~Hakurei Shrine~ > Help Me, Eirin!
弹幕音乐绘 ～风雷幻奏曲～(Barrage Musical ～A Fantasy of Tempest～)(Ultra Mode Added)
Despatche:
Funny, I can just as easily say you completely missed the point of mine. Red flag: odd comment suggesting that I might be trying to defend Lenen's difficulty "honor" or whatever.
I'm just gonna come out and say it: if you think "adding more bullets and increasing the speed" is something like pointlessly raising the health of an enemy in an RPG, you're very wrong. "adding more bullets and increasing the speed" (and especially, increasing the rate at which enemies fire) usually completely change how the pattern works, unless you're like 14 and none of your patterns even move across the screen properly.
Normal to Hard is not the design jump you think it is. You may want to go replay some Touhou. The design jump is usually incredibly minor, is not limited to Normal to Hard, and does not necessarily apply when a card's name is changed. This game's Ultra actually is a design jump because it was made after the fact for that express purpose, and there are even multiple points in the existing difficulties that actually are design jumps.
CrestedPeak9:
Oh boy. You come back and instantly start arguing with people about Jo'on and then this.
I'd love to see you justify AbEx Prime Minister in Black Robes which is quite literally impossible.
JynX absolutely did not just get away with bullshit impossible patterns in the later games just because of flashbombs. EMS is an excellent example of this.
Not to mention he had no issue with trying to wall you in EE AbEx's second survival spell.
And if you really think making bullets go faster changes the whole pattern, you clearly haven't attempted to make your own patterns.
That doesn't excuse the incredibly dumb patterns in this game's Ultra that basically require the use of autododge.
TresserT:
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I don't know what you're trying to prove here. I didn't say increasing bullet density or speed were pointless. But you dodge "Kuzuki Clear Water" the same way you dodge "Yamato Torus". In contrast, look at the differences between "Kuzuki Clear Water" and "Misayama Hunting Shrine Ritual". They're very different patterns. If you want something more subtle, you can compare "Storm on Mt. Ooe (Normal)", "Wind Blowing Down from Mt. Ooe (Hard)", and "Wind Blowing Down from Mt. Ooe (Lunatic)". From Normal to Hard completely changes how the pattern works, whereas from Hard to Lunatic does not.
I know this isn't exclusive to Normal/Hard. There are often spells that change from Hard to Lunatic too. But that's kind of beside the point, as I was just using it as an example to describe the difference between this game's Lunatic and Ultra. Since these changes most commonly occur between Normal and Hard I feel like most people would understand what I'm saying.
I said this because touhou has "Ultra Mode" too in the form of fan patches, which Len'en ABEX is comparable to. However, touhou Ultra Mode (and Len'en ABEX) are just more and faster bullets. Whereas this game's Ultra completely changes the way several patterns work. They add new bullet types that weren't there before, or change the way the bullets spawn. A perfect example being the final spell in the game. The difference between this game's Lunatic and Ultra is closer to the difference between "Misayama Hunting Shrine Ritual" vs "Kuzuki Clear Water" than the difference between "Kuzuki Clear Water" vs "Yamato Torus" that most Ultras resemble.
Secondly, I didn't say anything about you defending len'ens honor or anything like that. I quoted you; you said, "Make fun of Tasouken and Reiretsuden ABEX, but leave Mugenri ABEX alone. That stage is legit, and is proof that ABEX was never meant to be a joke", and I responded by saying "I'm not making fun of Len'en ABEX. Whether it's a joke or not has nothing to do with what I'm talking about."
So really, I'm not sure what you're going on about at this point.
Despatche:
Yeah, no. You made all these weird claims and are now trying to say you didn't. You also don't seem to have a whole lot of knowledge on difficulty differences, and you keep trying to say totally different things are the same and basically identical things are completely different. I can't even begin to explain this, sorry.
--- Quote from: CrestedPeak9 on April 25, 2018, 04:42:13 AM ---Oh boy. You come back and instantly start arguing with people about Jo'on and then this.
I'd love to see you justify AbEx Prime Minister in Black Robes which is quite literally impossible.
JynX absolutely did not just get away with bullshit impossible patterns in the later games just because of flashbombs. EMS is an excellent example of this.
Not to mention he had no issue with trying to wall you in EE AbEx's second survival spell.
And if you really think making bullets go faster changes the whole pattern, you clearly haven't attempted to make your own patterns.
That doesn't excuse the incredibly dumb patterns in this game's Ultra that basically require the use of autododge.
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Goodness, just who are you? You wanna accuse me of being argumentative or contrarian or whatever yet you insist on posting blatantly false information. If you're trying to troll or whatever, you're not doing a very good job.
I'm just gonna ignore that jab about a post you did not read in a conversation you were not part of; it wasn't about some Touhou character, that's all I can tell you. I literally just said EMS and RMI were bullshit, because they are. Yes he did, and EMS is an excellent example of why. I don't think you know what a wall is, that they're very common in this genre, and that they're not unfair unless there's no way to circumvent them (walls are player-caused); no, I don't care about your personal definition of "unfair", because it's wrong. I'm just gonna say the same right back. I'm also just gonna laugh at your futile attempt to criticize Barrage Musical.
I genuinely don't think you actually play these games and you're just making stuff up wholesale. People tell me I do this, which is weird because if I'm not reading something about these games, I'm playing them or doing schoolwork or something. But now I'm starting to understand what they mean, because I'm seeing it in you. It is stunning, and it is scary, and I apologize to anyone I've misled over the years. Not much of an apology, but none of them are ever gonna read this post anyway.
☆ Kana ☆:
Dude, just stop. All you're really achieving at this point is annoying the crap out of people. There's literally no need to go after people for expressing opinions that harm nobody, and you're creating drama that could have easily been avoided.