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| Mеа:
UFO's extra stage theme is a really fun one, that theme. Your arrangement of it is already showing good improvements over your previous work, so good job! The first little section especially showed some new thought and personal ideas that added life. It does help that the original itself is very lively. This next part is going to be a little wandering of words about left hand stuff in general. You mentioned something about your use of "rather standard left hand movements", meaning you do realize your trappings of the theme to this typical figuration. Maybe you actually do feel trapped and don't really know how to take it further from there? I can't speak for you, but I myself did previously was (and still sometimes kind of am) stuck on how to make left hand parts interesting. So I'm going to talk about my idea of what the role of the left hand is for a bit. You should know that music is generally thought to be constructed by three significant aspects: melody, harmony, and rhythm. The right hand typically deals with the melody. This leaves the bulk of the work of handling the harmony and rhythm to the left hand. While certainly the "standard left hand movements" that you describe does its job of defining the harmony and a rhythm well enough, it's certainly not all that could possibly be expressed, what could be missing? My view is that the left hand plays a big role in defining another very important aspect of music that isn't the above three, which is the texture of a passage. It's kind of a vague term, to describe how a certain passage 'feels'. The "standard left hand movements" is essentially an attempt at recreating the long harmonies that other instruments can play and hold out that the piano can't. I would describe its texture as 'rocky', since you rock back and forth between the bass note 1 and the 1,3 an octave above. While it works perfectly fine for a transcription attempting to capture the long harmonies of the bass instrument in the original piece, when stepping forward to express the theme in your own words, this question comes to mind: does this texture fit the theme? Or in other words, does this ('rocky') texture fit this theme about space/romance? When I think of space I think of large expanses, and things sweet and viscous of romance. Since this is purely an aesthetics question, I don't expect you or anyone to answer this question the same nor necessarily to even have to consider it for simple things, but it's certainly a thought to keep in mind as a tool for expression should you choose to seek it, express it, utilize it in the future. And the thing is, you already have the right idea of how to do this, as can be seen in those first couple measures. It's bouncy and playful, which captures both Kogasa and Nue's mischievous natures. Something overused need not necessarily be trite if it's used with purpose. Just something to tickle your thoughts about. |
| GenericArrangements:
--- Quote from: Mеа on June 22, 2017, 11:52:00 AM ---<snip> --- End quote --- I feel terrible for not replying to this sooner. I try not to be too analytical concerning representation of elements outside of the original song's intended purpose and style, although matching atmosphere with the title makes a lot of sense. It's more difficult to achieve space or romance feels in such a quirky, upbeat song, but it's definitely something for me to think about for later sheets. Thanks a lot (again)! Also I have something completely different to show: Loose Touhou Arrangements: - Arrangement #1: LINK This is something I thought would be fun to do. I mentioned a while ago that I can in fact mix full songs. Here's some short amount of proof, although it's very minimalist in style. I haven't yet stated which Touhou song this is, because I feel it would be more fun that way. Some of these will probably be more obvious than others. I might try to be consistent with posting these (unlike sheets lol), so that's likely every Sunday, unless I don't have time or don't have good ideas. Also all links will be on SoundCloud. A bit of a pain because SoundCloud seems to have a quality problem, which forces me to upload extremely high quality files in exchange for mediocre content. It mainly affects reverb and unpitched percussion more than anything. |
| Z_A:
Well, I never really expected that it would be so hard to make a comment. Still, I probably should try and say something, as there are really not enough active members in this section. First of all, I wouldn't call this composition minimalistic in any way. It seems influenced by folk music, I instantly remembered something like that: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XrcOf169KzI, even though I heard it a very long time ago. It also resembles the pre-battle themes from SWR, needless to say, they are quite folkish as well. I am not a big fan of folk music, so nothing more to say here. Next, it feels like some notes sound a bit off between 0:15 and 0:17. I don't think I can explain it properly. This part is just different than the rest of the composition, so it stands out. Was that intentional? It's also worth noting that if this composition was rendered in the 8-bit fashion and maybe made a bit faster, it would resemble a great soundtrack from those times. I just imagined how that might sound. Also, I think that I have a clue about what it is based upon. Anyway, it's quite a nice tune, calm and serene. Not many Touhou songs are like that. |
| GenericArrangements:
--- Quote from: Z_A on July 03, 2017, 12:44:54 AM ---First of all, I wouldn't call this composition minimalistic in any way. It seems influenced by folk music, I instantly remembered something like that: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XrcOf169KzI, even though I heard it a very long time ago. It also resembles the pre-battle themes from SWR, needless to say, they are quite folkish as well. I am not a big fan of folk music, so nothing more to say here. --- End quote --- I just meant there's just not much to it. I don't really know the name of this style, but I just happen to know instruments and techniques. --- Quote from: Z_A on July 03, 2017, 12:44:54 AM ---Next, it feels like some notes sound a bit off between 0:15 and 0:17. I don't think I can explain it properly. This part is just different than the rest of the composition, so it stands out. Was that intentional? --- End quote --- It's the Db-Eb-F chord progression. Just a remnant of the original song, that I couldn't quite remove without over-abusing the subdominant and dominant chords more. --- Quote from: Z_A on July 03, 2017, 12:44:54 AM ---It's also worth noting that if this composition was rendered in the 8-bit fashion and maybe made a bit faster, it would resemble a great soundtrack from those times. I just imagined how that might sound. Also, I think that I have a clue about what it is based upon. --- End quote --- I've been making quite a bit of chiptune recently, so I guess that might've influenced it a bit. I might try this suggestion because I can. --- Quote from: Z_A on July 03, 2017, 12:44:54 AM ---Anyway, it's quite a nice tune, calm and serene. Not many Touhou songs are like that. --- End quote --- That comes naturally due to the purposes of Touhou songs. There generally aren't reasons to have songs of this style, so Touhou has very minimal amounts of them. Shame because I really like this style. Thanks. Also throughout, I noticed you continually called this a composition, even though I literally copy-pasted notes from a Touhou song, just altered heavily. I get that the arrangement is so far off the original it could be confused for one though. This is unless I've confused the definition of a "composition". |
| Z_A:
--- Quote ---I just meant there's just not much to it. --- End quote --- Like I said, it resembles SWR pre-battle themes (most of them are basically the same theme though, with slight changes to instruments and effects). They are about the same length as yours as well. Depending on what purpose the composition serves, it can be short or long, complex or really simple. There are even songs used for advertisements, that are even more minimalistic, but that fits their purpose, and they are still complete music pieces as they are. So... where would you imagine your song to be played? And does it still feel minimalistic within that context? --- Quote ---I've been making quite a bit of chiptune recently --- End quote --- Wow, I've always wondered what kind of people do that, and what is the actual process of creating a chiptune. I'd like to hear more about it. --- Quote ---That comes naturally due to the purposes of Touhou songs. --- End quote --- True. Some ending compositions are like that. --- Quote ---Also throughout, I noticed you continually called this a composition, even though I literally copy-pasted notes from a Touhou song, just altered heavily. I get that the arrangement is so far off the original it could be confused for one though --- End quote --- I just don't like calling music without actual vocals "songs", so I chose that word. Either way, you came up with an idea, you made the arrangement, and you finalized it. So, no reason to not call it a composition, I guess. Even if it's an arrangement. |
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