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D-T:
ZUN always comes up with more interesting character writing than the fandom does anyway, so while it's not healthy for the popularity of the series I always like seeing fan depictions and relationships get written out.

the old guy:
Oops i should have explained what i meant. Well, heres a post by Iced Fairy that explains what i was talking about, but the short of it is that SoPM basically destroyed alot of people's conceptions of certain characters (Like, as mentioned, Nitori.), and set up a "Religious War" that ALOT of people were excepting to be something other than a overly dramatic popularity contest. Which HM was (IMHO that was a good thing). That, and a broken mess of an game. Oh and then Kancolle(or as its better know as, Japanese Empire Propaganda But With Cute Ship Girls) happened.

Aaaaand rereading the post that i got this from i JUST realized that i massively over exaggerated things by saying that it "Almost destroyed the fandom." really, what it really did was make it smaller and make the Taoists, Buddhists, and Chireidens alot less popular. Sorry.

So really, it didn't kill fandom, more that it caused a giant backlash towards how certain characters were seen and made them almost unusable in the fandom (Which is more the fandoms fault, honestly).

--- Quote from: N-Forza on March 17, 2017, 02:13:21 AM ---Nitori is a bit more complex but I don't think her "shift" was nearly as dramatic as Youmu from PCB/IaMP into IN.

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What character shift are you talking about? Youmoo's behavior in IaMP seemed pretty consistent to her later appearances for me.

martelefort:
Well, after reading yours and Iced Fairy's post, i can't help but blame the fandom, they brought it upon themselves, honestly. I've read the scenario from both MoF and SA and compared it to SoPM, and nothing really shocked me. It was the fandom's fault to misinterpret things and try to deeply dig into a character's personnality with only as much as an ingame dialogue. If i take MoF's depiction of Nitori, as en example, it only says she's a shy geek that change her manner of speech and run away from humans, i don't see how she couldn't be that nasty overall after you get to know her.

Not to mention, SoPM is supposed to be from the point of view of a human villager, who's likely biased towards humans and dislikes youkai ( refers to how humans like Reimu and Marisa are listed under " heroic legends " ).

Anyway i hope i'm not too off topic and that i didn't misinterpret things either. Even though i'v read a ton of works, i'm not in Touhou since very long so i guess you guys know about it well more than I do, but i can't help but think that the fandom was just pissed that their ideal interpretation was'nt was Zun planned for the characters.

N-Forza:

--- Quote from: the old guy on March 17, 2017, 06:07:41 AM ---What character shift are you talking about? Youmoo's behavior in IaMP seemed pretty consistent to her later appearances for me.

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It seemed consistent to me as well, although I've seen more than a few people note how the edge of her "I WILL CUT YOU" fixation was gradually dulled by things like having a load of snow dumped on her in CoLA and being scared by other phantoms and bad horror stories.

And Iced Fairy's post is a lot more recent than I imagined it would be. Maybe it's just because I have the privilege of seeing the Japanese fanbase that it's solely what I focus on (with a few exceptions since I started my new circle), but plenty of people seem to like the later games' setting adjustments just fine. Kokoro in particular helped make Miko more popular (and Byakuren to a lesser extent). And whether because of inertia or not, a lot of people ignore certain points (like Momiji not liking Aya in canon) to do what they want to do and no one pitches a fit or whatever. The SDM crew is still overwhelmingly popular but if anything is to blame it's not necessarily ZUN futzing with recent canon.

ToyoRai:
Honestly, I am happy to learn anything about the characters, especially the new ones. It is bit too early for a compendium and the mangas aren't really helping the lesser characters, so I take what I get.

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