --- End quote --- That'd be something interesting and fun to do! Never worked on a collaboration before though. --- Quote from: Z_A on December 05, 2018, 03:11:11 PM ---Also, I'd be a bit happier if you didn't ignore my PMs. :smokedcheese: --- End quote --- aaah sorry! It's just that usually I don't have much to add... I read them, but often don't know what else to say (that or sometimes I procrastinate and never get around to it. I also don't check this site regularly so PMs going completely over my head sound likely). --- Quote from: Z_A on December 05, 2018, 03:11:11 PM ---Please tell me if you decide something, because I as well would like to promote my works a bit more, as this forum is cool and everything, but a bit too quiet, especially in regards to music feedback >_< --- End quote --- Was planning on it! Still no idea where to go though... And yeah, I don't think the Art Atelier has been in its heyday for a long while now. |
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